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embedded libraries for PDP-11, was Re: [HECnet] DECUS RSX C compiler

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 23/10/12 02:19, En/na Johnny Billquist ha escrit: Nice idea. Or the libc from DECUS C? Hmm yes. Will there be compiler compatibility issues there? (like with anything done in assembler, asm/C interface etc?) You could use the DECUS C libc, but you need to rewrite part of it. I bet the calling convention for gcc isn't the same as for DECUS C. Also, DECUS C does not expect to run on bare metal, so some basic I/O functionality needs to be written as well. But this is all pretty simple if you know your assembler. Well, gas (the GNU assembler) is not source-compatible with MACRO-11, so there would be some previous work before even trying to compile the stuff... For a starter, gas uses the '$' symbol to prefix immediate arguments, while MACRO-11 uses '#'. And this one is easy, since gas can work in a sort of "compatibility mode". The macro and symbol handling is also different, and some pseudoinstructions are different... Nothing that can't be worker around, but it would be a lot of work. The 2.11 BSD libc, on the other hand, is mostly written inC, and the parts in assembler are written for the BSD assembler, which is much more compatible with gas, and the calling standard is the same (R0 and R1 get clobbered, the return value comes in R0 for words and R0:R1 for longs, the called routine saves R3-R5, R5 is the frame pointer and the caller cleans the stack after the return). Oh, and the BSD license is liberal enough to not to worry about those pesky issues; (I have not checked the DECUS-C license though).

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DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On 23 Oct 2012, at 11:29, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/22/2012 04:06 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Was anyone ever crazy enough to try to implement any DECnet bits for 4.3BSD? Nope, not outside of Ultrix. I wonder if the sources ever escaped DEC. Wait, I have the source code to Ultrix 4.2a. I wonder if it's in there. Hmm, I wonder as well. Also, it's probably better I mention connecting here so all the crazy solutions get mentioned. Dynamic IP, located in Ohio, US. I have several spare UNIX systems to run a bridge on, and I would prefer to get several systems connected (what area should I use? I'll get back with node names once I figure out how to change them in RSTS/E and TOPS-20) I'm not very good with using emacs, maybe I should just stick with a more basic editor. Or find a better terminal emulator I don't have any real DEC terminals or any real DEC hardware yet. Where in Ohio? I'm in western PA, just a hair northeast of Pittsburgh. Near Columbus. I can hook you up with some hardware. I have, erm, a bit of a surplus at the moment. What do you have as surplus? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/22/2012 04:06 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Was anyone ever crazy enough to try to implement any DECnet bits for 4.3BSD? Nope, not outside of Ultrix. I wonder if the sources ever escaped DEC. Wait, I have the source code to Ultrix 4.2a. I wonder if it's in there. Also, it's probably better I mention connecting here so all the crazy solutions get mentioned. Dynamic IP, located in Ohio, US. I have several spare UNIX systems to run a bridge on, and I would prefer to get several systems connected (what area should I use? I'll get back with node names once I figure out how to change them in RSTS/E and TOPS-20) I'm not very good with using emacs, maybe I should just stick with a more basic editor. Or find a better terminal emulator I don't have any real DEC terminals or any real DEC hardware yet. Where in Ohio? I'm in western PA, just a hair northeast of Pittsburgh. I can hook you up with some hardware. I have, erm, a bit of a surplus at the moment. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Ultrix-11 tapes are available on Minnie

by form＠pdp-11.org.ru

Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! Does anyone have any experience with the collection of tapes that contain Ultrix-11 there? I have them, and, ah, I'm still working out the details behind everything. Tape images of ULTRIX-3.0 and 3.1 (build using TUHS files): http://pdp-11.org.ru/files/unix/ultrix30.zip http://pdp-11.org.ru/files/unix/ultrix31.zip Installation and generation log (under SimH): http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/files/setup-Ultrix-3.1.html

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Ultrix-11 tapes are available on Minnie

by slgarwood＠charter.net

IIRCV there was a bunch of discussion on http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs in 2004 about the tapes and how to boot them On Oct 22, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! Does anyone have any experience with the collection of tapes that contain Ultrix-11 there? I have them, and, ah, I'm still working out the details behind everything. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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embedded libraries for PDP-11, was Re: [HECnet] DECUS RSX C compiler

