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DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com Sent: 22 June 2012 19:44 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats Are you planning to have it speak unencapsulated, too? That would be nice for talking to real DECnet nodes. paul On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Thanks Rob Yes, that should be the simplest one. For that I am assuming that the router would be connected directly to the Ethernet segment, not missing anything am I? Regards Rob

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DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: 22 June 2012 19:34 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats On 06/22/2012 02:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Ciscos can encapsulate DECnet within either GRE or L2TP. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA I hope GRE and L2TP aren't too complex. It *looks* like GRE can be transported over UDP. L2TP looks a bit more complex, but I have skimmed the Wikipedia page for all of 15 seconds so I may have missed something. Regards Rob

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DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

Are you planning to have it speak unencapsulated, too? That would be nice for talking to real DECnet nodes. paul On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Thanks Rob

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DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 06/22/2012 02:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Ciscos can encapsulate DECnet within either GRE or L2TP. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Thanks Rob

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Psilo status?

by roll＠Stupi.SE

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Psilo status?

by roll＠Stupi.SE

Peter is this readable? Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Peter Lothberg Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? Verzonden: 21 juni 2012 05:08 It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair. Apologies. I"ll drop off the list. As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions (well, I can't read them). My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII. So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter. --Peter Yes!

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Psilo status?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

I found an option in the blackberry that just switches off html. I wondered whether that might do the trick. Now what does the PDP-10 make of it.. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Paul_Koning at Dell.com Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? Verzonden: 22 juni 2012 15:23 That looks good. My mail reader when asked to show "raw source" shows me Mime headers including the Content-type:text/plain header, but this time it's sent straight, there isn't a transfer-encoding listed. paul On Jun 22, 2012, at 1:03 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Peter is this readable? Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Peter Lothberg Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? Verzonden: 21 juni 2012 05:08 It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair. Apologies. I"ll drop off the list. As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions (well, I can't read them). My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII. So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter. --Peter

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Psilo status?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

That looks good. My mail reader when asked to show "raw source" shows me Mime headers including the Content-type:text/plain header, but this time it's sent straight, there isn't a transfer-encoding listed. paul On Jun 22, 2012, at 1:03 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Peter is this readable? Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Peter Lothberg Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? Verzonden: 21 juni 2012 05:08 It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair. Apologies. I"ll drop off the list. As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions (well, I can't read them). My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII. So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter. --Peter

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Psilo status?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Peter is this readable? Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Peter Lothberg Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? Verzonden: 21 juni 2012 05:08 It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair. Apologies. I"ll drop off the list. As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions (well, I can't read them). My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII. So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter. --Peter

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Three Tons of Minicomputers

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Pontus <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote: Hi This is a shameless plug for something I and the Update Computer Club have been working on this spring and opened yesterday. The exhibition "Three Tons of Minicomputers" at Museum Gustavianum in Uppsala, Sweden. http://www.gustavianum.uu.se/node13 We have collected computers primarily used by the university at some point in time. Highlights include a Linc-8 and a DECSYSTEM-2060 with peripherals. Here are some pictures from the opening: http://www.update.uu.se/~jeppe/tmp/vernissage/ I strongly recommend anyone nearby Uppsala this summer to take a swing by Gustavianum. If you want a guided tour, let me know and we'll figure something out. It's only open for a few months, so don't wait to long. Regards, Pontus. Hello! Pontus I've met Adam (LINC-8) at the VCF earlier this year, that's where David and I met (officially that is) but not the 2060. What was both of them being used at the school for? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Three Tons of Minicomputers

by pontus＠update.uu.se

Hi This is a shameless plug for something I and the Update Computer Club have been working on this spring and opened yesterday. The exhibition "Three Tons of Minicomputers" at Museum Gustavianum in Uppsala, Sweden. http://www.gustavianum.uu.se/node13 We have collected computers primarily used by the university at some point in time. Highlights include a Linc-8 and a DECSYSTEM-2060 with peripherals. Here are some pictures from the opening: http://www.update.uu.se/~jeppe/tmp/vernissage/ I strongly recommend anyone nearby Uppsala this summer to take a swing by Gustavianum. If you want a guided tour, let me know and we'll figure something out. It's only open for a few months, so don't wait to long. Regards, Pontus.

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[Simh] Pi VAX Cluster

by md.benson＠gmail.com

On 14 Jun 2012, at 02:34, Boyanich, Alastair wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks for the clarification. Not sure why I thought it was ARMv6. Still, I have an Rpi on order and due sometime in the next several years. I'd like ideally to replace some systems I have such as the TheoLinux router to save some power. More ram though :) I still wonder about heat. Also this VIA seems to have 2gb onboard flash + the weenySD slot. This is a full clarification of the ARM architecture version versus ARM model number issue. It is slightly confusing, but here is some Wikipedia goodness to help iron it out a bit: Simple breakdown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores More complex and comprehensive breakdown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores Just thought I'd clear that up as it's confused the funk out of me a few times :) -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.

