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by sampsa＠mac.com

Here's the SPD: http://www.migrationspecialties.com/pdf/Avanti_SPD.pdf Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 11:07, John H. Reinhardt wrote: I looked on the Migration Specialties web site and found FreeAXP and Avanti but no mention of a DS10 emulation. Can you be more specific on where you found this? Both the FreeAXP and Avanti emulators are EV4 (AlphaServer 400) emulation. Maybe in this case the chip version doesn't really matter but it would be nice to have something a little more modern. For a DS10 class emulator with up to 3GB of memory and lots of disk space I'd go up to $100 US. Otherwise I'm just as happy to run my DS20E or XP1000. John H. Reinhardt On 4/4/12 5:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here. Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money. So I guess my questions are these: 1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing? 2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10? Sampsa PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up?

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by sampsa＠mac.com

My bad, I thought I saw a DS10 emulator on their pricing list, I misread it... They support up to 3 GB of RAM and 1 TB disks on their biggest product though, but it's an EV4 processor.. Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 11:07, John H. Reinhardt wrote: I looked on the Migration Specialties web site and found FreeAXP and Avanti but no mention of a DS10 emulation. Can you be more specific on where you found this? Both the FreeAXP and Avanti emulators are EV4 (AlphaServer 400) emulation. Maybe in this case the chip version doesn't really matter but it would be nice to have something a little more modern. For a DS10 class emulator with up to 3GB of memory and lots of disk space I'd go up to $100 US. Otherwise I'm just as happy to run my DS20E or XP1000. John H. Reinhardt On 4/4/12 5:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here. Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money. So I guess my questions are these: 1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing? 2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10? Sampsa PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up?

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by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

I looked on the Migration Specialties web site and found FreeAXP and Avanti but no mention of a DS10 emulation. Can you be more specific on where you found this? Both the FreeAXP and Avanti emulators are EV4 (AlphaServer 400) emulation. Maybe in this case the chip version doesn't really matter but it would be nice to have something a little more modern. For a DS10 class emulator with up to 3GB of memory and lots of disk space I'd go up to $100 US. Otherwise I'm just as happy to run my DS20E or XP1000. John H. Reinhardt On 4/4/12 5:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here. Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money. So I guess my questions are these: 1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing? 2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10? Sampsa PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up?

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Ohhh, the ES40 NCE looks pretty cool actually. PersonalAlpha and FreeAXP are too limited due to the 128 MB max RAM, but ES40 might be a decent replacement. Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 10:15, Kari Uusim ki wrote: Sampsa, Have you tested the PersonalAlpha or the CHARON -AXP/ES40 for Linux NCE? They are both freeware and fully functional even though some restricted features. Regards, Kari On 5.4.2012 9:43, Sampsa Laine wrote: Well, I've told the guys that 50 euros is probably a realistic price that we as a community would be willing to part with. The guy I'm in contact is really nice BTW, he's been watching out project for a while, even noted that hecnet.eu had been down since Friday... Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:38, Sampsa Laine wrote: I was thinking 50-100 GBP max myself - as these guys would have to probably physically post us a copy protection dongle. For me, the power savings is the main issue: I already have a chunky i86_64 box that run various VMs and emulators, so I would probably save the 100 quid in about 3 months. Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:35, Saku Set l wrote: Yeah, I agree 50e max. .

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by sampsa＠mac.com

I told the guy that as we are both a) not exactly flush with cash and b) quite attached to actual hardware, they're unlikely to get much cash out of us. However, from the get go he seems to approach this from a charity / marketing opportunity (I for one would stick a banner + link on the CHIMPY page as a part of the deal quite happily). Also, look at it this way: If he can sell it more or less at cost (i.e. USB dongle + shipping), he doesn't LOSE anything - we were never going to pay 6 kilodollars for an emu when hardware costs 200. Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 10:16, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: The vendor might feel somewhat offended by our response because 50 is a *lot* lower than the published marketing price. However we're hobbyist users who run VMS for various reasons. A hobby is run on a different (usually non rational) set of decisions than a business is. The other thing is that the Alpha business by nature is about to end for commercial users. So the vendor may find the help of ambassadors useful. Hans

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

The vendor might feel somewhat offended by our response because 50 is a *lot* lower than the published marketing price. However we're hobbyist users who run VMS for various reasons. A hobby is run on a different (usually non rational) set of decisions than a business is. The other thing is that the Alpha business by nature is about to end for commercial users. So the vendor may find the help of ambassadors useful. Hans -----Original Message----- From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:43:57 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Alpha emulation Well, I've told the guys that 50 euros is probably a realistic price that we as a community would be willing to part with. The guy I'm in contact is really nice BTW, he's been watching out project for a while, even noted that hecnet.eu had been down since Friday... Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:38, Sampsa Laine wrote: I was thinking 50-100 GBP max myself - as these guys would have to probably physically post us a copy protection dongle. For me, the power savings is the main issue: I already have a chunky i86_64 box that run various VMs and emulators, so I would probably save the 100 quid in about 3 months. Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:35, Saku Set l wrote: Yeah, I agree 50e max.