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2012-10-23 00:07, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/22/2012 05:35 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: The main barrier to a bare metal binary, or for that matter a not so bare metal one, is the supporting libraries. I did a *really* crude hack job on newlib to give me just enough bare metal support that I could run the GCC test suite under SIMH. But that certainly isn't enough for real bare metal. A pdp11 port of newlib would be a nice project. I tried... But it is too big. I think I got a fatty library because I selected the floating point support... I tried to use sprintf() and it didn't even fit into the PDP address space :(. The printf() family is GIGANTIC. In newlib there are non-FP-enabled versions of those functions; iprintf(), siprintf(), etc. They are much, much smaller than their floating-point counterparts. I suggest you try again with that and see where things land. I'm using them on ARM7 with great results. Granted that's got a much larger address space, but my resultant binaries and stack utilization are still pretty small. The 2.11BSD lib looks leaner, and I am using it in my pet OS project (I pick the pieces I need "on the run", I have not done a complete port... yet). If the above suggestion doesn't get you anywhere, perhaps avrlibc could be hacked into a PDP-11 library. All of the hardware support will have to be ripped out of course, but there are nice tight implementations of generic library functions in there. Nice idea. Or the libc from DECUS C? Hmm yes. Will there be compiler compatibility issues there? (like with anything done in assembler, asm/C interface etc?) You could use the DECUS C libc, but you need to rewrite part of it. I bet the calling convention for gcc isn't the same as for DECUS C. Also, DECUS C does not expect to run on bare metal, so some basic I/O functionality needs to be written as well. But this is all pretty simple if you know your assembler. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Ultrix-11 tapes are available on Minnie

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Does anyone have any experience with the collection of tapes that contain Ultrix-11 there? I have them, and, ah, I'm still working out the details behind everything. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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embedded libraries for PDP-11, was Re: [HECnet] DECUS RSX C compiler

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/22/2012 05:35 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: The main barrier to a bare metal binary, or for that matter a not so bare metal one, is the supporting libraries. I did a *really* crude hack job on newlib to give me just enough bare metal support that I could run the GCC test suite under SIMH. But that certainly isn't enough for real bare metal. A pdp11 port of newlib would be a nice project. I tried... But it is too big. I think I got a fatty library because I selected the floating point support... I tried to use sprintf() and it didn't even fit into the PDP address space :(. The printf() family is GIGANTIC. In newlib there are non-FP-enabled versions of those functions; iprintf(), siprintf(), etc. They are much, much smaller than their floating-point counterparts. I suggest you try again with that and see where things land. I'm using them on ARM7 with great results. Granted that's got a much larger address space, but my resultant binaries and stack utilization are still pretty small. The 2.11BSD lib looks leaner, and I am using it in my pet OS project (I pick the pieces I need "on the run", I have not done a complete port... yet). If the above suggestion doesn't get you anywhere, perhaps avrlibc could be hacked into a PDP-11 library. All of the hardware support will have to be ripped out of course, but there are nice tight implementations of generic library functions in there. Nice idea. Or the libc from DECUS C? Hmm yes. Will there be compiler compatibility issues there? (like with anything done in assembler, asm/C interface etc?) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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embedded libraries for PDP-11, was Re: [HECnet] DECUS RSX C compiler

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/22/2012 02:56 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: The main barrier to a bare metal binary, or for that matter a not so bare metal one, is the supporting libraries. I did a *really* crude hack job on newlib to give me just enough bare metal support that I could run the GCC test suite under SIMH. But that certainly isn't enough for real bare metal. A pdp11 port of newlib would be a nice project. I tried... But it is too big. I think I got a fatty library because I selected the floating point support... I tried to use sprintf() and it didn't even fit into the PDP address space :(. The printf() family is GIGANTIC. In newlib there are non-FP-enabled versions of those functions; iprintf(), siprintf(), etc. They are much, much smaller than their floating-point counterparts. I suggest you try again with that and see where things land. I'm using them on ARM7 with great results. Granted that's got a much larger address space, but my resultant binaries and stack utilization are still pretty small. The 2.11BSD lib looks leaner, and I am using it in my pet OS project (I pick the pieces I need "on the run", I have not done a complete port... yet). If the above suggestion doesn't get you anywhere, perhaps avrlibc could be hacked into a PDP-11 library. All of the hardware support will have to be ripped out of course, but there are nice tight implementations of generic library functions in there. Nice idea. Or the libc from DECUS C? paul