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Qbus ethernet spare?

by ahling＠eadc.se

I have ("somewhere") doccumentation for: DEQNA DELQA DELQA-Plus ^^^^ (Original name by DEC) I guess the latter is -YM, The more modern ones can also be found in newer uVAX:en like 3500, but then with S-handles, perfect for a PDP 11-53, but most other chassies would require some mechanical work done to the PCB in order to remove handles... Give me an E-mail shout if needed, G ran On 2012-06-19 16:52, Dave McGuire wrote: On 06/19/2012 10:27 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: Found 1 DELQA and 4 DEQNA (condition unknown), and also have 1 broken DELQA I recall that the DELQA is more "modern" and better i some way, are they also more prone to failure? No. From a reliability point of view, I've not heard that either should be better or worse. However, the DEQNA is rather buggy in its general performance. Side-by-side, the DELQA is quite a bit faster than the DEQNA, the DELQA-YA ("Turbo DELQA") even more so. That said, the DELQA has a "DEQNA compatibility mode"...whether that makes it as slow and/or buggy as the DEQNA, I don't know. -Dave

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Psilo status?

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:42, H Vlems wrote: Sampsa, I've been using a BB for 6 or 7 years now. At the time there was just no alternative. For business use it's still great. If you want more than that, right, get an iPhone or an Andoid based platform. Hans BTW I think thi is my last Blackberry becuase I feel that when this contract expires RIM will be down the drain. What would you suggest, Apple or Android platform? Again, if I'd never used an iPhone before that, then yeah, I would've probably been OK with the BB. As for me, I use an iPhone (have since 2007) so am biased but very happy with it - in fact I've got an iPad as well and the new iMessage (basically BBM built into the text messaging app) is great - I get the same messages on my Mac, iPad and iPhone, all for free. Sampsa

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Psilo status?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

That's a bit of a loaded question, actually. :) It's all going to come down to personal preference so I'd say go get your hands on both to play with. I've always found the iPhone to have a bit more of a polished UI but I haven't had any real hands on with android in years so that could no longer be true. -brian On Jun 20, 2012, at 15:42, "H Vlems" <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Sampsa, I've been using a BB for 6 or 7 years now. At the time there was just no alternative. For business use it's still great. If you want more than that, right, get an iPhone or an Andoid based platform. Hans BTW I think thi is my last Blackberry becuase I feel that when this contract expires RIM will be down the drain. What would you suggest, Apple or Android platform? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2012 21:33 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:27, Dennis Boone wrote: Hans' blackberry may be set to latin1, given he's in .nl. On a related note, I got a blackberry for about a month since all my "cool kid" buddies were bugging me to get on BBM. Threw it under a bus after a month, those things SUCK. Sampsa

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Psilo status?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Sampsa, I've been using a BB for 6 or 7 years now. At the time there was just no alternative. For business use it's still great. If you want more than that, right, get an iPhone or an Andoid based platform. Hans BTW I think thi is my last Blackberry becuase I feel that when this contract expires RIM will be down the drain. What would you suggest, Apple or Android platform? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2012 21:33 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:27, Dennis Boone wrote: Hans' blackberry may be set to latin1, given he's in .nl. On a related note, I got a blackberry for about a month since all my "cool kid" buddies were bugging me to get on BBM. Threw it under a bus after a month, those things SUCK. Sampsa

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7 bit ASCII test

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

OK, we're getting somewhere ;-) Unfortunately this is not wriiten on my (t)rusty blackberry. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Peter Lothberg Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2012 23:33 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE CC: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] 7 bit ASCII test Peter, can you read this text on the PDP-10? Hans YES!!!!!!! Thanks! --Peter

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Psilo status?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Peter, having used TOPS-10 for a short period, I know very little about TOPS-10 but understand your problem (at least I think I do). So I'm trying to find a solution. Hans The TOPS-10 system IIRC was in Ireland and was used by a European technology sponsorship program. Contenders and participants had to use tha tsystem for progress reports and project funding requests. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Peter Lothberg Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2012 23:09 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE CC: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair. Apologies. I"ll drop off the list. As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions (well, I can't read them). My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII. So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter. --Peter

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Psilo status?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Dennis, if all else fails then that would be a very nice idea indeed, thanks! But I'm an engineer. Engineers try to fix things that are broken. They'd rather not pass the problem to somebody else <g> Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Dennis Boone Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2012 21:27 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client. It says text/plain, but doesn't name the character set. Some mailers switch to base64 if the character set isn't ASCII, even if all of the characters that actually appear in the message would be legit ascii. Hans' blackberry may be set to latin1, given he's in .nl. Hans, if you want, I'll try to gin up a gateway that translates your messages and posts them to the list. Shame to see you leave the list over this kind of tomfoolery. De

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7 bit ASCII test

by roll＠Stupi.SE

Peter, can you read this text on the PDP-10? Hans YES!!!!!!! Thanks! --Peter

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Psilo status?

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:27, Dennis Boone wrote: Hans' blackberry may be set to latin1, given he's in .nl. On a related note, I got a blackberry for about a month since all my "cool kid" buddies were bugging me to get on BBM. Threw it under a bus after a month, those things SUCK. Sampsa

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7 bit ASCII test

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Peter, can you read this text on the PDP-10? Hans

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Psilo status?

by drb＠msu.edu

Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client. It says text/plain, but doesn't name the character set. Some mailers switch to base64 if the character set isn't ASCII, even if all of the characters that actually appear in the message would be legit ascii. Hans' blackberry may be set to latin1, given he's in .nl. Hans, if you want, I'll try to gin up a gateway that translates your messages and posts them to the list. Shame to see you leave the list over this kind of tomfoolery. De

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Psilo status?

by roll＠Stupi.SE

It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair. Apologies. I"ll drop off the list. As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions (well, I can't read them). My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII. So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter. --Peter

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