On 04/28/2012 09:07 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
I have three cisco boxes for my DECnet and would be happy to do a
GRE tunnel..
Peter! It's great to see you in this gang. It has been a long time;
I hope you're doing well. Drop me a note sometime and let me know
what's been going on over there.
If you and Brian and I set up three tunnels between us, will IOS do
spanning tree between them?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 04/28/2012 08:26 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I'm interested in that option as well.
I have a couple of Cisco 2500's. Which IOS version is needed?
c2500-d-l (requires 8MB DRAM) - IP/IPX/AT/DEC feature set
or :
c2500-js-l (requires 16MB DRAM) ENTERPRISE PLUS feature set
both require 16MB Flash.
I can download both of them just as soon as Cisco fixes my CCO account.
AGAIN.
For the 6th or 7th time in 2-3 months.
This is getting rather annoying.
Yes. I happen to have those images; they're up at:
http://www.neurotica.com/misc/ios/
I'll leave them there for a few days.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 4/28/2012 9:07 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
Dave McGuire and I have a GRE tunnel with decnet routed over it on our
cisco routers.
It works!
It's easy, too!
If you have a cisco router and want to play let me know. If you don't
have the right version of IOS I can get it for you.
-brian
I have three cisco boxes for my DECnet and would be happy to do a
GRE tunnel..
What IP address(es) should I point my tunnel(s) at?
My end will be bart.4amlunch.net (216.15.64.181).
-brian
On 4/28/2012 2:49 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/28/2012 02:38 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I would be extremely surprised to find that both GRE and DECnet weren't to be found in 11 let alone 12. It's more likely to be a feature set issue.
It's definitely a feature set issue. The last time I did anything
with GRE (before this anyway) was between a 2501 and an AGS+; the former
was running IOS 10 and the latter 11. DECnet support in IOS goes back a
good bit before that, which shouldn't be surprising given the history
(and reason for existence) of Cisco.
I don't think getting GRE support should be an issue, I believe that's included in all versions, you just have to make sure you get the right version for DECnet.
Cisco has a feature navigator tool on their website. That can be used to figure it out.
I've not tried that yet. That sounds very handy.
http://tools.cisco.com/ITDIT/CFN/jsp/index.jsp
The CCIE at work pointed me to that. Very helpful.
-brian
On 4/28/2012 1:23 PM, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
I'm interested in that option as well.
I have a couple of Cisco 2500's. Which IOS version is needed?
c2500-d-l (requires 8MB DRAM) - IP/IPX/AT/DEC feature set
or :
c2500-js-l (requires 16MB DRAM) ENTERPRISE PLUS feature set
both require 16MB Flash.
I can download both of them just as soon as Cisco fixes my CCO account.
AGAIN.
For the 6th or 7th time in 2-3 months.
This is getting rather annoying.
-brian
On 04/28/2012 02:57 PM, Kari UusimC$ki wrote:
I have also the 11.x IOS manual. I have to check there if GRE is
mentioned with DECnet.
But if someone knows the answer, please tell.
GRE doesn't need to specifically support DECnet; it should happily
tunnel anything. All you need to do is set "decnet cost <n>" on your
tunnel interface.
-Dave
GRE tunnels use the ethertype to indicate the protocol being
encapsulated. In the case of DECnet routing on C the tunnel is treated
as Ethernet between two routers. Unfortenly the RFC's are a mess, the
"mobile world" showed up to help..
You can also use l2tpv3 and make a ethernet bridge like Johnny's.
(but, use the router...)
(Xconnect the two ethernet port you want to bridge between..)
-P
On 04/28/2012 02:57 PM, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
I have also the 11.x IOS manual. I have to check there if GRE is
mentioned with DECnet.
But if someone knows the answer, please tell.
GRE doesn't need to specifically support DECnet; it should happily
tunnel anything. All you need to do is set "decnet cost <n>" on your
tunnel interface.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Dave McGuire and I have a GRE tunnel with decnet routed over it on our
cisco routers.
It works!
It's easy, too!
If you have a cisco router and want to play let me know. If you don't
have the right version of IOS I can get it for you.
-brian
I have three cisco boxes for my DECnet and would be happy to do a
GRE tunnel..
