Brian Hechinger wrote:
Ignore him. Adding cruft to your filesystem when you could simply fix
the makefile is a silly suggestion.
Maintaining a site-specific patch to the Makefile temporarily until the project Makefile is changed is more work than just leaving the symlink in place until the project Makefile is changed.
Peace... Sridhar
Hi Sridhar!! :-P
-brian
On 4/11/2012 9:13 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Sridhar, you are a jolly fellow aren't you ?
Now I thought I understood the way linux uses libraries and yet you
add another mystery Is it because you want to keep me in a perpetual
mystified state of mind?
Hans
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sridhar Ayengar<ploopster at gmail.com>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:52:15
To:<hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: Dave McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] building simh
Dave McGuire wrote:
Is it possible to explain what the magic does?
More precisely: what is the difference between an .a and an .so
library?
I detailed this a few posts ago. .a is a static library, .so is a
shared library.
How on earth does -lpcap point to /usr/lib?
-lpcap tells the linker to look in every directory in the library
search path to find either libpcap.a or libpcap.so.
This library lives in /usr/lib on most systems, but the simh makefile
hard-coding that path (and hard-coding it to only find the static
library) is a big mistake.
It is, but why not just symlink it for the time being?
Peace... Sridhar
Sure... Try that. You do realize that to do anything SOLAR will have to
go through SG1 then to GORVAX... It will not be pretty (or anything
close to fast). We can give it a try.
If the performance is unacceptable then we will have to make it an area
19 node. Probably not what you had in mind. The alternative is that
you run my DCL procedures on GORVAX and connect the two of them
together, then it won't matter what the area is.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Sampsa Laine [mailto:sampsa at mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:09
To: Steve Davidson
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Hmm, could try with L1 and if it doesn't work go for L2..No?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 18:10, Steve Davidson wrote:
You will probably have to make it a router. I'm just not
sure which
one.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Sampsa Laine [mailto:sampsa at mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:58
To: Steve Davidson
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Area 8, solar and bonzo.
SOLAR is the VMS box, BONZO is a WinNT4 running Pathworks.
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 17:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Sampsa,
Which DECnet area will they be part of? What will the node
name and
address be?
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Sampsa Laine [mailto:sampsa at mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:42
To: Steve Davidson
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Steve,
I might need to set up a tunnel from my parents', I'll
register a
DynDNS account for the router..
Crazily enough because we're so far out in the woods a
3G dongle +
external directional antenna is like 2-3 faster and more
stable than
the DSL. The cool thing with Finnish mobile ISPs is that
you get a
real public IP address instead of some NAT'd thing like in
the UK. Of
course the latency is what it is...
My dynamic DNS entry is hilanet.no-ip.org - I need to install
MULTINET on the VMS box though.
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 15:23, Steve Davidson wrote:
Only my end does. DCL scripts work GREAT!
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 03:13
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if
dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of
Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line
more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots
of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly
as I still
haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going to
get crazy
again for a while here.
-brian
You will probably have to make it a router. I'm just not sure which
one.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Sampsa Laine [mailto:sampsa at mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:58
To: Steve Davidson
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Area 8, solar and bonzo.
SOLAR is the VMS box, BONZO is a WinNT4 running Pathworks.
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 17:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Sampsa,
Which DECnet area will they be part of? What will the node
name and
address be?
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Sampsa Laine [mailto:sampsa at mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:42
To: Steve Davidson
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Steve,
I might need to set up a tunnel from my parents', I'll register a
DynDNS account for the router..
Crazily enough because we're so far out in the woods a 3G dongle +
external directional antenna is like 2-3 faster and more
stable than
the DSL. The cool thing with Finnish mobile ISPs is that you get a
real public IP address instead of some NAT'd thing like in
the UK. Of
course the latency is what it is...
My dynamic DNS entry is hilanet.no-ip.org - I need to install
MULTINET on the VMS box though.
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 15:23, Steve Davidson wrote:
Only my end does. DCL scripts work GREAT!
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 03:13
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if
dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line
more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots
of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly
as I still
haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going to
get crazy
again for a while here.
