I'll never forget 'logging into' my hdds for the first time. :)
DSSI is just plain neat. If I remember correctly the drives themselves speak enough MSCP to service cluster requests themselves.
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:59, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
DSSI! Brian, excuse me, but you're nuts :-)
What's wrong with DSSI? I've got a uVAX-III with a farm of DSSI drives
(the DEC R-400X box) in the garage. DSSI drives are cool - T11 CPUs in each
one, running RSX-11S (Johnny should love that!). They even have a little
MCR that you can talk to...
BTW, if anybody has a DSSI DLT drive (e.g. a TFxx) that they're willing to
part with, let me know. I need it to complete my collection...
Bob
How is IO on the cf card?
I haven't attempted to benchmark it, but empirically it works OK. The
system runs Ubuntu 10.04LTS with a custom kernel (the eBox has some
non-standard hardware that's not supported by the default kernel) and
simh-vax, and that's about all. I have the VAX emulation throttled to
about 50% of the CPU, so I could run another emulator if I felt like it. I
wanted to run TOPS-20 on it, but the idle detection in simh-KS10 for TOPS20
doesn't appear to work, so it hogs all the CPU time.
What I'd like to do with LEGATO is to set up two simulated NI devices in
simh. One will be my real Ethernet, and the other will be a virtual bridge
to Johnny's world. There appear to be enough pieces to do that, but I
haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
Bob
DSSI! Brian, excuse me, but you're nuts :-)
What's wrong with DSSI? I've got a uVAX-III with a farm of DSSI drives
(the DEC R-400X box) in the garage. DSSI drives are cool - T11 CPUs in each
one, running RSX-11S (Johnny should love that!). They even have a little
MCR that you can talk to...
BTW, if anybody has a DSSI DLT drive (e.g. a TFxx) that they're willing to
part with, let me know. I need it to complete my collection...
Bob
I've heard that before. :)
To that end I've been typing DIA0: all day long when I meant DUA0: on the simh machine we've been working on. :)
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:42, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
DSSI! Brian, excuse me, but you're nuts :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:40 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
I've got 4x VLC motherboards. I should really rig up some power for
then.
How is IO on the cf card? I've got a system here that might turn into a
dedicated simh box and I'd love to use a cf card in it.
Hmm, it might also be time to resurrect that old laptop as well.
Dammit! See what you've all gone and done? Not only am I looking for
machines to run simh on I've started looking for some dssi cables so I
can rebuild my VAX 4000/500 cluster!!
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:22, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the same platform for the exact
purpose.
It used to be. I believe the VLC is the lowest power VAX ever made
(and
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-), but including one SCSI
hard
disk it still uses 60-70W. It's not much, but running 24x7 it adds
up.
LEGATO is now a simh emulation on an eBox-3300. It's about as fast
as the
VLC, and uses 5W. Yes, five watts, and that includes the CF card that
serves as the emulated VAX disk drive.
It makes me feel like I'm cheating somehow, not running a real VAX,
but
the power difference is hard to ignore.
Bob
DSSI! Brian, excuse me, but you're nuts :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:40 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
I've got 4x VLC motherboards. I should really rig up some power for
then.
How is IO on the cf card? I've got a system here that might turn into a
dedicated simh box and I'd love to use a cf card in it.
Hmm, it might also be time to resurrect that old laptop as well.
Dammit! See what you've all gone and done? Not only am I looking for
machines to run simh on I've started looking for some dssi cables so I
can rebuild my VAX 4000/500 cluster!!
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:22, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the same platform for the exact
purpose.
It used to be. I believe the VLC is the lowest power VAX ever made
(and
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-), but including one SCSI
hard
disk it still uses 60-70W. It's not much, but running 24x7 it adds
up.
LEGATO is now a simh emulation on an eBox-3300. It's about as fast
as the
VLC, and uses 5W. Yes, five watts, and that includes the CF card that
serves as the emulated VAX disk drive.
It makes me feel like I'm cheating somehow, not running a real VAX,
but
the power difference is hard to ignore.
Bob
I forgot to add...
