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Install media for 8.3 for IA64?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Anyone have this hanging around? Sampsa

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Wildcards using MULTINET FTP server, Linux client?

by bqt＠softjar.se

Good points! As one additional thing to consider, I just remembered that the ftp protocol don't really expect to deal with wildcards. mget and friends actually do a DIR, and then applies the command to every file listed by the initial DIR. I can't remember if any real wildcarding is allowed at all in ftp. I should know once I've implemented my ftp for RSX. (It's probably a couple of weeks away.) Johnny On 2011-10-21 18.31, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: In ftp, there are separate commands for wildcard operation -- for example "mget" instead of "get" and "mdelete" instead of "rm". That probably accounts for both issues. It may also be that ; gives trouble because it's a Unix shell character. If so, you could use the TOPS-20 style version delimiter "." -- that works on VMS also. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:05 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Wildcards using MULTINET FTP server, Linux client? On 2011-10-21 17.18, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'm trying to do a rm *.*;* in an FTP script and get this error: 550-Failed to delete directory DKA0:[ARCSIGHT]*^.log^;*.dir; 550 The file specification must contain a name, type and version number (even if wildcarded). How do I get rid of those stupid ^'s? I'd be more worried about where the ".dir;" at the end comes from...? Johnny

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Wildcards using MULTINET FTP server, Linux client?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

In ftp, there are separate commands for wildcard operation -- for example "mget" instead of "get" and "mdelete" instead of "rm". That probably accounts for both issues. It may also be that ; gives trouble because it's a Unix shell character. If so, you could use the TOPS-20 style version delimiter "." -- that works on VMS also. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:05 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Wildcards using MULTINET FTP server, Linux client? On 2011-10-21 17.18, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'm trying to do a rm *.*;* in an FTP script and get this error: 550-Failed to delete directory DKA0:[ARCSIGHT]*^.log^;*.dir; 550 The file specification must contain a name, type and version number (even if wildcarded). How do I get rid of those stupid ^'s? I'd be more worried about where the ".dir;" at the end comes from...? Johnny

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Wildcards using MULTINET FTP server, Linux client?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2011-10-21 17.18, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'm trying to do a rm *.*;* in an FTP script and get this error: 550-Failed to delete directory DKA0:[ARCSIGHT]*^.log^;*.dir; 550 The file specification must contain a name, type and version number (even if wildcarded). How do I get rid of those stupid ^'s? I'd be more worried about where the ".dir;" at the end comes from...? Johnny

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Wildcards using MULTINET FTP server, Linux client?

by sampsa＠mac.com

I'm trying to do a rm *.*;* in an FTP script and get this error: 550-Failed to delete directory DKA0:[ARCSIGHT]*^.log^;*.dir; 550 The file specification must contain a name, type and version number (even if wildcarded). How do I get rid of those stupid ^'s? Sampsa

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Weird SSH issue

by sampsa＠mac.com

Sorry if I upset people, just thought I'd give you guys a first pop at this stuff in case someone needed a piece or two of equipment. I will be posting the auctions on comp.os.vms of course. Again, no offence was intended and it was not a commercial operation, just a clear out of old stuff. Sampsa On 16 Oct 2011, at 23:50, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Try a newsgroup instead, comp.os.vms or comp.sys.dec. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Johnny Billquist Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Weird SSH issue Verzonden: 17 oktober 2011 00:46 Please don't. The HECnet list is not a forum for announcing stuff for sale. Johnny On 2011-10-16 20.39, Sampsa Laine wrote: So I'm guessing there's no takers for any of this stuff? Ebay it is - if no one minds, I'll list the listing numbers here once done. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:19, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sampsa Laine<sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I keep adding keys to my [.SSH2]AUHTHORIZATION. Some work, some don't is there something specific you need to do to make it all work? Sampsa How is the service launched? On Linux (most sane distributions) there is an rc script who launches the opensshd service. Of course this depends. All I know about VMS is that it has the staying power of a herd of elephants. Which reminds me, why is there a trash can peering into your flat and taking notes? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Weird SSH issue