-brian
Sampsa,
Which DECnet area will they be part of? What will the node name and
address be?
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Sampsa Laine [mailto:sampsa at mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:42
To: Steve Davidson
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Steve,
I might need to set up a tunnel from my parents', I'll
register a DynDNS account for the router..
Crazily enough because we're so far out in the woods a 3G
dongle + external directional antenna is like 2-3 faster and
more stable than the DSL. The cool thing with Finnish mobile
ISPs is that you get a real public IP address instead of some
NAT'd thing like in the UK. Of course the latency is what it is...
My dynamic DNS entry is hilanet.no-ip.org - I need to install
MULTINET on the VMS box though.
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 15:23, Steve Davidson wrote:
Only my end does. DCL scripts work GREAT!
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 03:13
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if
dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line
more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots
of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly
as I still
haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going to get crazy
again for a while here.
-brian
The bottomline is that once a change is needed then you must maintain your own documentatiion.
At home my memory for this is perfect.
Hans
PS
For thoise who seriously believe that last statement please contact me for a really good offer on a piece of the Eiffeltower. One previous owner, well cared for....
-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:23:55
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: RE: [HECnet] building simh
On the other hand... Adding a soft link (and documenting it - don't ALL
system managers document their system changes???) may be preferred to
changing the makefile because once you change the makefile you OWN its
maintenance. Different strokes for different folks.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 09:17
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] building simh
Ignore him. Adding cruft to your filesystem when you could
simply fix the makefile is a silly suggestion.
Hi Sridhar!! :-P
-brian
On 4/11/2012 9:13 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Sridhar, you are a jolly fellow aren't you ?
Now I thought I understood the way linux uses libraries and
yet you add another mystery Is it because you want to keep
me in a perpetual mystified state of mind?
Hans
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sridhar Ayengar<ploopster at gmail.com>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:52:15
To:<hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: Dave McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] building simh
Dave McGuire wrote:
Is it possible to explain what the magic does?
More precisely: what is the difference between an .a and
an .so library?
I detailed this a few posts ago. .a is a static
library, .so is
a shared library.
How on earth does -lpcap point to /usr/lib?
-lpcap tells the linker to look in every directory in
the library
search path to find either libpcap.a or libpcap.so.
This library lives in /usr/lib on most systems, but the simh
makefile hard-coding that path (and hard-coding it to only
find the
static
library) is a big mistake.
It is, but why not just symlink it for the time being?
Peace... Sridhar
On the other hand... Adding a soft link (and documenting it - don't ALL
system managers document their system changes???) may be preferred to
changing the makefile because once you change the makefile you OWN its
maintenance. Different strokes for different folks.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 09:17
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] building simh
Ignore him. Adding cruft to your filesystem when you could
simply fix the makefile is a silly suggestion.
Hi Sridhar!! :-P
-brian
On 4/11/2012 9:13 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Sridhar, you are a jolly fellow aren't you ?
Now I thought I understood the way linux uses libraries and
yet you add another mystery Is it because you want to keep
me in a perpetual mystified state of mind?
Hans
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sridhar Ayengar<ploopster at gmail.com>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:52:15
To:<hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: Dave McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] building simh
Dave McGuire wrote:
Is it possible to explain what the magic does?
More precisely: what is the difference between an .a and
an .so library?
I detailed this a few posts ago. .a is a static
library, .so is
a shared library.
How on earth does -lpcap point to /usr/lib?
-lpcap tells the linker to look in every directory in
the library
search path to find either libpcap.a or libpcap.so.
This library lives in /usr/lib on most systems, but the simh
makefile hard-coding that path (and hard-coding it to only
find the
static
library) is a big mistake.
It is, but why not just symlink it for the time being?
Peace... Sridhar
Ignore him. Adding cruft to your filesystem when you could simply fix the makefile is a silly suggestion.
Hi Sridhar!! :-P
-brian
On 4/11/2012 9:13 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Sridhar, you are a jolly fellow aren't you ?