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by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Sampsa, Have you tested the PersonalAlpha or the CHARON -AXP/ES40 for Linux NCE? They are both freeware and fully functional even though some restricted features. Regards, Kari On 5.4.2012 9:43, Sampsa Laine wrote: Well, I've told the guys that 50 euros is probably a realistic price that we as a community would be willing to part with. The guy I'm in contact is really nice BTW, he's been watching out project for a while, even noted that hecnet.eu had been down since Friday... Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:38, Sampsa Laine wrote: I was thinking 50-100 GBP max myself - as these guys would have to probably physically post us a copy protection dongle. For me, the power savings is the main issue: I already have a chunky i86_64 box that run various VMs and emulators, so I would probably save the 100 quid in about 3 months. Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:35, Saku Set l wrote: Yeah, I agree 50e max. .

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Well, I've told the guys that 50 euros is probably a realistic price that we as a community would be willing to part with. The guy I'm in contact is really nice BTW, he's been watching out project for a while, even noted that hecnet.eu had been down since Friday... Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:38, Sampsa Laine wrote: I was thinking 50-100 GBP max myself - as these guys would have to probably physically post us a copy protection dongle. For me, the power savings is the main issue: I already have a chunky i86_64 box that run various VMs and emulators, so I would probably save the 100 quid in about 3 months. Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:35, Saku Set l wrote: Yeah, I agree 50e max.

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by sampsa＠mac.com

I was thinking 50-100 GBP max myself - as these guys would have to probably physically post us a copy protection dongle. For me, the power savings is the main issue: I already have a chunky i86_64 box that run various VMs and emulators, so I would probably save the 100 quid in about 3 months. Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 09:35, Saku Set l wrote: Yeah, I agree 50e max.

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by setala＠gmail.com

Yeah, I agree 50e max. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 09:19, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Real hardware is priceless: a couple of months ago I was given a DS10 and a DS20E for free. The only disadvantages I feel are floorspace and power usage. Difficult to price an emulator, but 50 is about as much as I'd pay. Hans -----Original Message----- From: Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:29:36 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Alpha emulation Wouldn't be worth more than about $50 (CAD) to me. Anything more than the used price for the real hardware ($200) is out to lunch. Ian On 2012-04-04, at 2:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: > Guys, > > I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here. > > Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money. > > So I guess my questions are these: > > 1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing? > 2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10? > > Sampsa > > PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up? > > > > > --- > Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=4988414E7E9C11E19…

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Real hardware is priceless: a couple of months ago I was given a DS10 and a DS20E for free. The only disadvantages I feel are floorspace and power usage. Difficult to price an emulator, but 50 is about as much as I'd pay. Hans -----Original Message----- From: Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:29:36 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Alpha emulation Wouldn't be worth more than about $50 (CAD) to me. Anything more than the used price for the real hardware ($200) is out to lunch. Ian On 2012-04-04, at 2:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here. Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money. So I guess my questions are these: 1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing? 2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10? Sampsa PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up? --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=4988414E7E9C11E19…

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Yup, I was thinking about 50-100 GBP myself - their software is protected with a dongle (urgh) so I think there might be some underlying costs there. Sampsa On 5 Apr 2012, at 00:29, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Wouldn't be worth more than about $50 (CAD) to me. Anything more than the used price for the real hardware ($200) is out to lunch. Ian

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by ian＠platinum.net

Wouldn't be worth more than about $50 (CAD) to me. Anything more than the used price for the real hardware ($200) is out to lunch. Ian On 2012-04-04, at 2:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here. Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money. So I guess my questions are these: 1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing? 2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10? Sampsa PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up? --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=4988414E7E9C11E19…

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Guys, I've just been talking to the guys who make the FreeAXP product about possible hobbyist pricing for their DS10 and other commercial products - they seemed to like what we're doing with HECnet and asked what I thought was a fair price for a DS10 emulator, so I figured I'd ask here. Basically, I think we can get a better deal if a bunch of us buy a copy. Their list price for the DS10 version is USD 6,000 which of course is crazy as we can get a lot of hardware for that kind of money. So I guess my questions are these: 1. How many of you are interested in a commercial Alpha emulator at hobbyist pricing? 2. What are we willing to pay for say an emulated DS10? Sampsa PS: The chap mentioned that hecnet.eu has been down for a while (so he's clearly aware of us) - any ideas when/if it's coming back up?