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Try a newsgroup instead, comp.os.vms or comp.sys.dec. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Johnny Billquist Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Weird SSH issue Verzonden: 17 oktober 2011 00:46 Please don't. The HECnet list is not a forum for announcing stuff for sale. Johnny On 2011-10-16 20.39, Sampsa Laine wrote: So I'm guessing there's no takers for any of this stuff? Ebay it is - if no one minds, I'll list the listing numbers here once done. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:19, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sampsa Laine<sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I keep adding keys to my [.SSH2]AUHTHORIZATION. Some work, some don't is there something specific you need to do to make it all work? Sampsa How is the service launched? On Linux (most sane distributions) there is an rc script who launches the opensshd service. Of course this depends. All I know about VMS is that it has the staying power of a herd of elephants. Which reminds me, why is there a trash can peering into your flat and taking notes? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Weird SSH issue

by bqt＠softjar.se

Please don't. The HECnet list is not a forum for announcing stuff for sale. Johnny On 2011-10-16 20.39, Sampsa Laine wrote: So I'm guessing there's no takers for any of this stuff? Ebay it is - if no one minds, I'll list the listing numbers here once done. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:19, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sampsa Laine<sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I keep adding keys to my [.SSH2]AUHTHORIZATION. Some work, some don't is there something specific you need to do to make it all work? Sampsa How is the service launched? On Linux (most sane distributions) there is an rc script who launches the opensshd service. Of course this depends. All I know about VMS is that it has the staying power of a herd of elephants. Which reminds me, why is there a trash can peering into your flat and taking notes? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Weird SSH issue

by sampsa＠mac.com

Never really resolved the SSH thing. Might move all my machines to MULTINET anyway, it seems a better stack overall. Sampsa On 16 Oct 2011, at 19:41, Gregg Levine wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So I'm guessing there's no takers for any of this stuff? Ebay it is - if no one minds, I'll list the listing numbers here once done. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:19, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I keep adding keys to my [.SSH2]AUHTHORIZATION. Some work, some don't is there something specific you need to do to make it all work? Sampsa How is the service launched? On Linux (most sane distributions) there is an rc script who launches the opensshd service. Of course this depends. All I know about VMS is that it has the staying power of a herd of elephants. Which reminds me, why is there a trash can peering into your flat and taking notes? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." Hello! What "stuff"? Do you mean your boot sale stuff? What finally happened regarding the SSH issue? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Weird SSH issue

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: And there I go replying to the wrong damn message, it was meant to be about the car boot sale of DEC Gear :) Sampsa On 16 Oct 2011, at 19:39, Sampsa Laine wrote: So I'm guessing there's no takers for any of this stuff? Ebay it is - if no one minds, I'll list the listing numbers here once done. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:19, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I keep adding keys to my [.SSH2]AUHTHORIZATION. Some work, some don't is there something specific you need to do to make it all work? Sampsa How is the service launched? On Linux (most sane distributions) there is an rc script who launches the opensshd service. Of course this depends. All I know about VMS is that it has the staying power of a herd of elephants. Which reminds me, why is there a trash can peering into your flat and taking notes? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." Hello! It happens. Now there are two trashcans doing that. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Weird SSH issue

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So I'm guessing there's no takers for any of this stuff? Ebay it is - if no one minds, I'll list the listing numbers here once done. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:19, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I keep adding keys to my [.SSH2]AUHTHORIZATION. Some work, some don't is there something specific you need to do to make it all work? Sampsa How is the service launched? On Linux (most sane distributions) there is an rc script who launches the opensshd service. Of course this depends. All I know about VMS is that it has the staying power of a herd of elephants. Which reminds me, why is there a trash can peering into your flat and taking notes? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." Hello! What "stuff"? Do you mean your boot sale stuff? What finally happened regarding the SSH issue? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Weird SSH issue

by sampsa＠mac.com

And there I go replying to the wrong damn message, it was meant to be about the car boot sale of DEC Gear :) Sampsa On 16 Oct 2011, at 19:39, Sampsa Laine wrote: So I'm guessing there's no takers for any of this stuff? Ebay it is - if no one minds, I'll list the listing numbers here once done. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:19, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I keep adding keys to my [.SSH2]AUHTHORIZATION. Some work, some don't is there something specific you need to do to make it all work? Sampsa How is the service launched? On Linux (most sane distributions) there is an rc script who launches the opensshd service. Of course this depends. All I know about VMS is that it has the staying power of a herd of elephants. Which reminds me, why is there a trash can peering into your flat and taking notes? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Weird SSH issue

by sampsa＠mac.com

So I'm guessing there's no takers for any of this stuff? Ebay it is - if no one minds, I'll list the listing numbers here once done. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:19, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I keep adding keys to my [.SSH2]AUHTHORIZATION. Some work, some don't is there something specific you need to do to make it all work? Sampsa How is the service launched? On Linux (most sane distributions) there is an rc script who launches the opensshd service. Of course this depends. All I know about VMS is that it has the staying power of a herd of elephants. Which reminds me, why is there a trash can peering into your flat and taking notes? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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TX88/DLT 4000 use in VMS