DEC used area 13 for DECUS (at least US anyway). The DECUS nodes were
colors just like our area 32. The area would be used for "special"
events and would be connected to the easynet backbone during a DECUS
symposium. Mostly this would occur in spring and fall. If the
documentation did not refer to area 13 for DECserver management, I would
have suggested area 13 for out special events area top pay homage to
that wonderful organization. Mark Wickens was going to use it for the
DEC legacy event this past October. I don't remember if he wound up
using it or used his own (area 4). Your list mentions me as the
"owner". That's fine, but I more of a coordinator of that area. Anyone
can use it for a "special" event like what Mark has - just let me know.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:11 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-22 04:04, Steve Davidson wrote:
Two things:
First I would like to continue to reserve area 13. All the
documentation about DECserver management refers to it.
Could you point me to some of that documentation? I've not seen any of
it, and I don't really at all understand the point of even setting up
information in the nodename database for DECservers, which don't even
speak DECnet to begin with. (And I do have DECservers up and running, as
well as manuals...)
I know that, from a convenience point of view, you can use the name as a
short cut for specifying the MAC address and circuit, but having an area
reserved for such a simple detail seems excessive.
Second SG1 is a VS4000/30 (VLC). It is small, quiet, and cheap to run
-
all very important features. If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the
same platform for the exact purpose. The only difference between my
Multnet "gateway" is that it can accommodate dynamic-DNS at the other
end.
Cool. I guess that platform should be enough to handle normal HECnet
traffic even if we grow some more.
How do you deal with dynamic IP addresses?
PS One more network is in the wings. You should be getting email
about
it soon enough if you have not already.
Nothing yet.
Johnny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:58 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Current list as of right now:
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 22-DEC-11 03:53:33
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
2 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
44 Reachable UNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
54 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
59 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
.
That is 14 areas, and I'm talking to one more guy who wants a new
area,
which would bring us to 15.
Anyone object to me giving him area 13? It was asked to be reserved
for
DECserver management, but I don't really see the point of having an
area
for that purpose. But if you can convince me... :-)
Also, SG1:: is quite a hub from the bridge point of view. Lots of
connections coming through there. Nice. :-) What type of machine is
it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 18:29, Steve Davidson wrote:
At the moment 13 areas are up and running - this list only show 10.
Hopefully sometime today we will be at 14. We're working on it! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:44 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-20 22:34, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have defined (or redefined) tunnels for areas 3 and 6 for both
GORVAX:: and SG1::. These are effective immediately. Enjoy!
Cool. Area 3 is up according to MIM. Pretty...
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 20-DEC-11 23:42:41
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I've got 4x VLC motherboards. I should really rig up some power for then.
How is IO on the cf card? I've got a system here that might turn into a dedicated simh box and I'd love to use a cf card in it.
Hmm, it might also be time to resurrect that old laptop as well.
Dammit! See what you've all gone and done? Not only am I looking for machines to run simh on I've started looking for some dssi cables so I can rebuild my VAX 4000/500 cluster!!
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:22, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the same platform for the exact purpose.
It used to be. I believe the VLC is the lowest power VAX ever made (and
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-), but including one SCSI hard
disk it still uses 60-70W. It's not much, but running 24x7 it adds up.
LEGATO is now a simh emulation on an eBox-3300. It's about as fast as the
VLC, and uses 5W. Yes, five watts, and that includes the CF card that
serves as the emulated VAX disk drive.
It makes me feel like I'm cheating somehow, not running a real VAX, but
the power difference is hard to ignore.
Bob
Johnny,
I'll have to look up which documentation - I do not have it in front of
me at the moment. I personally use my own area to deal with this
because I am way past having to need the documents.
I have written a DCL procedure that does IP address lookups at
predetermined (configurable) intervals. If it finds a mismatched IP
address it reconfigures the the TCP-0-n (where "n" is the area - in my
case) IP address and schedules a reboot. It takes SG1:: ~3 minutes to
come back. I had to do this because Multinet (like the bridge) does not
support dynamic addressing. Area 33 is running with a dynamic-DNS
address. It just works and has for well over a year. It also sends
email to those who need to know that a change in address has occurred.
This can help Sampsa and Bob (two other connections that MISER::FRED
has) to notify them that they must reconfigure the entry for area 33.
Initially we used it to give MISER::FRED information to take to his ISP
that would detail just how often he would have to deal with new
addresses. Fred could probably provide more info on this. The email
also contains a report that provides some details that could be useful.
It has sure helped Fred and myself deal with "dynamic" changes! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:11 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-22 04:04, Steve Davidson wrote:
Two things:
First I would like to continue to reserve area 13. All the
documentation about DECserver management refers to it.