The 11.x does have DECnet routing for sure. Even the 9.x had DECnet routing, because the DECbrouter90's came with IOS 9.x and then both DECnet and OSI routing was included. But I'm not sure when GRE was introduced. I have the 9.x manuals for the DECbrouter90's but I'm not sure if DECnet can be tunneled using the tunneling which was in that version. In the manuals there aren't anything mentioned about that.
I have also the 11.x IOS manual. I have to check there if GRE is mentioned with DECnet.
But if someone knows the answer, please tell.
Regards,
Kari
On 28.4.2012 21:38, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I would be extremely surprised to find that both GRE and DECnet weren't to be found in 11 let alone 12. It's more likely to be a feature set issue.
Cisco has a feature navigator tool on their website. That can be used to figure it out.
-brian
On Apr 28, 2012, at 14:19, Dave McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
This doesn't require much horsepower; a 2500 should be more than
enough. I don't recall when GRE was introduced in IOS, but it's nowhere
near recent. We'll just have to figure out which 2500 IOS release has
both GRE and DECnet support.
-Dave
On 04/28/2012 01:23 PM, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
I'm interested in that option as well.
I have a couple of Cisco 2500's. Which IOS version is needed?
Regards,
Kari
On 28.4.2012 20:14, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Dave McGuire and I have a GRE tunnel with decnet routed over it on our
cisco routers.
It works!
It's easy, too!
If you have a cisco router and want to play let me know. If you don't
have the right version of IOS I can get it for you.
-brian
.
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
.
On 04/28/2012 02:28 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn't tell you. I'll check when I get a chance and get back to you.
A quick check you could do is:
conf t
decnet ?
If you get a list of sub-commands you should be good to go.
If you don't, email me a list of the exact models of routers, the amount of ram they have and the amount of flash they have and I'll get you the latest images.
He may have a flash and RAM issue; the 2501 tops out at (if memory
serves) 16MB of RAM. I don't recall how much flash they can take
offhand. 2500s run from flash, as opposed to loading the contents into
RAM and executing from there, which is a nice advantage for reducing
memory requirements for a given feature set.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 04/28/2012 02:38 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I would be extremely surprised to find that both GRE and DECnet weren't to be found in 11 let alone 12. It's more likely to be a feature set issue.
It's definitely a feature set issue. The last time I did anything
with GRE (before this anyway) was between a 2501 and an AGS+; the former
was running IOS 10 and the latter 11. DECnet support in IOS goes back a
good bit before that, which shouldn't be surprising given the history
(and reason for existence) of Cisco.
Cisco has a feature navigator tool on their website. That can be used to figure it out.
I've not tried that yet. That sounds very handy.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I would be extremely surprised to find that both GRE and DECnet weren't to be found in 11 let alone 12. It's more likely to be a feature set issue.
Cisco has a feature navigator tool on their website. That can be used to figure it out.
-brian
On Apr 28, 2012, at 14:19, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
This doesn't require much horsepower; a 2500 should be more than
enough. I don't recall when GRE was introduced in IOS, but it's nowhere
near recent. We'll just have to figure out which 2500 IOS release has
both GRE and DECnet support.
-Dave
On 04/28/2012 01:23 PM, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
I'm interested in that option as well.
I have a couple of Cisco 2500's. Which IOS version is needed?
Regards,
Kari
On 28.4.2012 20:14, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Dave McGuire and I have a GRE tunnel with decnet routed over it on our
cisco routers.
It works!
It's easy, too!
If you have a cisco router and want to play let me know. If you don't
have the right version of IOS I can get it for you.
-brian
.
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Off the top of my head I couldn't tell you. I'll check when I get a chance and get back to you.
A quick check you could do is:
conf t
decnet ?
If you get a list of sub-commands you should be good to go.
If you don't, email me a list of the exact models of routers, the amount of ram they have and the amount of flash they have and I'll get you the latest images.
-brian
On Apr 28, 2012, at 13:23, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
I'm interested in that option as well.
I have a couple of Cisco 2500's. Which IOS version is needed?
Regards,
Kari
On 28.4.2012 20:14, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Dave McGuire and I have a GRE tunnel with decnet routed over it on our
cisco routers.
It works!
It's easy, too!
If you have a cisco router and want to play let me know. If you don't
have the right version of IOS I can get it for you.
