Which now gives me the slightly more logical error:
MAIL> mail
To: legato::smtp%"tonyblews at gmail.com"
%MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node LEGATO
-SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Steve Davidson <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
LEGATO::SMTP%user at whereever.com
Should read:
LEGATO::SMTP%"user at whereever.com"
-Steve
You're end.
$start/queue/manager (in SYS$STARTUP:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM)
You could use autostart if you wish. I do not because my startup depends on queues starting up in a particular order.
-Steve
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tony Blews
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 17:17
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: Re: [HECnet] SMTP <-> MAIL11 Gateway
D'oh!
As for the second part, does it mean that the queue manager isn't running on my machine, or the distant one, as local mail seem to work fine.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Steve Davidson <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
This one is easy :-)
LEGATO:: does not know about TARDIS::.
-Steve
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tony Blews
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 17:12
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: Re: [HECnet] SMTP <-> MAIL11 Gateway
Hi, I've just tried this and got this error mailed back to me:
Bad address -- <"tardis::tony">
Error --
%MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node TARDIS
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
And mailing from the VMS box gives me this:
MAIL> mail
To: legato::smtp%tonyblews at gmail.com
%JBC-E-JOBQUEDIS, system job queue manager is not running
This is probably my fault, so what am I doin wrong?
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
I ve set up an Internet SMTP to HECnet MAIL11 gateway. To send mail from the Internet to a HECnet node, address it to
user at node.decnet.org
where user is the VMS (or RSX or RSTS or whatever) user name and node is the HECnet node name. If you re logged into a HECnet machine you can send Internet mail by addressing it to
LEGATO::SMTP%user at whereever.com
Note that LEGATO will store mail sent in either direction for up two days if the target node is down at the time that means your HECnet machine doesn t have to be online 24x7 in order to receive mail.
IMPORTANT - There is absolutely no SPAM filtering, so please be very careful about where or how you publish these addresses unless you want your VMS mailbox filled up with thousands of SPAMs
Bob
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
That s cause LEGATO didn t know what TARDIS was. It must be a new node.
MIM is dead these days, but PONDUS says it s 1.250 so I ll go with that.
Try it again this should work.
To: legato::smtp%tonyblews at gmail.com
%JBC-E-JOBQUEDIS, system job queue manager is not running
You do know you're supposed to quote the Internet address, right?
If that's not your problem then I don't know what's going on with this.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 17:13
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] SMTP <-> MAIL11 Gateway
On 2012-07-11 22:55, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I've set up an Internet SMTP to HECnet MAIL11 gateway.
To send mail
from the Internet to a HECnet node, address it to
user at node.decnet.org <mailto:user at node.decnet.org>
where "user" is the VMS (or RSX or RSTS or whatever) user name and
"node" is the HECnet node name. If you're logged into a
HECnet machine
you can send Internet mail by addressing it to
LEGATO::SMTP%user at whereever.com
<mailto:user at whereever.com>
Note that LEGATO will store mail sent in either direction
for up two
days if the target node is down at the time - that means
your HECnet
machine doesn't have to be online 24x7 in order to receive mail.
IMPORTANT - There is absolutely no SPAM filtering, so
please be very
careful about where or how you publish these addresses
unless you want
your VMS mailbox filled up with thousands of SPAMs...
Nice. Thanks.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Actually
LEGATO::SMTP%user at whereever.com
Should read:
LEGATO::SMTP%"user at whereever.com"
-Steve
D'oh!
As for the second part, does it mean that the queue manager isn't running on my machine, or the distant one, as local mail seem to work fine.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Steve Davidson <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
This one is easy :-)
LEGATO:: does not know about TARDIS::.
-Steve
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tony Blews
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 17:12
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: Re: [HECnet] SMTP <-> MAIL11 Gateway
Hi, I've just tried this and got this error mailed back to me:
Bad address -- <"tardis::tony">
Error --
%MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node TARDIS
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
And mailing from the VMS box gives me this:
MAIL> mail
To: legato::smtp%tonyblews at gmail.com
%JBC-E-JOBQUEDIS, system job queue manager is not running
This is probably my fault, so what am I doin wrong?