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

On 15.10.2011 22:23, Mark Benson wrote: Hi, I've been trying not to post random questions here, but I have to ask so I can decide if I should put this drive in storage or clean it up and buy a couple of tapes for it. I have a Compaq DLT4000 series 20/40 GB tape drive (also known as a Tx88 in DEC parlance I think?) in an external cabinet (a big old lump) with HD50 SCSI ports on the back. It's a nice piece of engineering, very much still DEC-esque in it's build quality and no-nonsense construction. I basically would like to know if it would be supported in either VMS 7.3 on a VAX or VMS 8.3 on an Alpha, and perhaps how to utilise it if it is. I am used to using 'tar' and 'mt' on UNIX but never looked at using tapes *inside* the OS on VMS. The TZ88 (DLT4000) is fully supported in VMS as per V6.2. It is very useful as it is capable of reading all the earlier generations DLT tapes. Just run the cleaning tape and off you go. Btw. If you want to have a DLT drive repaired (when it just gives errors despite of cleaning), contact me. I can offer you repair service for a very reasonable price. Kari

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TX88/DLT 4000 use in VMS

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

The most common utility would be backup. As in: Backup/image dkao: mka100:saveset.bck I -----Original Message----- From: Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:23:51 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: [HECnet] TX88/DLT 4000 use in VMS Hi, I've been trying not to post random questions here, but I have to ask so I can decide if I should put this drive in storage or clean it up and buy a couple of tapes for it. I have a Compaq DLT4000 series 20/40 GB tape drive (also known as a Tx88 in DEC parlance I think?) in an external cabinet (a big old lump) with HD50 SCSI ports on the back. It's a nice piece of engineering, very much still DEC-esque in it's build quality and no-nonsense construction. I basically would like to know if it would be supported in either VMS 7.3 on a VAX or VMS 8.3 on an Alpha, and perhaps how to utilise it if it is. I am used to using 'tar' and 'mt' on UNIX but never looked at using tapes *inside* the OS on VMS. -- Mark Benson My Blog: <http://markbenson.org/blog> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/mdbenson "Never send a human to do a machine's job..."

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TX88/DLT 4000 use in VMS

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2011-10-15 21.23, Mark Benson wrote: Hi, I've been trying not to post random questions here, but I have to ask so I can decide if I should put this drive in storage or clean it up and buy a couple of tapes for it. I have a Compaq DLT4000 series 20/40 GB tape drive (also known as a Tx88 in DEC parlance I think?) in an external cabinet (a big old lump) with HD50 SCSI ports on the back. It's a nice piece of engineering, very much still DEC-esque in it's build quality and no-nonsense construction. I basically would like to know if it would be supported in either VMS 7.3 on a VAX or VMS 8.3 on an Alpha, and perhaps how to utilise it if it is. I am used to using 'tar' and 'mt' on UNIX but never looked at using tapes *inside* the OS on VMS. My guess is that it will work just fine. VMS supports tapes over SCSI, and this is just another tape over SCSI. As for how yuo use it, that is up to you. BACKUP can write backups to it, or you can initialize and mount it, and just copy files to/from it like any other device (well, not like any other, since tapes have some different characteristics, but it will pretty much work as you would expect). DIR works on such tapes, but you cannot delete files, nor modify existing files. Or you can just mount it foreign, and do whatever you want on it at a low level with your own programs... Johnny

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TX88/DLT 4000 use in VMS

by md.benson＠gmail.com

Hi, I've been trying not to post random questions here, but I have to ask so I can decide if I should put this drive in storage or clean it up and buy a couple of tapes for it. I have a Compaq DLT4000 series 20/40 GB tape drive (also known as a Tx88 in DEC parlance I think?) in an external cabinet (a big old lump) with HD50 SCSI ports on the back. It's a nice piece of engineering, very much still DEC-esque in it's build quality and no-nonsense construction. I basically would like to know if it would be supported in either VMS 7.3 on a VAX or VMS 8.3 on an Alpha, and perhaps how to utilise it if it is. I am used to using 'tar' and 'mt' on UNIX but never looked at using tapes *inside* the OS on VMS. -- Mark Benson My Blog: <http://markbenson.org/blog> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/mdbenson "Never send a human to do a machine's job..."

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Current VMS installations

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Sean Harney <sharney3 at gmail.com> wrote: I was looking at: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/airwide/index.html I had heard that a significant portion of SMS text messages world-wide are routed via VMS systems. I suppose it might be true since OpenVMS seems to be used for mobile network infrastructure. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote: Randomly found this site: http://vms.cc.wmich.edu/www/openvms.html Nice example of VMS still out in the wild... Mark. Hello! I knew that. I also know that there are a substantial amount of systems being employed to do strange things. -- ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Car boot sale of DEC gear

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 11/10/11 16:29, Sampsa Laine wrote: Yup, those are 16 bit wide modules: http://www.trademoon.com/Product373313.aspx On 11 Oct 2011, at 16:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: Hi Sampsa, have you had any of the BA356 hooked up via a 16-bit/wide personality module? Are the shelves blue or grey? Can you give me the model number of the shelves? Sorry for being picky, I need the ultrascsi versions... I'm planning on posting that modem off today. Mark.