Could you point me to some of that documentation? I've not seen any of
it, and I don't really at all understand the point of even setting up
information in the nodename database for DECservers, which don't even
speak DECnet to begin with. (And I do have DECservers up and running, as
well as manuals...)
I know that, from a convenience point of view, you can use the name as a
short cut for specifying the MAC address and circuit, but having an area
reserved for such a simple detail seems excessive.
Second SG1 is a VS4000/30 (VLC). It is small, quiet, and cheap to run
-
all very important features. If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the
same platform for the exact purpose. The only difference between my
Multnet "gateway" is that it can accommodate dynamic-DNS at the other
end.
Cool. I guess that platform should be enough to handle normal HECnet
traffic even if we grow some more.
How do you deal with dynamic IP addresses?
PS One more network is in the wings. You should be getting email
about
it soon enough if you have not already.
Nothing yet.
Johnny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:58 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Current list as of right now:
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 22-DEC-11 03:53:33
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
2 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
44 Reachable UNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
54 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
59 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
.
That is 14 areas, and I'm talking to one more guy who wants a new
area,
which would bring us to 15.
Anyone object to me giving him area 13? It was asked to be reserved
for
DECserver management, but I don't really see the point of having an
area
for that purpose. But if you can convince me... :-)
Also, SG1:: is quite a hub from the bridge point of view. Lots of
connections coming through there. Nice. :-) What type of machine is
it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 18:29, Steve Davidson wrote:
At the moment 13 areas are up and running - this list only show 10.
Hopefully sometime today we will be at 14. We're working on it! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:44 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-20 22:34, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have defined (or redefined) tunnels for areas 3 and 6 for both
GORVAX:: and SG1::. These are effective immediately. Enjoy!
Cool. Area 3 is up according to MIM. Pretty...
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 20-DEC-11 23:42:41
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the same platform for the exact purpose.
It used to be. I believe the VLC is the lowest power VAX ever made (and
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-), but including one SCSI hard
disk it still uses 60-70W. It's not much, but running 24x7 it adds up.
LEGATO is now a simh emulation on an eBox-3300. It's about as fast as the
VLC, and uses 5W. Yes, five watts, and that includes the CF card that
serves as the emulated VAX disk drive.
It makes me feel like I'm cheating somehow, not running a real VAX, but
the power difference is hard to ignore.
Bob
On 2011-12-22 04:04, Steve Davidson wrote:
Two things:
First I would like to continue to reserve area 13. All the
documentation about DECserver management refers to it.
Could you point me to some of that documentation? I've not seen any of it, and I don't really at all understand the point of even setting up information in the nodename database for DECservers, which don't even speak DECnet to begin with. (And I do have DECservers up and running, as well as manuals...)
I know that, from a convenience point of view, you can use the name as a short cut for specifying the MAC address and circuit, but having an area reserved for such a simple detail seems excessive.
Second SG1 is a VS4000/30 (VLC). It is small, quiet, and cheap to run -
all very important features. If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the
same platform for the exact purpose. The only difference between my
Multnet "gateway" is that it can accommodate dynamic-DNS at the other
end.
Cool. I guess that platform should be enough to handle normal HECnet traffic even if we grow some more.
How do you deal with dynamic IP addresses?
PS One more network is in the wings. You should be getting email about
it soon enough if you have not already.
Nothing yet.
Johnny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:58 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Current list as of right now:
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 22-DEC-11 03:53:33
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
2 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
44 Reachable UNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
54 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
59 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
.
That is 14 areas, and I'm talking to one more guy who wants a new area,
which would bring us to 15.
Anyone object to me giving him area 13? It was asked to be reserved for
DECserver management, but I don't really see the point of having an area
for that purpose. But if you can convince me... :-)
Also, SG1:: is quite a hub from the bridge point of view. Lots of
connections coming through there. Nice. :-) What type of machine is it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 18:29, Steve Davidson wrote:
At the moment 13 areas are up and running - this list only show 10.
Hopefully sometime today we will be at 14. We're working on it! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:44 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-20 22:34, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have defined (or redefined) tunnels for areas 3 and 6 for both
GORVAX:: and SG1::. These are effective immediately. Enjoy!
Cool. Area 3 is up according to MIM. Pretty...