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
I ve set up an Internet SMTP to HECnet MAIL11 gateway. To send mail from the Internet to a HECnet node, address it to
user at node.decnet.org
where user is the VMS (or RSX or RSTS or whatever) user name and node is the HECnet node name. If you re logged into a HECnet machine you can send Internet mail by addressing it to
LEGATO::SMTP%user at whereever.com
Note that LEGATO will store mail sent in either direction for up two days if the target node is down at the time that means your HECnet machine doesn t have to be online 24x7 in order to receive mail.
IMPORTANT - There is absolutely no SPAM filtering, so please be very careful about where or how you publish these addresses unless you want your VMS mailbox filled up with thousands of SPAMs
Bob
On 2012-07-11 19:59, Jarratt RMA wrote:
On 11 July 2012 15:42, Mark Benson <markbenson at mac.com
<mailto:markbenson at mac.com>> wrote:
I have ordered 100 MMJ plugs and a MMJ compatible crimp tool to make
my own MMJ cables.
I would like to know the cable spec (how many cores, flat or round,
twisted pair or not) and also the wiring spec for each end (does one
end cross over or not).
The "normal" DEC cables are flat. 6 wires. Always crossed (that is, crimp each end "upside down" compared to the other").
The exact nature of the separate cables inside I'm slightly unsure of, but I'm pretty sure it is multistranded.
--
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Where did you order the crimper from? I have only been able to find very
expensive crimpers I cannot justify buying.
I have a crimper, but did not know that you could still get new MMJ plugs.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
This one is easy :-)
LEGATO:: does not know about TARDIS::.
-Steve
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tony Blews
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 17:12
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: Re: [HECnet] SMTP <-> MAIL11 Gateway
Hi, I've just tried this and got this error mailed back to me:
Bad address -- <"tardis::tony">
Error --
%MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node TARDIS
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
And mailing from the VMS box gives me this:
MAIL> mail
To: legato::smtp%tonyblews at gmail.com
%JBC-E-JOBQUEDIS, system job queue manager is not running
This is probably my fault, so what am I doin wrong?
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
I ve set up an Internet SMTP to HECnet MAIL11 gateway. To send mail from the Internet to a HECnet node, address it to
user at node.decnet.org
where user is the VMS (or RSX or RSTS or whatever) user name and node is the HECnet node name. If you re logged into a HECnet machine you can send Internet mail by addressing it to
LEGATO::SMTP%user at whereever.com
Note that LEGATO will store mail sent in either direction for up two days if the target node is down at the time that means your HECnet machine doesn t have to be online 24x7 in order to receive mail.
IMPORTANT - There is absolutely no SPAM filtering, so please be very careful about where or how you publish these addresses unless you want your VMS mailbox filled up with thousands of SPAMs
Bob
On 2012-07-11 22:55, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I ve set up an Internet SMTP to HECnet MAIL11 gateway. To send mail
from the Internet to a HECnet node, address it to
user at node.decnet.org <mailto:user at node.decnet.org>
where user is the VMS (or RSX or RSTS or whatever) user name and
node is the HECnet node name. If you re logged into a HECnet machine
you can send Internet mail by addressing it to
LEGATO::SMTP%user at whereever.com <mailto:user at whereever.com>
Note that LEGATO will store mail sent in either direction for up two
days if the target node is down at the time that means your HECnet
machine doesn t have to be online 24x7 in order to receive mail.
IMPORTANT - There is absolutely no SPAM filtering, so please be very
careful about where or how you publish these addresses unless you want
your VMS mailbox filled up with thousands of SPAMs
Nice. Thanks.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hi, I've just tried this and got this error mailed back to me:
Bad address -- <"tardis::tony">
Error --
%MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node TARDIS
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
And mailing from the VMS box gives me this:
MAIL> mail
To: legato::smtp%tonyblews at gmail.com
%JBC-E-JOBQUEDIS, system job queue manager is not running
This is probably my fault, so what am I doin wrong?