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Current VMS installations

by marcogb＠xs4all.nl

On 10-10-2011 22:42, Mark Benson wrote: On 10 Oct 2011, at 21:30, Mark Wickens wrote: I was talking to someone at the DEC Legacy event about the erosion of DEC kit in Universities and Colleges after Microsoft's anti-trust law suit the settlement of which required Microsoft to give away copies of Windows. DEC didn't follow suit. Ironic that an anti-trust settlement against Microsoft just ended up with more people running Microsoft software, which locked them into Microsoft upgrade paths. The same irony of Linux as the supposed 'free and open UNIX/-derivative' doing the bidding of UNIX against Windows, where in the end Linux almost exclusively destroyed perfectly good proprietary UNIX distributions (think of IRIX) on the basis of alleged cost reduction, with Linux in the end still mostly in the fringes and server niche, just like on day one. (No, I don't consider Android a proper Linux. It's far too customized and intertwined with proprietary supplements to be truly considered Linux. It is not like people consider Mac OS X a typical BSD in that sense either.) - MG

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BLISS-16?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2011-10-12 21:27, Peter Lothberg wrote: That was a different edition, though, called Bliss-11 and hosted on a PDP-10. BLISS-11 was also a differently language too, albeit slightly. When DEC adopted BLISS they just had to change some of the syntax to make it their own. Likewise there was a BLISS-10 and a BLISS-36. And there was a BLISS-32 for VAXen, although AFAIK there was never a cross compiler for that version and there was never a BLISS-10/11 equivalent for it. BLISS-32 was of course used fairly extensively for VMS. Bob Bliss36 and Bliss32 for vaxen is different than bliss10.. The 32/36 compiler is the same compiler with different backends.. Hmm. Are you saying that Bliss-36 ran on VMS? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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BLISS-16?

by roll＠Stupi.SE

That was a different edition, though, called Bliss-11 and hosted on a PDP-10. BLISS-11 was also a differently language too, albeit slightly. When DEC adopted BLISS they just had to change some of the syntax to make it their own. Likewise there was a BLISS-10 and a BLISS-36. And there was a BLISS-32 for VAXen, although AFAIK there was never a cross compiler for that version and there was never a BLISS-10/11 equivalent for it. BLISS-32 was of course used fairly extensively for VMS. Bob Bliss36 and Bliss32 for vaxen is different than bliss10.. The 32/36 compiler is the same compiler with different backends..

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Potentially stupid printer question...

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2011-10-11 17.16, Mark Wickens wrote: I've been offered a very nice printer for the price of shipping. It's a centronics based printer. I currently have an LA75 hooked up to a DECserver 90M. Obviously MMJ/serial connection. My question is - does OpenVMS support parallel printers? Would it be a lot of work getting it to work natively without having to include another box in the mix (ie, a linux box). My brain has been trampled on with work today, something may come to me yet... Actually having said that, I guess a Centronics/Network interface would do the trick at the very least. The answer is yes, though. But only for machines that actually have hardware parallel ports, such as Unibus machines with a LP11, or Q-bus machines with a LPV11. No pizza-box VAXen, or more modern big models have parallel ports as far as I can remember. (Of course I can be wrong...) But even if you discover that such an interface exist, you also need to locate one to add to your machine in order to do this. By the way, the LP11 interface is almost identical to Centronics. It's one signal (if I remember right), which have inverted levels, but otherwise it works just fine. If you have a parallel interface, VMS makes it available as a device driver. The normal spooler tasks can make use of that interface just as well as a serial port. Makes no difference from the spooler task point of view. It's just an interface on which you send bytes. Johnny

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Potentially stupid printer question...

by HECNET＠beyondthepale.ie

My question is - does OpenVMS support parallel printers? Would it be a lot of work getting it to work natively without having to include another box in the mix (ie, a linux box). I've got some sort of a hp inkjet thing plugged into my Alphaserver 800. It shows up as LRA0: I've added a postscript option board to the printer which works in principle but it is a little fiddly getting the settings right to ensure the printer doesn't interpret the postscript as text. I keep meaning to investigate DCPS. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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Car boot sale of DEC gear

by sampsa＠mac.com

Yup, those are 16 bit wide modules: http://www.trademoon.com/Product373313.aspx On 11 Oct 2011, at 16:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: Hi Sampsa, have you had any of the BA356 hooked up via a 16-bit/wide personality module?

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