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 20-DEC-11 23:42:41
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
By the way, here is a slightly different presentation on the area view from MIM::
.type ntd.SCR
22-DEC-11 04:02:12 Node: MIM (1.13) "RSX system at Update, Sweden"
RSX-11M-Plus, Area Routing Node, DECnet V4.6
Area Circuit Hop/Cst Next Node Area Circuit Hop/Cst Next Node
2 UNA-0 2/6 SG1 (19.41)
3 UNA-0 2/6 SG1 (19.41)
4 UNA-0 1/3 SLAVE ( 4.249)
6 UNA-0 1/3 STAR69( 6.1)
8 UNA-0 2/6 SG1 (19.41)
11 UNA-0 1/3 MAISA (11.2)
19 UNA-0 1/3 SG1 (19.41)
20 UNA-0 2/13 SG1 (19.41)
33 UNA-0 2/6 SG1 (19.41)
42 UNA-0 1/3 CANADA(42.1)
44 UNA-0 1/3 NIKKEL(44.21)
54 UNA-0 3/16 SG1 (19.41)
59 UNA-0 3/9 SG1 (19.41)
- Total areas: 13-
.
(The total areas is excluding area 1, which is the local area.)
Johnny
On 2011-12-22 03:57, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Current list as of right now:
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 22-DEC-11 03:53:33
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
2 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
44 Reachable UNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
54 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
59 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
.
That is 14 areas, and I'm talking to one more guy who wants a new area,
which would bring us to 15.
Anyone object to me giving him area 13? It was asked to be reserved for
DECserver management, but I don't really see the point of having an area
for that purpose. But if you can convince me... :-)
Also, SG1:: is quite a hub from the bridge point of view. Lots of
connections coming through there. Nice. :-)
What type of machine is it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 18:29, Steve Davidson wrote:
At the moment 13 areas are up and running - this list only show 10.
Hopefully sometime today we will be at 14. We're working on it! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:44 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-20 22:34, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have defined (or redefined) tunnels for areas 3 and 6 for both
GORVAX:: and SG1::. These are effective immediately. Enjoy!
Cool. Area 3 is up according to MIM. Pretty...
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 20-DEC-11 23:42:41
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Two things:
First I would like to continue to reserve area 13. All the
documentation about DECserver management refers to it.
Second SG1 is a VS4000/30 (VLC). It is small, quiet, and cheap to run -
all very important features. If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the
same platform for the exact purpose. The only difference between my
Multnet "gateway" is that it can accommodate dynamic-DNS at the other
end.
-Steve
PS One more network is in the wings. You should be getting email about
it soon enough if you have not already.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:58 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Current list as of right now:
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 22-DEC-11 03:53:33
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
2 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
44 Reachable UNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
54 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
59 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
.
That is 14 areas, and I'm talking to one more guy who wants a new area,
which would bring us to 15.
Anyone object to me giving him area 13? It was asked to be reserved for
DECserver management, but I don't really see the point of having an area
for that purpose. But if you can convince me... :-)
Also, SG1:: is quite a hub from the bridge point of view. Lots of
connections coming through there. Nice. :-) What type of machine is it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 18:29, Steve Davidson wrote:
At the moment 13 areas are up and running - this list only show 10.
Hopefully sometime today we will be at 14. We're working on it! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:44 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-20 22:34, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have defined (or redefined) tunnels for areas 3 and 6 for both
GORVAX:: and SG1::. These are effective immediately. Enjoy!
Cool. Area 3 is up according to MIM. Pretty...
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 20-DEC-11 23:42:41
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Yes. I was trying to convey that his site (area) is not an intermediate
hop but at the end of a leg (as it were). If you compare this to
Sampsa's network (and mine) where our sites route traffic for multiple
sites into your (bridged) backbone. Sampsa and I have multiple
redundant links to provide maximum connectivity. We are also linked
together via Multinet and the bridge. In this way if one of the sites
has issues at least something is available for others.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:54 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Steve, are you using "end node" in another meaning than the DECnet one?
Because Peter have a whole area, and not just an endnode machine...
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 20:01, Steve Davidson wrote:
Peter,
Add an additional connection to Multinet for SG1. Use 69.21.253.230.
I would set your costs (because you are an "end node") as follows:
GORVAX = 3 Shortest distance and high speed
SG1 = 5 Medium distance and medium speed
LEGATO> 5 Longest distance and slower speed
According to Sampsa, his bridge link is having issues (I have no
access to that), and he is out of country, so connecting to SG1 is
probably a great idea for now and won't hurt anything. SG1 like
LEGATO is a dedicated Multinet router. All it does is that one
function.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Peter Lothberg
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:08 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Steve:
Where are you located?
