On 15 Jun 2012, at 07:35, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
3. Can it be called "PIVAX"?
There don't seem to exist a PIVAX today, so sure.
I am using PIVAX(n) as my cluster nodes. I'd suggest avoiding it to
prevent confusion. :)
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Hi, Tony. Sorry for not answering earlier... Busy...
On 2012-06-15 03:34, Tony Blews wrote:
Hi,
I've just joined the list.
Welcome.
I'm Tony, and I worked with VMS and Ultrix boxes and DECnet back in the
late 80s/early 90s.
I'm currently running an emulated MicroVAX with OpenVMS 7.3 on a single
board computer the size of a cigarette pack (The Raspberry Pi).
Having played about with TCP/IP and getting the webserver running, I
thought it might be a nice idea to get DECnet up.
Sure, I could just set up a local one within the house to connect
various emulations, but that just seems too easy.
So, my questions:
1. Is HECnet still active?
Yes.
2. Can I add my "machine"?
Of course.
3. Can it be called "PIVAX"?
There don't seem to exist a PIVAX today, so sure.
I already have a separate Linux box running (the house file server), so
installing the bridge software isn't a problem.
Sounds good. Let's talk outside of this list, and we'll get you running.
Johnny
Well, thats about normal for me :)
The fecker is up and webserving anyway, http://recondite.dyndns-free.com/
And yes, sci-fi folk, "recondite" is a reference to Star Cops.
Tony.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Quite amusing, you just missed a HUGE thread on running SIMH on a Pi :)
Quite amusing, you just missed a HUGE thread on running SIMH on a Pi :)
Welcome to the gang, Johnny Billquist is the chap to talk to re: nodes etc.
Sampsa
On 15 Jun 2012, at 02:34, Tony Blews wrote:
Hi,
I've just joined the list.
I'm Tony, and I worked with VMS and Ultrix boxes and DECnet back in the late 80s/early 90s.
I'm currently running an emulated MicroVAX with OpenVMS 7.3 on a single board computer the size of a cigarette pack (The Raspberry Pi).
Having played about with TCP/IP and getting the webserver running, I thought it might be a nice idea to get DECnet up.
Sure, I could just set up a local one within the house to connect various emulations, but that just seems too easy.
So, my questions:
1. Is HECnet still active?
2. Can I add my "machine"?
3. Can it be called "PIVAX"?
I already have a separate Linux box running (the house file server), so installing the bridge software isn't a problem.
Tony Blews.
Hi,
I've just joined the list.
I'm Tony, and I worked with VMS and Ultrix boxes and DECnet back in the late 80s/early 90s.
I'm currently running an emulated MicroVAX with OpenVMS 7.3 on a single board computer the size of a cigarette pack (The Raspberry Pi).
Having played about with TCP/IP and getting the webserver running, I thought it might be a nice idea to get DECnet up.
Sure, I could just set up a local one within the house to connect various emulations, but that just seems too easy.
So, my questions:
1. Is HECnet still active?
2. Can I add my "machine"?
3. Can it be called "PIVAX"?
I already have a separate Linux box running (the house file server), so installing the bridge software isn't a problem.
Tony Blews.
I see. I would've imagined they were worse. I do recall early in the
piece when the 233 ev45 (?) multia came out to replace the 166Mhz one, I
was called in when one went fut in the office at "Not Nice O'Clock" as
one was left on with NT4.0 and the "Okay to power off" (or what ever the
message was) screen which had been shutdown by one of our punters and
the idle loop was a busy one which after many hours of max current draw
had allowed the machine to put in a credible impersonation of the
Chernobyl disaster and had emitted enough toxins to trip the fire alarm.
There was words spoken with the employee and a call to DEC who amazingly
replaced it on the quiet. I suspect they were worried about fires in
offices for a while.
Al.
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Mark Benson
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 4:05 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] [Simh] Pi VAX Cluster
On 14 Jun 2012, at 00:45, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
Someone needs to revive the VT525 case and make a DEC Multia again
with
an i7 in it. Should last about the same length of time thermally. :P
Al.
Actually, with the right fans, a Multia-shape/size case would be fine
with a n i7
in. They are very thermally efficient.
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On 14 Jun 2012, at 00:45, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
Someone needs to revive the VT525 case and make a DEC Multia again with
an i7 in it. Should last about the same length of time thermally. :P
Al.
Actually, with the right fans, a Multia-shape/size case would be fine with a n i7 in. They are very thermally efficient.