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DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 22, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Jason Stevens <neozeed at gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: Was anyone ever crazy enough to try to implement any DECnet bits for 4.3BSD? I doubt it was very highly demanded, thus the "crazy" bit. I'd consider trying to implement it myself, but I don't know C, BSD internals, or in-depth DECnet info and the craziest I've done is gotten a crippled Perl 5 built on Quasijarus. (while i'm on that topic, anyone ever manage to build autoconf/automake on 4.3BSD?) My eventual end goal is to build irssi on 4.3BSD and ignoring the fact it's pretty much impossible. I've just built the old ircII stuff... and that was involved to say the least. the University of Wisconsin version of 4.3 BSD seemed more usable as its got some SUN magic in there like NFS and various other cleanups ... I haven't looked at irssi as I'd imagine it'd be ... involved. Very involved. I need to get a newer shell to build pkg-config or pkgconf (pkg-config compatible thing, probably easier to use it) so I can get glib built. But I doubt pkg-config will ever build., so the plan stops there unfortunately It seems GNU configure scripts are..picky about shells. They hate pdksh, tcsh, proper ksh, and it seems pkgconf needs a modern bash. I've tried to build several shells as of yet no luck. Seems sys/time.h needs a bit of work for the history functions of bash3 to build. Maybe I can backport that from FreeBSD? Probably too many dependencies for that. I managed to get locale.h and sys/cdefs.h ported back to build with older GCC, i don't trust it but it built :-). But it would probably be a bit easier on a different 4.3BSD flavour.

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DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2012-10-22 22:51, Jason Stevens wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net <mailto:b4 at gewt.net>> wrote: Was anyone ever crazy enough to try to implement any DECnet bits for 4.3BSD? I doubt it was very highly demanded, thus the "crazy" bit. I'd consider trying to implement it myself, but I don't know C, BSD internals, or in-depth DECnet info and the craziest I've done is gotten a crippled Perl 5 built on Quasijarus. (while i'm on that topic, anyone ever manage to build autoconf/automake on 4.3BSD?) My eventual end goal is to build irssi on 4.3BSD and ignoring the fact it's pretty much impossible. I've just built the old ircII stuff... and that was involved to say the least. the University of Wisconsin version of 4.3 BSD seemed more usable as its got some SUN magic in there like NFS and various other cleanups ... 4.3 with NFS and stuff? Are you sure you are not talking about 4.3 Reno? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2012-10-22 22:42, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 22 Oct 2012, at 16:38, "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: That is a lot of questions! :-) I have answered only one of them below. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky Sent: 22 October 2012 21:06 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions Was anyone ever crazy enough to try to implement any DECnet bits for 4.3BSD? What part of DECnet do you mean? I have some DECnet Router code out now that runs a DECnet router in user mode. But it is only the router part, none of the higher level protocols. If you want to try that there is code for Windows and for Linux, the latter has been tested on a Debian distribution (on the Raspberry Pi). I have not tried on BSD and no longer remember the differences between that and other Unix flavours. I'm referring to how Ultrix implemented bits of the DECnet protocol suite, I doubted anyone had ported any of it back to something as ancient as 4.3BSD as I highly doubt anyone needed it. :-). Considering that Ultrix is more 4.2BSD, it's kindof funny to call 4.3 "retro". :-) But no, as far as I know, DECnet have never been available for any BSD, apart from Ultrix (if you want to call that BSD is another story). Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions

by neozeed＠gmail.com

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: Was anyone ever crazy enough to try to implement any DECnet bits for 4.3BSD? I doubt it was very highly demanded, thus the "crazy" bit. I'd consider trying to implement it myself, but I don't know C, BSD internals, or in-depth DECnet info and the craziest I've done is gotten a crippled Perl 5 built on Quasijarus. (while i'm on that topic, anyone ever manage to build autoconf/automake on 4.3BSD?) My eventual end goal is to build irssi on 4.3BSD and ignoring the fact it's pretty much impossible. I've just built the old ircII stuff... and that was involved to say the least. the University of Wisconsin version of 4.3 BSD seemed more usable as its got some SUN magic in there like NFS and various other cleanups ... I haven't looked at irssi as I'd imagine it'd be ... involved.