Now I thought I understood the way linux uses libraries and yet you add another mystery Is it because you want to keep me in a perpetual mystified state of mind?
Hans
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sridhar Ayengar<ploopster at gmail.com>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:52:15
To:<hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: Dave McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] building simh
Dave McGuire wrote:
Is it possible to explain what the magic does?
More precisely: what is the difference between an .a and an .so library?
I detailed this a few posts ago. .a is a static library, .so is a
shared library.
How on earth does -lpcap point to /usr/lib?
-lpcap tells the linker to look in every directory in the library
search path to find either libpcap.a or libpcap.so.
This library lives in /usr/lib on most systems, but the simh makefile
hard-coding that path (and hard-coding it to only find the static
library) is a big mistake.
It is, but why not just symlink it for the time being?
Peace... Sridhar
Sridhar, you are a jolly fellow aren't you ?
Now I thought I understood the way linux uses libraries and yet you add another mystery Is it because you want to keep me in a perpetual mystified state of mind?
Hans
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:52:15
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: Dave McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] building simh
Dave McGuire wrote:
Is it possible to explain what the magic does?
More precisely: what is the difference between an .a and an .so library?
I detailed this a few posts ago. .a is a static library, .so is a
shared library.
How on earth does -lpcap point to /usr/lib?
-lpcap tells the linker to look in every directory in the library
search path to find either libpcap.a or libpcap.so.
This library lives in /usr/lib on most systems, but the simh makefile
hard-coding that path (and hard-coding it to only find the static
library) is a big mistake.
It is, but why not just symlink it for the time being?
Peace... Sridhar
Dave McGuire wrote:
This is OS-dependent, but it's usually LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Some OSs have
a system-wide configuration for that (Solaris has the "crle" system for
example) which can then be overridden by the environment variable.
I really like ld.so.conf on BSD systems.
Peace... Sridhar
Dave McGuire wrote:
Is it possible to explain what the magic does?
More precisely: what is the difference between an .a and an .so library?
I detailed this a few posts ago. .a is a static library, .so is a
shared library.
How on earth does -lpcap point to /usr/lib?
-lpcap tells the linker to look in every directory in the library
search path to find either libpcap.a or libpcap.so.
This library lives in /usr/lib on most systems, but the simh makefile
hard-coding that path (and hard-coding it to only find the static
library) is a big mistake.
It is, but why not just symlink it for the time being?
Peace... Sridhar
Only my end does. DCL scripts work GREAT!
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 03:13
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if
dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots
of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly
as I still
haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going to get crazy
again for a while here.
-brian
Ah ok.
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 14:28, Brian Hechinger wrote:
No but Steve wrote some scripts to automate the process of changing the ip on his end.
-brian
On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly as
I still haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going
to get crazy again for a while here.
-brian
No but Steve wrote some scripts to automate the process of changing the ip on his end.
-brian
On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly as
I still haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going
to get crazy again for a while here.
-brian
Rhesus should be up next week, so the infosearch stuff will work from then on..
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 11:04, Mark Wickens wrote:
Guys,
hecnet.eu is up again. It'll be up for a few days now.
I'll endeavor to get the squid cache working.
Mark.
On 11/04/12 08:13, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly as
I still haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going
to get crazy again for a while here.
-brian
Guys,
hecnet.eu is up again. It'll be up for a few days now.
I'll endeavor to get the squid cache working.
Mark.
On 11/04/12 08:13, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly as
I still haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going
to get crazy again for a while here.
-brian
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly as
I still haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going
to get crazy again for a while here.
-brian
Multinet works with dynamic IPs now?
Sampsa
On 11 Apr 2012, at 03:50, Steve Davidson wrote:
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly as
I still haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going
to get crazy again for a while here.
-brian
Send me your IP address (if static) or domain name (if dynamic) and I
will create the necessary link for you here. This end is
bridge.declab.net (69.21.253.158).
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:32
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your
database as a
simh VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at
work) I'll
get back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully
Area 61 will
be online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one
Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020,
possibly others as
I get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly as
I still haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going
to get crazy again for a while here.