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
I ve set up an Internet SMTP to HECnet MAIL11 gateway. To send mail from the Internet to a HECnet node, address it to
user at node.decnet.org
where user is the VMS (or RSX or RSTS or whatever) user name and node is the HECnet node name. If you re logged into a HECnet machine you can send Internet mail by addressing it to
LEGATO::SMTP%user at whereever.com
Note that LEGATO will store mail sent in either direction for up two days if the target node is down at the time that means your HECnet machine doesn t have to be online 24x7 in order to receive mail.
IMPORTANT - There is absolutely no SPAM filtering, so please be very careful about where or how you publish these addresses unless you want your VMS mailbox filled up with thousands of SPAMs
Bob
I ve set up an Internet SMTP to HECnet MAIL11 gateway. To send mail from the Internet to a HECnet node, address it to
user at node.decnet.org
where user is the VMS (or RSX or RSTS or whatever) user name and node is the HECnet node name. If you re logged into a HECnet machine you can send Internet mail by addressing it to
LEGATO::SMTP%user at whereever.com
Note that LEGATO will store mail sent in either direction for up two days if the target node is down at the time that means your HECnet machine doesn t have to be online 24x7 in order to receive mail.
IMPORTANT - There is absolutely no SPAM filtering, so please be very careful about where or how you publish these addresses unless you want your VMS mailbox filled up with thousands of SPAMs
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Bob Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:11
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] decnet.org
I used it a few times [SMTP <> MAIL11 gateway] and enjoyed it.
Ok, I'll look at setting it up again this afternoon. Maybe
I can get you to help me set up an RSX system in exchange.
Bob
Bob, (and Johnny),
If you give me the info I will setup this end (on Sunday) for hecnet.org
such that it points as follows:
<username>@<HECnet-nodename>.hecnet.org
-Steve
On 11 July 2012 15:42, Mark Benson <markbenson at mac.com> wrote:
I have ordered 100 MMJ plugs and a MMJ compatible crimp tool to make my own MMJ cables.
I would like to know the cable spec (how many cores, flat or round, twisted pair or not) and also the wiring spec for each end (does one end cross over or not).
--
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http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
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Where did you order the crimper from? I have only been able to find very expensive crimpers I cannot justify buying.
Regards
Rob
Hi,
After reading the real experts discussing about the difficulties one has to expect generating a 11M (no plus) system I wanted to test it first hand and I've (almost) successfully sysgene'd from scratch a RSX11M 4.6 system from its tape distribution. I said "almost" because I've run into 2 little problems, one of those probably coming from my lack of knowledge about RSX itself...
1) I get no "REMove" task built. I've tried a SYSGEN3 and it doesn't get built either. I wonder if that task is absent from the "standard function" system and I will have to do a fully customized SYSGEN.
2) Even being logged on a privileged account I can't write anything under [1,54] unless I SET /UIC first. I get a privilege violation error when I try to PIP something if I have any other default directory. That causes installation scripts to fail (I've tried to install F77 and it aborts when it tries to copy the OTS and the compiler task. My SYSUID is set to [1,54]. I guess I'm missing something but have no clue about what is it.
If I can overcome these problems I plan to publish the installation log to help anyone wanting to do the same...
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
You can't take the default on *all* questions, since some don't have ny
defaults.
The CSR and vector for the terminal lines, for example... :-)
You're right - I did have to enter the address for that one.
Simh is rather simple minded about the terminal muxes - it considers the
DZ11/DZV11/DZQ11/CYX08/CXY16 all to be the same. Although the hardware is
different as far as I know they all have the same programmer model so this
is not unreasonable. The only thing that differs is the number of lines per
board, and simh allows you to set that.
And the only floating vector in this configuration, AFAIK, is the DZ/CXY
and 300 is the first one, right?