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DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On 22 Oct 2012, at 16:38, "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: That is a lot of questions! :-) I have answered only one of them below. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky Sent: 22 October 2012 21:06 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions Was anyone ever crazy enough to try to implement any DECnet bits for 4.3BSD? What part of DECnet do you mean? I have some DECnet Router code out now that runs a DECnet router in user mode. But it is only the router part, none of the higher level protocols. If you want to try that there is code for Windows and for Linux, the latter has been tested on a Debian distribution (on the Raspberry Pi). I have not tried on BSD and no longer remember the differences between that and other Unix flavours. I'm referring to how Ultrix implemented bits of the DECnet protocol suite, I doubted anyone had ported any of it back to something as ancient as 4.3BSD as I highly doubt anyone needed it. :-). I doubt it was very highly demanded, thus the "crazy" bit. I'd consider trying to implement it myself, but I don't know C, BSD internals, or in-depth DECnet info and the craziest I've done is gotten a crippled Perl 5 built on Quasijarus. (while i'm on that topic, anyone ever manage to build autoconf/automake on 4.3BSD?) My eventual end goal is to build irssi on 4.3BSD and ignoring the fact it's pretty much impossible. I'm having trouble finding good documentation for latest TOPS-10 and TOPS- 20, anyone know of links off hand? I'd like to get more familiar with them. Also, how would I go about configuring DECnet on TOPS-20? (using pre-built panda, grab me some good manuals and some product tape images and I can roll my own if need be). I suck at google and I get a lot of "top" lists every time I try to find TOPS-10/TOPS-20 stuff. Yeah, I don't know everything about all of DEC's older stuff, but I like learning my way around, I just need good resources.and an explanation of the document naming conventions. Also, it's probably better I mention connecting here so all the crazy solutions get mentioned. Dynamic IP, located in Ohio, US. I have several spare UNIX systems to run a bridge on, and I would prefer to get several systems connected (what area should I use? I'll get back with node names.once I figure out how to change them in RSTS/E and TOPS-20) I'm not very good with using emacs, maybe I should just stick with a more basic editor. Or find a better terminal emulator.I don't have any real DEC terminals or any real DEC hardware.yet. Apologies if any of my questions are a bit annoying or anything. Thanks! -- Cory

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DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

That is a lot of questions! :-) I have answered only one of them below. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky Sent: 22 October 2012 21:06 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions Was anyone ever crazy enough to try to implement any DECnet bits for 4.3BSD? What part of DECnet do you mean? I have some DECnet Router code out now that runs a DECnet router in user mode. But it is only the router part, none of the higher level protocols. If you want to try that there is code for Windows and for Linux, the latter has been tested on a Debian distribution (on the Raspberry Pi). I have not tried on BSD and no longer remember the differences between that and other Unix flavours. I doubt it was very highly demanded, thus the "crazy" bit. I'd consider trying to implement it myself, but I don't know C, BSD internals, or in-depth DECnet info and the craziest I've done is gotten a crippled Perl 5 built on Quasijarus. (while i'm on that topic, anyone ever manage to build autoconf/automake on 4.3BSD?) My eventual end goal is to build irssi on 4.3BSD and ignoring the fact it's pretty much impossible. I'm having trouble finding good documentation for latest TOPS-10 and TOPS- 20, anyone know of links off hand? I'd like to get more familiar with them. Also, how would I go about configuring DECnet on TOPS-20? (using pre-built panda, grab me some good manuals and some product tape images and I can roll my own if need be). I suck at google and I get a lot of "top" lists every time I try to find TOPS-10/TOPS-20 stuff. Yeah, I don't know everything about all of DEC's older stuff, but I like learning my way around, I just need good resources.and an explanation of the document naming conventions. Also, it's probably better I mention connecting here so all the crazy solutions get mentioned. Dynamic IP, located in Ohio, US. I have several spare UNIX systems to run a bridge on, and I would prefer to get several systems connected (what area should I use? I'll get back with node names.once I figure out how to change them in RSTS/E and TOPS-20) I'm not very good with using emacs, maybe I should just stick with a more basic editor. Or find a better terminal emulator.I don't have any real DEC terminals or any real DEC hardware.yet. Apologies if any of my questions are a bit annoying or anything. Thanks! -- Cory