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4000/90 help needed

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

Oooohhh, awesome, thanks! Now to get to grinding. :-D -brian On 3/28/2012 5:38 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:34:07AM -0400, Brian Hechinger wrote: I'm working with getting the 4000/90 up and running and I was wondering if anyone had seen this behavior before. Upon initial power up all the diag lights are lit and nothing ever happens. If I quickly flip the power switch off and on it then comes up normally. This happens every time it's powered on cold. Once it's on as long as I only ever quickly flick the power switch off and on it works fine. Thoughts? Incidentally, Holm Tilfe over att cctech@ had a similar problem. His problem description: The Machine doesn't start properly if it is switched on, the LEDs are all stuck on (0xff). If I switch it off then and on again in a short time, it starts up properly, is doing the diagnostics and tries to boot an (defective?) NetBSD 1.1 that is loading the kernel but is getting then in a ?54 RETRY loop. His solution was as follows: Ok, answering myself: Yes this error is already known, found a thread in comp.sys.dec. The cause ist an empty lithium cell in the DS1287A RTC. Used a proxxon grindng tool and grinded the IC housing of, replaced the empty cell (1,07V) with an soldered on CR2016. Works now. The RTC was unable to remember the "set bootdev dka0" over a powercycle. Hope it helps, Pontus

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by pontus＠Update.UU.SE

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:34:07AM -0400, Brian Hechinger wrote: I'm working with getting the 4000/90 up and running and I was wondering if anyone had seen this behavior before. Upon initial power up all the diag lights are lit and nothing ever happens. If I quickly flip the power switch off and on it then comes up normally. This happens every time it's powered on cold. Once it's on as long as I only ever quickly flick the power switch off and on it works fine. Thoughts? Incidentally, Holm Tilfe over att cctech@ had a similar problem. His problem description: The Machine doesn't start properly if it is switched on, the LEDs are all stuck on (0xff). If I switch it off then and on again in a short time, it starts up properly, is doing the diagnostics and tries to boot an (defective?) NetBSD 1.1 that is loading the kernel but is getting then in a ?54 RETRY loop. His solution was as follows: Ok, answering myself: Yes this error is already known, found a thread in comp.sys.dec. The cause ist an empty lithium cell in the DS1287A RTC. Used a proxxon grindng tool and grinded the IC housing of, replaced the empty cell (1,07V) with an soldered on CR2016. Works now. The RTC was unable to remember the "set bootdev dka0" over a powercycle. Hope it helps, Pontus

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4000/90 help needed

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

I'm working with getting the 4000/90 up and running and I was wondering if anyone had seen this behavior before. Upon initial power up all the diag lights are lit and nothing ever happens. If I quickly flip the power switch off and on it then comes up normally. This happens every time it's powered on cold. Once it's on as long as I only ever quickly flick the power switch off and on it works fine. Thoughts? -brian

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Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday

by rok.vidmar＠gmail.com

You should NEVER edit those files directly. That can screw the system in a most unpleasant way. Looks like you couldn't make a decent backup copy of those files ... -- Regards, Rok

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Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 21/03/12 22:09, Steve Davidson wrote: You should NEVER edit those files directly. That can screw the system in a most unpleasant way. -Steve I resemble that comment! Mark.

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Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday

by jeep＠scshome.net

You should NEVER edit those files directly. That can screw the system in a most unpleasant way. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Rok Vidmar Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 17:38 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: Re: [HECnet] Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday FWIW, you cannot actually enter "bridge.declab.net" into Multinet - it only accepts a dotted IP address. Not in mul conf/decnet/connect, but you can in multinet set/decnet command in MULTINET:DECNET-CIRCUITS.COM. It will stay there unles you touch the interface again. -- Regards, Rok

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Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday

by jeep＠scshome.net

I figured that most would figure that out. Also, I'm not sure what the actual address will be until sometime Friday, so the name was the easiest to use. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Bob Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 15:27 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday Select port tcp-0-19 and modify the address. FWIW, you cannot actually enter "bridge.declab.net" into Multinet - it only accepts a dotted IP address. Bob

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by rok.vidmar＠gmail.com

FWIW, you cannot actually enter "bridge.declab.net" into Multinet - it only accepts a dotted IP address. Not in mul conf/decnet/connect, but you can in multinet set/decnet command in MULTINET:DECNET-CIRCUITS.COM. It will stay there unles you touch the interface again. -- Regards, Rok

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Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday

by bob＠jfcl.com

Select port tcp-0-19 and modify the address. FWIW, you cannot actually enter "bridge.declab.net" into Multinet - it only accepts a dotted IP address. Bob

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by jeep＠scshome.net

Mark, $multinet configure/menu Select DECnet over IP, or something like that. Select port tcp-0-19 and modify the address. Save and exit. This will fix the "permanent" database, but not the the in-memory copy. You can either fix that manually, or reboot. It has been a while since I've done the manual mode, so I would have to look that up myself, but rebooting will check to see that everything works for startup. This should be done periodically anyway. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Benson Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:11 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday Can you give me some idea how to check Multinet? I let you set it up remotely and I don't know what/how to check it >.< -- Mark Benson http://markbenson.org/blog http://twitter.com/MDBenson On 21 Mar 2012, at 14:04, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote: The Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday due to static IP address reassignment and bandwidth increases. Any systems that currently connect to IP address 69.21.253.230 should change to bridge.declab.net. This includes bridge and Multinet Tunnel connections as well as UUHEC (UUCP port 540) connections. Regards, -Steve

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Eastern US HECnet hub will be down this Friday

by rok.vidmar＠gmail.com

I know that part, I meant to check in Multinet to see where my tunnel was connecting to at Steve's end :) It's in MULTINET:DECNET-CIRCUITS.COM. -- Regards, Rok

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