On 15 Jun 2012, at 18:18, Tony Blews wrote:
Goshdarn it. Now I'll need to use my limited imagination to come up with a new name!
How about VAXBRY (contraction of VAXberry)? :)
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On 06/15/2012 12:51 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
How much do you have left to do to get the PDP-10 fired up? I haven't
seen that thing in forever. :)
I have to get an operational RM03. This is proving difficult. :-(
FYI: An RM02 will work too. Just a little slower...
Unfortunately they're just as rare anymore. :-(
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Goshdarn it. Now I'll need to use my limited imagination to come up with a new name!
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
On 15 Jun 2012, at 07:35, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>> 3. Can it be called "PIVAX"?
>
> There don't seem to exist a PIVAX today, so sure.
I am using PIVAX(n) as my cluster nodes. I'd suggest avoiding it to
prevent confusion. :)
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http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 06/15/2012 08:32 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
How much do you have left to do to get the PDP-10 fired up? I haven't
seen that thing in forever. :)
I have to get an operational RM03. This is proving difficult. :-(
-Dave
You can use almost any SMD disk that has a data-rate that do not
exceed the data/clock input of the masbus/SMD logic that is in the
RM02/RM03 and in a separate cabinet on RM05. My memory is vague,
but I think the number was 37mbit/s. Like a small 8" winchester..
(I think the fjutzu eagle is to fast, maybe swap LSttl for Fttl..)
(assuming this is 2020) I changd the panda moitor and DDRSMB to have a
table that describes the disc layout indexed by drive type read from
the masbus controller and I can dig them up for you..
--P
On 2012-06-15 11:56, Mark Benson wrote:
Okay, Johnny, can I register:
PIVAX1 to PIVAX5
at
6.51 to 6.55
and change 6.15 to ARMVAX
Please :)
Done.
Johnny
On 2012-06-15 14:40, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 06/15/2012 08:32 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
How much do you have left to do to get the PDP-10 fired up? I haven't
seen that thing in forever. :)
I have to get an operational RM03. This is proving difficult. :-(
FYI: An RM02 will work too. Just a little slower...
Johnny
On 2012-06-15 16:04, Mark Benson wrote:
On 15 Jun 2012, at 14:36, Pontus Pihlgren<pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
Hi All.
Just want to give you an heads up. We have had a water leak in Updates
server room.
Yikes!
Indeed. :-)
Mim and the server running this mailinglist might have to be taken down.
I'll get back to you when I know more.
DECtec.info has a mailing list that users are welcome to use as a
communications platform during any possible downtime.
Hopefully things will not be that disruptive. Both the machine running this list (as well as the Update bridge hub), and MIM, are actually just PCs anyway, so they are easily moved. Any downtime should be pretty short.
The large machines are usually not on (sadly enough).
(Pontus, fix the cooling!)
Johnny
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 15/06/2012, a les 16:25, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> va escriure:
>>
Interesting that you think that the idea of a keyboard will even be a reality in 10 years, glass, forcefield, or whatever... I would tend to think that simple I/O would come from speech or another method.
I don't think so. Just imagine an office full of people all talking to their computers at the same time. It would be as the worse call centre cacophony you can think about... Multiplied by 1000.
I'm still using my old IBM model M keyboard... And to get it away from me you should pry it from my dead fingers... I love that clicky-ta-clack sound. Modern keyboards just can't beat it!
If the industry does move toward glass screens, it'll be interesting to see how long until ergonomic consideration circles back around... I can't see "typing" on a flat desk, eight hours a day....
I do like the forcefield idea...
On 2012-06-15 11:32, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 15/06/12 08:16, Mark Benson wrote:
On 15 Jun 2012, at 07:35, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
3. Can it be called "PIVAX"?
There don't seem to exist a PIVAX today, so sure.
I am using PIVAX(n) as my cluster nodes. I'd suggest avoiding it to
prevent confusion. :)
Mark,
I'd suggest you get your node name requests into Johnny, then there can
be no more arguments ;)
Certainly a good point that I know if people have requests or wishes. But common sense should not be ignored either. Mark Benson do have a point here, and I don't mind following his thought, now that I know of it.
Johnny
On 06/15/2012 10:25 AM, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Interesting that you think that the idea of a keyboard will even be a
reality in 10 years, glass, forcefield, or whatever... I would tend to
think that simple I/O would come from speech or another method.
For some applications, like sending email or writing documents, sure,
but look at software development. The idea of doing that via speech I/O
has been looked at and discarded twenty times over the past few decades.