--
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http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
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Hi Mark,
Thanks for the clarification. Not sure why I thought it was ARMv6.
Still, I have an Rpi on order and due sometime in the next several
years. I'd like ideally to replace some systems I have such as the
TheoLinux router to save some power. More ram though :) I still wonder
about heat.
Also this VIA seems to have 2gb onboard flash + the weenySD slot.
Al.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Mark Benson
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 5:08 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] [Simh] Pi VAX Cluster
On 13 Jun 2012, at 01:04, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
This looks like it might be cute to run SIMH on.. there was the Rpi
VAX cluster
doing the rounds yesterday, but these things came out today (..wonder
what
tomorrow will bring) for $49 .. with twice the ram, 800Mhz ARMv11 core
(Rpi is
ARMv6 afair? Please correct me).
http://apc.io/
No, the Raspberry Pi CPU is ARM11 (note, no v) 700MHz Broadcom BCM2835
SoC
which is ARMv6 (the Linux distro I run debian armv6l). It's quite
confusing,
there are a few number schemes that all relate to different things
with ARM
and I don't fully understand them.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
That so-called 'APC8750' board is a VIA Neo-ITX board also. The CPU
setup looks
almost identical to the RPi one save for the extra RAM and 100MHz.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/VIA-APC-8750-WonderMedia-ARM-
Neo-ITX,15721.html
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Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
HECnet: STAR69::MARK
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Someone needs to revive the VT525 case and make a DEC Multia again with
an i7 in it. Should last about the same length of time thermally. :P
Al.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Mark Wickens
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 10:05 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] [Simh] Pi VAX Cluster
Talking of small hardware, I would have thought that the latest i7
with
built in video would be a good candidate for a small motherboard.
Anyone know if there are any miniITX etc. planned for such a beast?
Mark.
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A place like the classiccmp newsgroup is a better bet. Please do not abuse this list.
Johnny
On 2012-06-13 16:53, Patrick J. Jankowiak wrote:
Hello,
I apologize for the off topic post but this Osborne 1A in California
needs a home and I have nowhere else to turn. I do not collect any more
but people still occasionally turn to me with an offer or to find a home
for their unwanted yet classic computers. The message *below* from Don
offers one for the cost of shipping.
Knowing the system type below, a good re-seating, solder touch up, and
cleaning could get it back. They ran hot inside. The 1A incorporated
some improvements for that.
Many pics of this type of system here for anyone interested.
There is probably a terminal program for it, would be an interesting
on-topic use for it.
http://bunkerofdoom.com/computers/osborne1/index.html
Patrick Jankowiak
OpenVMS Hobbyist #1
www.bunkerfodoom.com
*
**On 6/12/2012 11:10 AM, Don Workman wrote: *
**
*If you know someone
that would like to have it and will pay the shipping I will give it away. I
am in Susanville CA.
Thanks,
Don*
*On 6/11/2012 2:10 PM, Workman Consulting wrote:
*
*> Hello,
> I have an Osborne 1a computer complete with all the original software
> disks and manuals. Also the Olympia typewriter that interfaced as a
> printer also the 'internal' modem and an external monitor. The
> adapter for the monitor quit and I don't think I have it anymore. All
> worked a few years ago when I unpacked it except that the B drive had
> trouble reading disks.. I also have the original shipping boxes
> except for the external monitor.
> Let me know if you are interested.
> Thanks,
> Don Workman
> 530-257-8678
> consultant at frontier.com <mailto:consultant at frontier.com>
*
Hello,
I apologize for the off topic post but this Osborne 1A in California needs a home and I have nowhere else to turn. I do not collect any more but people still occasionally turn to me with an offer or to find a home for their unwanted yet classic computers. The message below from Don offers one for the cost of shipping.
Knowing the system type below, a good re-seating, solder touch up, and cleaning could get it back. They ran hot inside. The 1A incorporated some improvements for that.
Many pics of this type of system here for anyone interested.
There is probably a terminal program for it, would be an interesting on-topic use for it.
http://bunkerofdoom.com/computers/osborne1/index.html
Patrick Jankowiak
OpenVMS Hobbyist #1
www.bunkerfodoom.com
On 6/12/2012 11:10 AM, Don Workman wrote:
If you know someone
that would like to have it and will pay the shipping I will give it away. I
am in Susanville CA.