FWIW I did a VMS SYSGEN (which, among other things allows you to enter a
list of devices and will calculate for you the correct CSR/vector
assignments) and it agrees with simh in that regard. It particular, it says
160100 and vector 300 for the DZ11. As far as I know the PDP-11 and VAX
rules for address and vector assignments are the same, but it's possible RSX
does something different. It's suspicious that the default answer for the
first DZ11 in the RSX SYSGEN is not the same as the default floating address
assignment.
The other devices (MSCP disk, MSCP tape, NI) are all their default
addresses for the first such device.
You really need to make sure your hardware is correctly configured before
you can expect ACF to work.
Sure, but that's the whole question. I think this is the correct
configuration unless you can see what's wrong.
The other possibility that there's some hardware in there that this
version of ACF doesn't know about.
I guess I could do another SYSGEN and just take out the DZ/CXY from the
simh configuration. That's easy enough to do.
Bob
On 2012-07-11 16:36, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Doubly so that CON ONLINE (if I remember right) also hang.
That's correct - the CON ONLINE ALL hangs on the generated system. The
Baseline system works OK.
The baseline system is a bit simpler, in that it don't have as many devices generated in...
Maybe a misconfiguration of some sort...?
Well, what? Like you said, the M+ SYSGEN is pretty simple and almost all
the questions, even w/o autoconfigure, take the default answers. Either
that, or there's something that's not supported by 4.3 (even though it says
that it is).
Looking at your other post, I'm looking suspiciously at your terminal lines...
You can't take the default on *all* questions, since some don't have ny defaults. The CSR and vector for the terminal lines, for example... :-)
Actually I'd easily believe that it was a misconfiguration except for the
fact that ACF also hangs. That says to me that there's something about this
configuration that either isn't supported or doesn't actually work with M+
v4.3.
ACF is a totally different story. ACF can hang for any number of reasons. You really need to make sure your hardware is correctly configured before you can expect ACF to work. ACF is probing all over the bus, and determines what type of device it is by what it has already detected. There is no easy way to detect the type of a device on a Unibus or Qbus. Thus, if you do not follow the rules in the manuals on what address to assign to devices in the floating address space, ACF will not work right for you, and might in fact think that your device is something completely different, and tries to program it accordingly.
CON ONLINE on the other hand uses the actual information you have provided, and just tries to talk to the expected device that you specified, at the expected address, which you also specified. If that fails, it would normally be because the device is not what you said.
Or there's a bug in simh - that'd be ugly...
Yes. But I am hesitant to blame simh at this point.
Johnny
Doubly so that CON ONLINE (if I remember right) also hang.
That's correct - the CON ONLINE ALL hangs on the generated system. The
Baseline system works OK.
Maybe a misconfiguration of some sort...?
Well, what? Like you said, the M+ SYSGEN is pretty simple and almost all
the questions, even w/o autoconfigure, take the default answers. Either
that, or there's something that's not supported by 4.3 (even though it says
that it is).
Actually I'd easily believe that it was a misconfiguration except for the
fact that ACF also hangs. That says to me that there's something about this
configuration that either isn't supported or doesn't actually work with M+
v4.3.
Or there's a bug in simh - that'd be ugly...
Bob
On 2012-07-11 16:24, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I'm always up for getting more RSX systems running. :-)
Did you see my message yesterday? Do you know why the ACF task hangs on
the 11/53 configuration?
Saw it. Have not had any time to ponder why... But it sounds weird. Doubly so that CON ONLINE (if I remember right) also hang. That would suggest a device not responding correctly. But this was in simh, so it's not really a case of broken hardware. Maybe a misconfiguration of some sort...? (Well, actually, probably...)
Johnny
I'm always up for getting more RSX systems running. :-)
Did you see my message yesterday? Do you know why the ACF task hangs on
the 11/53 configuration?
Bob
On 2012-07-11 16:11, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I used it a few times [SMTP <> MAIL11 gateway] and enjoyed it.