-brian
OK, thanks Dave
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Dave McGuire
Verzonden: dinsdag, april 2012 21:06
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] building simh
On 04/10/2012 02:38 PM, H Vlems wrote:
the -l switch is clear. The static and dynamic libraries are still vague.
Is the behaviour of a dynamic library similar to what VMS does when you
link
an object file to one of the RTL libraries? Which means it gets linked to
an
entry point and you can upgrade the RTL and the executable will keep
working
(provided the entry point is still there)?
A static library's behaviour is like linking with object libraries where
part of the library is copied into the resulting .exe file?
Yes, basically. Code in a static library gets embedded into the
executable at link time, whereas in a dynamic library, the dynamic
linker pulls in the contents of the .so file and resolves all of the
symbol references at run time.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 04/10/2012 02:38 PM, H Vlems wrote:
the -l switch is clear. The static and dynamic libraries are still vague.
Is the behaviour of a dynamic library similar to what VMS does when you link
an object file to one of the RTL libraries? Which means it gets linked to an
entry point and you can upgrade the RTL and the executable will keep working
(provided the entry point is still there)?
A static library's behaviour is like linking with object libraries where
part of the library is copied into the resulting .exe file?
Yes, basically. Code in a static library gets embedded into the
executable at link time, whereas in a dynamic library, the dynamic
linker pulls in the contents of the .so file and resolves all of the
symbol references at run time.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 04/10/2012 03:01 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Well that explains a lot. Mains power in the Netherlands costs around 23
eurocents per kWhr, that's about US$ 0.32 per kWhr (I'm not to sure what the
Euro is worth these days).
Here it is about $0.10/kWh. That is a commercial rate because I'm in
a commercial building with a three-phase feed. The residential rate in
this part of the country runs a bit higher.
Last year my house(hold) used 5400 kWhr, having two teenage daughters who
can't close a door behind them nor turn a light off doesn't help either :-)
My financee' does the same thing. :-)
Two years ago with more equipment turned on we (well my hobby :) used nearly
8000 kWh. So we're doing a lot better now. STill no reason to run heavy iron
like AS1200's or a DS20E.
They do have a nice "aura" though.
The emulated area router for area 44 is nice though! At least I can see 'my'
area in the list on hecnet.eu..
Very nice!! I am very excited about getting connected. I just need a
little more time and I'll be there.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Well that explains a lot. Mains power in the Netherlands costs around 23
eurocents per kWhr, that's about US$ 0.32 per kWhr (I'm not to sure what the
Euro is worth these days).
Last year my house(hold) used 5400 kWhr, having two teenage daughters who
can't close a door behind them nor turn a light off doesn't help either :-)
Two years ago with more equipment turned on we (well my hobby :) used nearly
8000 kWh. So we're doing a lot better now. STill no reason to run heavy iron
like AS1200's or a DS20E.
The emulated area router for area 44 is nice though! At least I can see 'my'
area in the list on hecnet.eu..
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Dave McGuire
Verzonden: dinsdag, april 2012 20:46
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 status
On 04/10/2012 02:32 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Is electricity free where you live ???
Hardly, but I just moved to a place where it costs MUCH less than
where I used to live. Besides, the DS10L pulls almost no power, and the
VAX I'm considering running full-time is a 4000VLC, which pulls even less.
As for the rest, remember that I am constructing a museum here.
I'd love to have a couple of machines up and running, the extra mains
power
bill would be a little too much for my wallet. A DS10L isn't that bad
probably but even a VAXstation 4000-VLC adds about 20 euro's to the
monthly
power bill. Let alone running a couple of power hungry Alpha Server 1200's
and Digital Server 5305's!
My power bill here (remember this is a 14,000 square foot commercial
building) is about $275/mo. About $190 of that is my production
network, which I use for work as well as everything else.
In the summer with air conditioning, that will go up, but we're not
sure how much yet as we've just recently moved into this building.
Contrast that to what I had been paying, $700/mo in the summer,
$550/mo in the winter living in Florida, running air conditioning
24x7x265. We are MUCH happier here in Pennsylvania. (and plus there's
actual work to be found, which there isn't in Florida!)