Thanks,
Don
On 6/11/2012 2:10 PM, Workman Consulting wrote:
> Hello,
> I have an Osborne 1a computer complete with all the original software
> disks and manuals. Also the Olympia typewriter that interfaced as a
> printer also the 'internal' modem and an external monitor. The
> adapter for the monitor quit and I don't think I have it anymore. All
> worked a few years ago when I unpacked it except that the B drive had
> trouble reading disks.. I also have the original shipping boxes
> except for the external monitor.
> Let me know if you are interested.
> Thanks,
> Don Workman
> 530-257-8678
> consultant at frontier.com <mailto:consultant at frontier.com>
On 13 Jun 2012, at 13:05, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
Talking of small hardware, I would have thought that the latest i7 with built in video would be a good candidate for a small motherboard.
Anyone know if there are any miniITX etc. planned for such a beast?
Intel DH77DF is a really nice ITX sized Ivy Bridge board. Takes all
i3/5/7 LGA 1155 CPUs pretty much. If you intend on using on-board
graphics ensure you get a **CPU** with it built-in, it's not on the
board on the current Intel chipsets.
--
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http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
Talking of small hardware, I would have thought that the latest i7 with built in video would be a good candidate for a small motherboard.
Anyone know if there are any miniITX etc. planned for such a beast?
Mark.
--
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On 13 Jun 2012, at 01:04, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
This looks like it might be cute to run SIMH on.. there was the Rpi VAX cluster doing the rounds yesterday, but these things came out today (..wonder what tomorrow will bring) for $49 .. with twice the ram, 800Mhz ARMv11 core (Rpi is ARMv6 afair? Please correct me).
http://apc.io/
No, the Raspberry Pi CPU is ARM11 (note, no v) 700MHz Broadcom BCM2835 SoC which is ARMv6 (the Linux distro I run debian armv6l). It's quite confusing, there are a few number schemes that all relate to different things with ARM and I don't fully understand them.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
That so-called 'APC8750' board is a VIA Neo-ITX board also. The CPU setup looks almost identical to the RPi one save for the extra RAM and 100MHz.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/VIA-APC-8750-WonderMedia-ARM-Neo-ITX,15721…
--
Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
HECnet: STAR69::MARK
Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.
This looks like it might be cute to run SIMH on.. there was the Rpi VAX cluster doing the rounds yesterday, but these things came out today (..wonder what tomorrow will bring) for $49 .. with twice the ram, 800Mhz ARMv11 core (Rpi is ARMv6 afair? Please correct me).
http://apc.io/
Al.
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2012 11:06 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Fwd: [Simh] Pi VAX Cluster
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[Simh] Pi VAX Cluster
Date:
Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:59:13 +0100
From:
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To:
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Andrew Back blogged about running a VAX cluster with simh on the Pi
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El 11/06/2012, a les 23:55, gerry77 at mail.com va escriure:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:08:37 +0200, you wrote:
KLH10 does not seem to have an idle loop detection like SIMH does. The Panda
TOPS-20 uses some sort of virtual device to make the host aware if it is
idling, but the regular TOPS-10 monitor does not, so it's using the 100% of
the CPU time of the host virtualbox machine. So if I don't cap it it ends
topping one of the cores of the "real" host machine. And the it gets hot :)
You can easily patch either the actual TOPS-10 monitor or the sources used to
generate a custom monitor. Then it will behave like the TOPS-20 Panda monitor.
KLH10 implements a special device that forces the emulator to sleep until the
next interrupt, e.g. the interval timer. That device does its thing whenever
is "called", and that's just only one single Macro instruction.
If you'll want to give it a try, just ask: it's quite easy... :)
HTH,
That sounds fun, but I have zero knowledge about PDP-10 assembly language :). I pretend to learn a little bit of it, but I haven't done it yet (one more thing in the huge list of thinks I want to learn).
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:08:37 +0200, you wrote:
KLH10 does not seem to have an idle loop detection like SIMH does. The Panda
TOPS-20 uses some sort of virtual device to make the host aware if it is
idling, but the regular TOPS-10 monitor does not, so it's using the 100% of
the CPU time of the host virtualbox machine. So if I don't cap it it ends
topping one of the cores of the "real" host machine. And the it gets hot :)
You can easily patch either the actual TOPS-10 monitor or the sources used to
generate a custom monitor. Then it will behave like the TOPS-20 Panda monitor.
KLH10 implements a special device that forces the emulator to sleep until the
next interrupt, e.g. the interval timer. That device does its thing whenever
is "called", and that's just only one single Macro instruction.
If you'll want to give it a try, just ask: it's quite easy... :)
HTH,
G.