Ok, I'll look at setting it up again this afternoon. Maybe I can get you
to help me set up an RSX system in exchange.
I'm always up for getting more RSX systems running. :-)
Johnny
I used it a few times [SMTP <> MAIL11 gateway] and enjoyed it.
Ok, I'll look at setting it up again this afternoon. Maybe I can get you
to help me set up an RSX system in exchange.
Bob
Dan-
Do you really mean "bridge" as in Johnny's bridge program??
You used to have a Multinet link for area 51. I've updated your IP on
this end, but the link isn't starting. I'd guess that either your end isn't
configured correctly or it's not turned on. Do you know what's going on?
Bob
On 2012-07-11 15:35, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Maybe Bob (or who it was?) can make a short comment on how they configured
things ...
Like I remember :-)
All I can say is that the SMTP to MAIL-11 gateway is built into Multinet
and you have to be running the Multinet SMTP server as a prerequisite. ISTR
that I used the decnet.org domain for this, so inbound addresses were of the
form "user at node.decnet.org" where "node" was the HECnet node name. Outbound
MAIL-11 addresses look like LEGATO::SMTP%"user at somewhere.com".
It wasn't that hard to get it working - the biggest problem I remember was
getting the address rewriting rules correct so that mail was symmetrical
(i.e. somebody on the Internet could reply to a message that originated on
HECnet without needing to fix the reply-to address).
I'd set it up again if there was an application for it, but it was never
really used before. I let it run a year or two and then quit maintaining it
when I upgraded Multinet.
I used it a few times and enjoyed it. I know a couple of people who used it a bit more...
If it was a rather small effort to get up and keep up, I would be happy to see it return. But I don't expect anyone to put lots of work or money into it.
Johnny
Maybe Bob (or who it was?) can make a short comment on how they configured
things ...
Like I remember :-)
All I can say is that the SMTP to MAIL-11 gateway is built into Multinet
and you have to be running the Multinet SMTP server as a prerequisite. ISTR
that I used the decnet.org domain for this, so inbound addresses were of the
form "user at node.decnet.org" where "node" was the HECnet node name. Outbound
MAIL-11 addresses look like LEGATO::SMTP%"user at somewhere.com".
It wasn't that hard to get it working - the biggest problem I remember was
getting the address rewriting rules correct so that mail was symmetrical
(i.e. somebody on the Internet could reply to a message that originated on
HECnet without needing to fix the reply-to address).
I'd set it up again if there was an application for it, but it was never
really used before. I let it run a year or two and then quit maintaining it
when I upgraded Multinet.
Bob
On 17 June 2012 16:37, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I've cleaned out a few entries in my bridge config. They were non-active
entries, but in case someone have been off for a while, and now tries and it
don't work, check with me if I commented you out. I'll happily reenable you,
I just want to keep the list down a little bit...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hi,
I know i've been on and off hecnet over the last few years. But I have
finally moved into a place big enough to have multiple machines
running and today I got broadband installed with a fixed ip. Can you
update my ip address to be 78.86.112.81.
Thanks
Dan
On 2012-07-11 11:47, Peter Coghlan wrote:
I'd be interested on the node TARDIS.
Also, if someone is going to do a website for hecnet, i'd be up for
www.tardis.hecnet.org (or whatever the domain is).
Hi Tony,
I've added TARDIS to my PMDF configuration and set up an MX record for
tardis.hecnet.beyondthepale.ie as well.
Please try mailing <username>@tardis.hecnet.beyondthepale.ie and see if it
works.
If Steve or Bob can arrange an MX record for a more suitable
something.hecnet.org or something.decnet.org domain to point to my mail server,
I can route mail for that domain to TARDIS too. I just used
tardis.hecnet.beyondthepale.ie to start with as I have control over that
domain.
Maybe Bob (or who it was?) can make a short comment on how they configured things to gate email to/from *all* of hecnet?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