-brian
.
This doesn't require much horsepower; a 2500 should be more than
enough. I don't recall when GRE was introduced in IOS, but it's nowhere
near recent. We'll just have to figure out which 2500 IOS release has
both GRE and DECnet support.
-Dave
On 04/28/2012 01:23 PM, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
I'm interested in that option as well.
I have a couple of Cisco 2500's. Which IOS version is needed?
Regards,
Kari
On 28.4.2012 20:14, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Dave McGuire and I have a GRE tunnel with decnet routed over it on our
cisco routers.
It works!
It's easy, too!
If you have a cisco router and want to play let me know. If you don't
have the right version of IOS I can get it for you.
-brian
.
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I'm interested in that option as well.
I have a couple of Cisco 2500's. Which IOS version is needed?
Regards,
Kari
On 28.4.2012 20:14, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Dave McGuire and I have a GRE tunnel with decnet routed over it on our
cisco routers.
It works!
It's easy, too!
If you have a cisco router and want to play let me know. If you don't
have the right version of IOS I can get it for you.
-brian
.
Dave McGuire and I have a GRE tunnel with decnet routed over it on our cisco routers.
It works!
It's easy, too!
If you have a cisco router and want to play let me know. If you don't have the right version of IOS I can get it for you.
-brian
Sorry, Alastair. I've been rather busy, but I did see your mails. I'll get to it later today, I hope.
Anyway, the config looks ok. If you are available later today/tonight, we could try get you up and running...
Johnny
On 2012-04-26 02:57, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
G'day,
I'll send here because I suspect my emails late last week to Mr Bilquist
may have been consigned to a junk mail folder. I wanted to (please)
apply for a HECnet address initially for one my main VAX at home, later
the 11's after I get some more time to work on the hardware.
I managed to get the bridge software to compile under IRIX 6.5.29 via
GCC 4.6. MIPSPro refused with a couple of trivial errors. I believe I
have the config file correctly set up and the ports.
The relevant bits of my conf look like:
!START
[bridge]
local ec0
update tempo.update.uu.se:4711
[decnet]
local
update
[lat]
local
update
!EOF
Port 4711 is forwarded to my system correctly through firewalls. My
external static ip is 202.168.106.176/ns4.reboot.net.au
Suggestions/constructive abuse welcome :)
Regards,
Al.
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
G'day,
I'll send here because I suspect my emails late last week to Mr Bilquist
may have been consigned to a junk mail folder. I wanted to (please)
apply for a HECnet address initially for one my main VAX at home, later
the 11's after I get some more time to work on the hardware.
I managed to get the bridge software to compile under IRIX 6.5.29 via
GCC 4.6. MIPSPro refused with a couple of trivial errors. I believe I
have the config file correctly set up and the ports.
The relevant bits of my conf look like:
!START
[bridge]
local ec0
update tempo.update.uu.se:4711
[decnet]
local
update
[lat]
local
update
!EOF
Port 4711 is forwarded to my system correctly through firewalls. My
external static ip is 202.168.106.176/ns4.reboot.net.au
Suggestions/constructive abuse welcome :)
Regards,
Al.
On 2012-04-19 01:32, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-04-18 06:04, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-04-15 04:49, Oleg Safiullin wrote:
Hmm, putting it all in some file, that can be read?
You can create a virtual terminal for CGI task and pass data through
terminal I/O :)
Oh well, another wasted night and I now have a rough CGI interface to my
web server...
Anyone curious should just ask me how to do things for now. It's not at
all difficult, but it's also not properly finished yet. But there is a
page linked from the home page on madame which have dynamic content.
And after a bunch of additional wasted hours, I now have working CGI
using both GET and POST for RSX.
It's pretty simply, really. The best example is in
MIM::US:[BQT]PUBLIC.HTM. Notice lines that have targets starting with CGI:
Those give programs that will be run. The program will be run logged in
to a virtual terminal, and logical names will be set up for various
pieces of information.
The program is expected to output lines that are to be in the header of
the response first, followed by an empty line, and after that it's all
HTML.
With a GET, the arguments will be in an logical name.
With a POST, the values will be fed to the input of the CGI program. One
line at a time, where each line is defined as the splitting point by the
'&' character. When all input data have been processed, you get an EOF,
and then you start outputting data as above.