I'm everywhere, the Vaxen is in Stockholm, Sweden.
What is your IP address? I can add links to GORVAX and SG1 at any
time. If your IP address is dynamic, then SG1 will deal with that
automatically whereas GORVAX is a manual change.
192.108.200.211
It;s static.
-Peter
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Believe me, electricity is not a concern. Nor is bandwidth.
My only worry is heat, which is why the VAX 8650 is not running. (Or the VAX 7720.) Cooling system broke down. :-(
Johnny
On 2011-12-22 03:53, Steve Davidson wrote:
Maybe...
I use a VS4000 Model 30 (VLC). It does not use much electricity so I
don't worry about it.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:47 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-21 19:08, Peter Lothberg wrote:
Steve:
Where are you located?
I'm everywhere, the Vaxen is in Stockholm, Sweden.
Maybe its time I set up a VAX in Uppsala as well, with multinet...?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Current list as of right now:
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 22-DEC-11 03:53:33
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
2 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
44 Reachable UNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
54 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
59 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
.
That is 14 areas, and I'm talking to one more guy who wants a new area, which would bring us to 15.
Anyone object to me giving him area 13? It was asked to be reserved for DECserver management, but I don't really see the point of having an area for that purpose. But if you can convince me... :-)
Also, SG1:: is quite a hub from the bridge point of view. Lots of connections coming through there. Nice. :-)
What type of machine is it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 18:29, Steve Davidson wrote:
At the moment 13 areas are up and running - this list only show 10.
Hopefully sometime today we will be at 14. We're working on it! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:44 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-20 22:34, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have defined (or redefined) tunnels for areas 3 and 6 for both
GORVAX:: and SG1::. These are effective immediately. Enjoy!
Cool. Area 3 is up according to MIM. Pretty...
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 20-DEC-11 23:42:41
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Maybe...
I use a VS4000 Model 30 (VLC). It does not use much electricity so I
don't worry about it.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:47 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-21 19:08, Peter Lothberg wrote:
Steve:
Where are you located?
I'm everywhere, the Vaxen is in Stockholm, Sweden.
Maybe its time I set up a VAX in Uppsala as well, with multinet...?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Steve, are you using "end node" in another meaning than the DECnet one? Because Peter have a whole area, and not just an endnode machine...
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 20:01, Steve Davidson wrote:
Peter,
Add an additional connection to Multinet for SG1. Use 69.21.253.230. I
would set your costs (because you are an "end node") as follows:
GORVAX = 3 Shortest distance and high speed
SG1 = 5 Medium distance and medium speed
LEGATO> 5 Longest distance and slower speed
According to Sampsa, his bridge link is having issues (I have no access
to that), and he is out of country, so connecting to SG1 is probably a
great idea for now and won't hurt anything. SG1 like LEGATO is a
dedicated Multinet router. All it does is that one function.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Peter Lothberg
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:08 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Steve:
Where are you located?
I'm everywhere, the Vaxen is in Stockholm, Sweden.
What is your IP address? I can add links to GORVAX and SG1 at any
time. If your IP address is dynamic, then SG1 will deal with that
automatically whereas GORVAX is a manual change.
192.108.200.211
It;s static.
-Peter
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2011-12-21 20:05, Sampsa wrote:
BTW, bounced the router and bridge remotely (which I REALLY dislike doing) but no use.
Is Johnny's side of the bridge running ok?
Sampsa, I disabled you a few days ago when your connection (well, the adjacency to MIM= was going up and down every few minutes for about two days. I really dislike having so big logs with just CHIMPY up and down messages... :-)
Are you more stable now?
Johnny
Sampsa
On 21 Dec 2011, at 21:01, Steve Davidson wrote:
Peter,
Add an additional connection to Multinet for SG1. Use 69.21.253.230. I
would set your costs (because you are an "end node") as follows:
GORVAX = 3 Shortest distance and high speed
SG1 = 5 Medium distance and medium speed
LEGATO> 5 Longest distance and slower speed
According to Sampsa, his bridge link is having issues (I have no access
to that), and he is out of country, so connecting to SG1 is probably a
great idea for now and won't hurt anything. SG1 like LEGATO is a
dedicated Multinet router. All it does is that one function.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Peter Lothberg
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:08 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Steve:
Where are you located?
I'm everywhere, the Vaxen is in Stockholm, Sweden.