There doesn't seem to be any practical way to do it, even with perfect
speech recognition. Don't underestimate the amount of software
development going on in the world today...even if it becomes the last
bastion of keyboard use, in whatever form, that still means there will
be AN AWFUL AWFUL LOT of keyboards out there.
If the
industry does move toward glass screens, it'll be interesting to see how
long until ergonomic consideration circles back around... I can't see
"typing" on a flat desk, eight hours a day....
Me neither.
I do like the forcefield idea...
Me too. :)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 06/15/2012 10:16 AM, Mark Benson wrote:
Who you calling odd, eh?
Well, I guess from the general public's point of view, maybe.
For anyone with knowledge of the joys of vintage computing, definitely not.
:-)
People have, in fact, been beaten with an LK201 for less ;)
I resemble that remark! ;)
My opinions on keyboards for example have recently been ratified when
attempting to use the on-screen keyboard of an ipad.
And that's the future...
Well, one part of the future. Keyboards aren't going away. I suppose
we'll see, but I'm willing to place a hefty bet on it.
The familiar layouts, perhaps not, but as a physical device with
switched real keys I think they will in the next 10 years (legacy
systems notwithstanding)
Companies are already working on prototype screens that provide
tactile feedback when you tap the keys on them. I anticipate glass
keyboards will begin to replace physical ones before long as they are
easier to produce than physical ones (no physical change required for
languages etc.). Eventually forcefields (you think I'm kidding,
right?) will replace the glass and they'll be nothing but a projection
in mid-air.
Possibly. Such technologies are, in my opinion, solutions looking for
problems. Not that this has stopped our society before, though. None
of the pseudo-switch tactile feedback systems I've seen have had any
real potential IMO. But if that problem is solved, we'll still have
keyboards, just without physical clicking switches. :)
They'll still be QWERTY in 2050 though ;)
OH yes. :)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
>> My opinions on keyboards for example have recently been ratified when
>> attempting to use the on-screen keyboard of an ipad.
>> And that's the future...
>
> Well, one part of the future. Keyboards aren't going away. I suppose
> we'll see, but I'm willing to place a hefty bet on it.
The familiar layouts, perhaps not, but as a physical device with
switched real keys I think they will in the next 10 years (legacy
systems notwithstanding)
Companies are already working on prototype screens that provide
tactile feedback when you tap the keys on them. I anticipate glass
keyboards will begin to replace physical ones before long as they are
easier to produce than physical ones (no physical change required for
languages etc.). Eventually forcefields (you think I'm kidding,
right?) will replace the glass and they'll be nothing but a projection
in mid-air.
They'll still be QWERTY in 2050 though ;)
--
Mark Benson
Interesting that you think that the idea of a keyboard will even be a reality in 10 years, glass, forcefield, or whatever... I would tend to think that simple I/O would come from speech or another method. If the industry does move toward glass screens, it'll be interesting to see how long until ergonomic consideration circles back around... I can't see "typing" on a flat desk, eight hours a day....
I do like the forcefield idea...
On 15 Jun 2012, at 14:50, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 06/15/2012 09:20 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
Who you calling odd, eh?
Well, I guess from the general public's point of view, maybe.
For anyone with knowledge of the joys of vintage computing, definitely not.
:-)
People have, in fact, been beaten with an LK201 for less ;)
My opinions on keyboards for example have recently been ratified when
attempting to use the on-screen keyboard of an ipad.
And that's the future...
Well, one part of the future. Keyboards aren't going away. I suppose
we'll see, but I'm willing to place a hefty bet on it.
The familiar layouts, perhaps not, but as a physical device with
switched real keys I think they will in the next 10 years (legacy
systems notwithstanding)
Companies are already working on prototype screens that provide
tactile feedback when you tap the keys on them. I anticipate glass
keyboards will begin to replace physical ones before long as they are
easier to produce than physical ones (no physical change required for
languages etc.). Eventually forcefields (you think I'm kidding,
right?) will replace the glass and they'll be nothing but a projection
in mid-air.
They'll still be QWERTY in 2050 though ;)
--
Mark Benson
On 15 Jun 2012, at 14:36, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
Hi All.
Just want to give you an heads up. We have had a water leak in Updates
server room.
Yikes!
Mim and the server running this mailinglist might have to be taken down.
I'll get back to you when I know more.
DECtec.info has a mailing list that users are welcome to use as a
communications platform during any possible downtime.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 06/15/2012 09:20 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
Who you calling odd, eh?