Two short examples:
http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/test1 (uses GET)
http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/test2 (uses POST)
The actual programs run are MIM::US:[BQT]TESTF1.CMD and TESTF2.CMD,
which are both just IND programs. Really simple. You can, of course,
write your programs in any language you like.
Also, at this writing, the following logical names are defined:
HTTP_CONTENT
HTTP_HOST
HTTP_METHOD
HTTP_REFERER
HTTP_UAG
HTTP_URI
REMOTE_ADDR
REMOTE_PORT
Try the test programs, look at the sources, and play around. Bug reports
are as always welcome.
And I forgot
QUERY_STRING
(if it's a GET...)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2012-04-18 06:04, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-04-15 04:49, Oleg Safiullin wrote:
Hmm, putting it all in some file, that can be read?
You can create a virtual terminal for CGI task and pass data through
terminal I/O :)
Oh well, another wasted night and I now have a rough CGI interface to my
web server...
Anyone curious should just ask me how to do things for now. It's not at
all difficult, but it's also not properly finished yet. But there is a
page linked from the home page on madame which have dynamic content.
And after a bunch of additional wasted hours, I now have working CGI using both GET and POST for RSX.
It's pretty simply, really. The best example is in MIM::US:[BQT]PUBLIC.HTM. Notice lines that have targets starting with CGI:
Those give programs that will be run. The program will be run logged in to a virtual terminal, and logical names will be set up for various pieces of information.
The program is expected to output lines that are to be in the header of the response first, followed by an empty line, and after that it's all HTML.
With a GET, the arguments will be in an logical name.
With a POST, the values will be fed to the input of the CGI program. One line at a time, where each line is defined as the splitting point by the '&' character. When all input data have been processed, you get an EOF, and then you start outputting data as above.
Two short examples:
http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/test1 (uses GET)
http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/test2 (uses POST)
The actual programs run are MIM::US:[BQT]TESTF1.CMD and TESTF2.CMD, which are both just IND programs. Really simple. You can, of course, write your programs in any language you like.
Also, at this writing, the following logical names are defined:
HTTP_CONTENT
HTTP_HOST
HTTP_METHOD
HTTP_REFERER
HTTP_UAG
HTTP_URI
REMOTE_ADDR
REMOTE_PORT
Try the test programs, look at the sources, and play around. Bug reports are as always welcome.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2012-04-15 04:49, Oleg Safiullin wrote:
Hmm, putting it all in some file, that can be read?
You can create a virtual terminal for CGI task and pass data through
terminal I/O :)
Oh well, another wasted night and I now have a rough CGI interface to my web server...
Anyone curious should just ask me how to do things for now. It's not at all difficult, but it's also not properly finished yet. But there is a page linked from the home page on madame which have dynamic content.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I know now!
Thanks for bursting the bubble on the myth!
Sent from my iPad
On 17 Apr 2012, at 18:50, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
But I hope everyone knows that the slogan is an urban myth...
There was a slogan, but it was actually "Nothing sucks like an Electrolux".
Someone got creative since both VAX and Electrolux made vacuum cleaners, and now we had the VAX computer - it was just a small change to the slogan...
Johnny
On 2012-04-17 19.40, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
I remember that those pictures showed up at DEC within days of the VAX 11/780 announcement...
paul
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:39 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Nothing sucks like a VAX...
On 04/17/2012 12:59 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
My father just bought this, found it amusing...
ROFL!!
But I hope everyone knows that the slogan is an urban myth...
There was a slogan, but it was actually "Nothing sucks like an Electrolux".
Someone got creative since both VAX and Electrolux made vacuum cleaners, and now we had the VAX computer - it was just a small change to the slogan...
Johnny
On 2012-04-17 19.40, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
I remember that those pictures showed up at DEC within days of the VAX 11/780 announcement...
paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:39 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Nothing sucks like a VAX...
On 04/17/2012 12:59 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
My father just bought this, found it amusing...
ROFL!!
I remember that those pictures showed up at DEC within days of the VAX 11/780 announcement...
paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:39 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Nothing sucks like a VAX...
On 04/17/2012 12:59 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
My father just bought this, found it amusing...
ROFL!!
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