What is your IP address? I can add links to GORVAX and SG1 at any
time. If your IP address is dynamic, then SG1 will deal with that
automatically whereas GORVAX is a manual change.
192.108.200.211
It;s static.
-Peter
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2011-12-21 19:08, Peter Lothberg wrote:
Steve:
Where are you located?
I'm everywhere, the Vaxen is in Stockholm, Sweden.
Maybe its time I set up a VAX in Uppsala as well, with multinet...?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
NIKKEL runs, the bridge too so area 44 is on line, though rather unpopulated.
One new node: 44.44 name RENIUM which is a Personal Alpha simulator.
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Peter Coghlan
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Verzonden: 21 december 2011 22:27
I think that would be great, even if only for a short time. We are
working on bringing up one more area that hopefully will be up shortly.
I may even bring up all three clusters plus my PDP-11's to celebrate.
Now if I only had a replacement SCSI board for my VAXstation 3100 Model
10 I could bring up ULTRIX on DECVAX:: just like DEC! Hey I don't call
this declab.net for nothing :-)
I would like to bring up my Alphaserver 2100 and see if I can get OSF1
or Tru-64 or whatever it is called this week to talk DECnet. However, I
am also waiting on spare parts.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan,
BTP::PETER
See my site for more data. The Alpha Server 1200 and its white box variant are the worst in my collection.
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Peter Coghlan
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Verzonden: 21 december 2011 22:21
My annual power bill runs from December until November. So last year is just
closed and billed. In 2010 I kept system powered off when not in use but
plugged into the mains. That year we used 7200 kWhr. In 2011 unused systems
were also unplugged. We used 5100 kWhr. At .25 cents per kWhr that's a huge
difference.
I have found that systems such as the Alphaserver 1000A use a lot of power
when they are plugged in but not switched on. I went to swap out a power supply
from such a machine and found it very warm, almost hot (the PSU fan does not
run when they are "off").
I imagine this also applies to the Alphaserver 800, ES40 and other systems that
support the RMC facility for remote power management. In fact anything with
a silly little front panel on/off switch should probably be plugged out when
not in use.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
BTP::PETER
I think that would be great, even if only for a short time. We are
working on bringing up one more area that hopefully will be up shortly.
I may even bring up all three clusters plus my PDP-11's to celebrate.
Now if I only had a replacement SCSI board for my VAXstation 3100 Model
10 I could bring up ULTRIX on DECVAX:: just like DEC! Hey I don't call
this declab.net for nothing :-)
I would like to bring up my Alphaserver 2100 and see if I can get OSF1
or Tru-64 or whatever it is called this week to talk DECnet. However, I
am also waiting on spare parts.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan,
BTP::PETER
My annual power bill runs from December until November. So last year is just
closed and billed. In 2010 I kept system powered off when not in use but
plugged into the mains. That year we used 7200 kWhr. In 2011 unused systems
were also unplugged. We used 5100 kWhr. At .25 cents per kWhr that's a huge
difference.
I have found that systems such as the Alphaserver 1000A use a lot of power
when they are plugged in but not switched on. I went to swap out a power supply
from such a machine and found it very warm, almost hot (the PSU fan does not
run when they are "off").
I imagine this also applies to the Alphaserver 800, ES40 and other systems that
support the RMC facility for remote power management. In fact anything with
a silly little front panel on/off switch should probably be plugged out when
not in use.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
BTP::PETER
My annual power bill runs from December until November. So last year is just closed and billed. In 2010 I kept system powered off when not in use but plugged into the mains. That year we used 7200 kWhr. In 2011 unused systems were also unplugged. We used 5100 kWhr. At .25 cents per kWhr that's a huge difference.
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Peter Coghlan
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Verzonden: 21 december 2011 21:44
Well my machines populate area 44. The price per kWhr however is such that I can't run any of them 24 x 7.
That said, if we decide to have all areas up and running until New Year I'll fire up my lowest cost area router (NIKKEL, a VAXstation 4000-40)
Well, electricity is expensive in area 54 too. (We are increasing the price to
stimulate competition in the market says the regulator - great we can all be
happy that there is lots of competition. Who needs low prices?)
However:
a) My machines contributes to the heating
and
b) They don't pick up any viruses or otherwise cause me worry
So BTP and CEIRE at least will remain up over the holidays, with others joining
them as I need them.
Happy holidays.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
BTP::PETER