Well, I guess from the general public's point of view, maybe.
For anyone with knowledge of the joys of vintage computing, definitely not.
:-)
My opinions on keyboards for example have recently been ratified when
attempting to use the on-screen keyboard of an ipad.
And that's the future...
Well, one part of the future. Keyboards aren't going away. I suppose
we'll see, but I'm willing to place a hefty bet on it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 06/15/2012 09:36 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
Hi All.
Just want to give you an heads up. We have had a water leak in Updates
server room.
This is not as serious as it sounds and thing will be running along for
now. Eventually we will have to open up the room to repairs and possibly
shut some systems down.
Mim and the server running this mailinglist might have to be taken down.
I'll get back to you when I know more.
Eeeek! Good luck. If I can help with any sort of network support,
please don't hesitate to ask.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 06/15/2012 09:32 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 08:32:28AM -0400, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yes, welcome! You've joined an..... odd.... group of people. :)
We just need one more! and then we are even.
Are we drinking today, Pontus? ;)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hi All.
Just want to give you an heads up. We have had a water leak in Updates
server room.
This is not as serious as it sounds and thing will be running along for
now. Eventually we will have to open up the room to repairs and possibly
shut some systems down.
Mim and the server running this mailinglist might have to be taken down.
I'll get back to you when I know more.
Regards,
Pontus.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 08:32:28AM -0400, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Yes, welcome! You've joined an..... odd.... group of people. :)
We just need one more! and then we are even.
/P
Yes, welcome! You've joined an..... odd.... group of people. :)
Who you calling odd, eh?
Well, I guess from the general public's point of view, maybe.
For anyone with knowledge of the joys of vintage computing, definitely not.
My opinions on keyboards for example have recently been ratified when attempting to use the on-screen keyboard of an ipad.
And that's the future...
Mark.
--
http://www.wickensonline.co.ukhttp://declegacy.org.uk
On 06/15/2012 08:32 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
How much do you have left to do to get the PDP-10 fired up? I haven't
seen that thing in forever. :)
I have to get an operational RM03. This is proving difficult. :-(
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 6/15/2012 8:20 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 06/14/2012 09:34 PM, Tony Blews wrote:
I've just joined the list.
Welcome!
Yes, welcome! You've joined an..... odd.... group of people. :)
2. Can I add my "machine"?
Of course! I just brought my network online a few weeks ago. We're
having fun!
Absolutely!
I already have a separate Linux box running (the house file server), so
installing the bridge software isn't a problem.
Sounds like my kind of geek. Have fun! I've got an Alpha running VMS
online all the time, and I occasionally have some VAXen and PDP-11s
running, and am working on a PDP-10. All real hardware, but I'll
probably be putting up an emulated PDP-11 and PDP-10 full-time soon.
-Dave
How much do you have left to do to get the PDP-10 fired up? I haven't seen that thing in forever. :)
-brian
On 06/14/2012 09:34 PM, Tony Blews wrote:
I've just joined the list.
Welcome!
I'm Tony, and I worked with VMS and Ultrix boxes and DECnet back in the
late 80s/early 90s.
I'm currently running an emulated MicroVAX with OpenVMS 7.3 on a single
board computer the size of a cigarette pack (The Raspberry Pi).
Having played about with TCP/IP and getting the webserver running, I
thought it might be a nice idea to get DECnet up.
Sure, I could just set up a local one within the house to connect
various emulations, but that just seems too easy.
So, my questions:
1. Is HECnet still active?
Oh yes!
2. Can I add my "machine"?
Of course! I just brought my network online a few weeks ago. We're
having fun!
3. Can it be called "PIVAX"?
I believe this has already been addressed...no fistfights, please. ;)
I already have a separate Linux box running (the house file server), so
installing the bridge software isn't a problem.
Sounds like my kind of geek. Have fun! I've got an Alpha running VMS
online all the time, and I occasionally have some VAXen and PDP-11s
running, and am working on a PDP-10. All real hardware, but I'll
probably be putting up an emulated PDP-11 and PDP-10 full-time soon.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 15/06/12 08:16, Mark Benson wrote:
On 15 Jun 2012, at 07:35, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
3. Can it be called "PIVAX"?
There don't seem to exist a PIVAX today, so sure.
I am using PIVAX(n) as my cluster nodes. I'd suggest avoiding it to
prevent confusion. :)
Mark,
I'd suggest you get your node name requests into Johnny, then there can be no more arguments ;)
Mark.
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http://www.wickensonline.co.ukhttp://declegacy.org.uk