My production network currently consists of:
Cisco 7200 VXR router
Cisco Catalyst 3548XL switch
Cisco Catalyst 3508XL switch
Sun V480 server (quad UltraSPARC III+), sixteen drives
HP DL585 VMware host (quad Opteron), four drives
Sun Netra V100 (DNS server)
80-slot SDLT tape library for backups
But also note that this network is how I make a living, maintain
communication with the outside world, and provide services for friends
and some other companies that I want to support.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 04/10/2012 02:32 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Is electricity free where you live ???
Hardly, but I just moved to a place where it costs MUCH less than
where I used to live. Besides, the DS10L pulls almost no power, and the
VAX I'm considering running full-time is a 4000VLC, which pulls even less.
As for the rest, remember that I am constructing a museum here.
I'd love to have a couple of machines up and running, the extra mains power
bill would be a little too much for my wallet. A DS10L isn't that bad
probably but even a VAXstation 4000-VLC adds about 20 euro's to the monthly
power bill. Let alone running a couple of power hungry Alpha Server 1200's
and Digital Server 5305's!
My power bill here (remember this is a 14,000 square foot commercial
building) is about $275/mo. About $190 of that is my production
network, which I use for work as well as everything else.
In the summer with air conditioning, that will go up, but we're not
sure how much yet as we've just recently moved into this building.
Contrast that to what I had been paying, $700/mo in the summer,
$550/mo in the winter living in Florida, running air conditioning
24x7x265. We are MUCH happier here in Pennsylvania. (and plus there's
actual work to be found, which there isn't in Florida!)
My production network currently consists of:
Cisco 7200 VXR router
Cisco Catalyst 3548XL switch
Cisco Catalyst 3508XL switch
Sun V480 server (quad UltraSPARC III+), sixteen drives
HP DL585 VMware host (quad Opteron), four drives
Sun Netra V100 (DNS server)
80-slot SDLT tape library for backups
But also note that this network is how I make a living, maintain
communication with the outside world, and provide services for friends
and some other companies that I want to support.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I'm happy to offer a tunnel to GORVAX as well, should you want one.
Sampsa
On 10 Apr 2012, at 21:32, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/10/2012 02:24 PM, H Vlems wrote:
Thanks to Oleg's suggestion area 44 will be on-line more often...
Johnny please be so kind to add AR44 (44.1023) to your database as a simh
VAX3900 running VAX/VMS 6.1?
Woohoo!
If I survive the next two days (really bad deadline at work) I'll get
back to hacking on tunnels with Brian, and hopefully Area 61 will be
online shortly thereafter. I plan to run at least one Alpha DS10L
full-time, and likely a VAX or two as well, and then lots of other
machines sporadically. (PDP-11/70, DECsystem-2020, possibly others as I
get them running)
I'd get a multinet tunnel to Steve Davidson first, mainly as I still haven't heard back from my ISP and things are going to get crazy again for a while here.
-brian
Dave,
the -l switch is clear. The static and dynamic libraries are still vague.
Is the behaviour of a dynamic library similar to what VMS does when you link
an object file to one of the RTL libraries? Which means it gets linked to an
entry point and you can upgrade the RTL and the executable will keep working
(provided the entry point is still there)?
A static library's behaviour is like linking with object libraries where
part of the library is copied into the resulting .exe file?
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Dave McGuire
Verzonden: dinsdag, april 2012 20:29
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] building simh
On 04/10/2012 02:26 PM, H Vlems wrote:
yes I know you did but the terms static and dynamic library just didn't
register.
Ahh ok. Do you understand the difference now? If not I can type up
an explanation of how it all works.
Are .so and .a libraries interchangeable for the linker, i.e. would this
have worked too:
NETWORK_OPT = -DUSE_NETWORK -isystem /usr/local/include
/usr/lib/libpcap.so
This is compiler-dependent, but it generally should work. The
"proper" way to link against a library, though, is to use "-l<libname>"
on the link command.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