El 10/06/2012, a les 0:33, Peter Lothberg va escriure:
Now I've got another problem. The TOPS-10 node goes yo-yo:
(...)
$
It's outside tops10, I guess, and I'm completely lost there. If my
braincells starts to work I will rember how to log all the DECnet
packets on the -10 side.
--P
Its fixed now. I'm running the PDP-10's in a virtualbox VM, and I'm using a virtualbox feature that allows to cap the %CPU of the host CPU the VM can use. If I cap it to under 40% the virtual ethernet devices begin to drop packets and the yo-yoing begins. Curiously, TOPS-20 is more resilient and, although I see its ethernet dropping as much packets as the TOPS-10 one it does not drop itself from the network...
KLH10 does not seem to have an idle loop detection like SIMH does. The Panda TOPS-20 uses some sort of virtual device to make the host aware if it is idling, but the regular TOPS-10 monitor does not, so it's using the 100% of the CPU time of the host virtualbox machine. So if I don't cap it it ends topping one of the cores of the "real" host machine. And the it gets hot :)
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On 11 Jun 2012, at 16:35, Mark Benson wrote:
He he, well, I guess it's a good name to choose.
How about I make it more generic: mypivax ?? :P
How about VAXPI? ;)
I like to name my hosts after monkeys, think I'd call it LORIS. It's small and slow.
Sampsa
... and I've posted an article about SIMH networking enhancements in version 3.9. I hope I've not done too many mistakes, and that it could be minimally useful :)
http://ancientbits.blogspot.com
Jordi Guillaumes Pons
HECnet BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
The timeout is currently set to 2 billion seconds. This "should" not be
a problem for most people. :-)
I may reduce it to a week if this timeout causes me any grief.
It was still going up and down.
I did shut the circuit down on my side to improve overall stability,
let me knew when there is any progress in conecting to the Internet.
-P
On 08/06/12 08:35, Mark Wickens wrote:
There are copies of WordPerfect for Solaris currently available on ebay UK.
I asked the question about WordPerfect for VMS on comp.os.vms - turns out there is a company still selling it. However, when I mentioned I was a hobbyist the communications went silent.
Mark.
Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 06/07/2012 11:37 PM, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
> There was wordperfect on VMS? Wow.
>
> I used to use the shared version of it on SCO in the early 90's. I
> didn't know there was a VMS version. That'd be interesting to see.
There was even a version for SunOS, with a fairly respectable WYSIWYG
GUI. I used that quite a bit Back In The Day(tm). I think I still have
it somewhere.
Those binaries will likely run under current Solaris on UltraSPARC;
I've been amazed at the degree of both architectural and ABI
compatibility between BSD-based SunOS 4 and SysV-based Solaris.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Quick update,
I received my WordPerfect for Unix package today.
Two very hefty manuals, an installation guide and three CDROMs.
Although the ebay advert mentions SUNOS/Solaris the following are also included:
HP-UX, RS/6000 AIX, SCO, UnixWare and AT&T GIS 3000, SGI, Siemens Nixdorf
Unfortunately no Digital Unix/tru64, which is what I was secretly hoping for :(
Mark.
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On 11 Jun 2012, at 16:04, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
Is it possible for your router to tell that two NICs are on one machine?
Yes, it has some stupid hostname autodiscovery thing that gets the
hostname on Windows and *nix boxes without me assigning it to the
hardware MAC address. It got royally confused by seeing the same
hostname at 2 different MAC addresses. Even when I manually assigned
statuc IPs and separate names it still couldn't sort itself out.
He he, well, I guess it's a good name to choose.
How about I make it more generic: mypivax ?? :P
How about VAXPI? ;)
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On 11/06/12 15:08, Mark Benson wrote:
On 11 Jun 2012, at 14:49, Mark Wickens<mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
After a lot of messing to do with networking (am now using a USB network stick as a 2nd ethernet controller dedicated to the SIMH VAX instance) I have an emulated VAX on the PI:
Didn't bother with a second NIC on mine, it gives my router a headache
having one machine at 2 separate hardware MAC addresses. I'm sure I
could get around that in Linux but ultimately I couldn't be bothered.
I can talk to it locally via the OP console on screen pr remotely by
the DZ11 emulation or telnet.
Is it possible for your router to tell that two NICs are on one machine?
msw at hpm:~$ telnet pivax
You can't use PIVAX as a node name, all my cluster nodes are all set
to be PIVAX1 to PIVAXn :P
He he, well, I guess it's a good name to choose.
How about I make it more generic: mypivax ?? :P
Mark.
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