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DECnet on 4.3BSD/TOPS-20 and other questions

by b4＠gewt.net

Was anyone ever crazy enough to try to implement any DECnet bits for 4.3BSD? I doubt it was very highly demanded, thus the "crazy" bit. I'd consider trying to implement it myself, but I don't know C, BSD internals, or in-depth DECnet info and the craziest I've done is gotten a crippled Perl 5 built on Quasijarus. (while i'm on that topic, anyone ever manage to build autoconf/automake on 4.3BSD?) My eventual end goal is to build irssi on 4.3BSD and ignoring the fact it's pretty much impossible. I'm having trouble finding good documentation for latest TOPS-10 and TOPS-20, anyone know of links off hand? I'd like to get more familiar with them. Also, how would I go about configuring DECnet on TOPS-20? (using pre-built panda, grab me some good manuals and some product tape images and I can roll my own if need be). I suck at google and I get a lot of "top" lists every time I try to find TOPS-10/TOPS-20 stuff Yeah, I don't know everything about all of DEC's older stuff, but I like learning my way around, I just need good resources and an explanation of the document naming conventions. Also, it's probably better I mention connecting here so all the crazy solutions get mentioned. Dynamic IP, located in Ohio, US. I have several spare UNIX systems to run a bridge on, and I would prefer to get several systems connected (what area should I use? I'll get back with node names once I figure out how to change them in RSTS/E and TOPS-20) I'm not very good with using emacs, maybe I should just stick with a more basic editor. Or find a better terminal emulator I don't have any real DEC terminals or any real DEC hardware yet. Apologies if any of my questions are a bit annoying or anything. Thanks! -- Cory

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embedded libraries for PDP-11, was Re: [HECnet] DECUS RSX C compiler

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/22/2012 02:56 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: The main barrier to a bare metal binary, or for that matter a not so bare metal one, is the supporting libraries. I did a *really* crude hack job on newlib to give me just enough bare metal support that I could run the GCC test suite under SIMH. But that certainly isn't enough for real bare metal. A pdp11 port of newlib would be a nice project. I tried... But it is too big. I think I got a fatty library because I selected the floating point support... I tried to use sprintf() and it didn't even fit into the PDP address space :(. The printf() family is GIGANTIC. In newlib there are non-FP-enabled versions of those functions; iprintf(), siprintf(), etc. They are much, much smaller than their floating-point counterparts. I suggest you try again with that and see where things land. I'm using them on ARM7 with great results. Granted that's got a much larger address space, but my resultant binaries and stack utilization are still pretty small. The 2.11BSD lib looks leaner, and I am using it in my pet OS project (I pick the pieces I need "on the run", I have not done a complete port... yet). If the above suggestion doesn't get you anywhere, perhaps avrlibc could be hacked into a PDP-11 library. All of the hardware support will have to be ripped out of course, but there are nice tight implementations of generic library functions in there. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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happy news

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/22/2012 10:00 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: I brought up my VAX 7000 yesterday. 2x HSJ50s CI-connected controllers with six 9GB SCSI drives, 1.5GB of RAM, and two 600-series processors, running VMS 7.3. It's not running full-time, but I'll be running it more as the weather turns colder. What a beautiful machine. Congratulations! Thank you! I love hearing the humming of my real VAXen... and those are a 4000/200 and a micro-3300. So I guess the humming of a 7000 is a thousand times better than that ;) The 7000 doesn't so much "hum" as it does "rumble". That gigantic low-speed blower is most impressive. (Weather has cooled a little bit around here... and I have been powering on my machines a little bit lately. Guess I will need no climatizer in winter). Nope! I need to figure out, watt for watt, if it's more expensive to heat with electricity (via big iron in my case) than natural gas here in western PA USA. I suspect gas is cheaper, but am not certain, and I don't know the transfer function of the boiler in my building. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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happy news

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 22/10/12 15:57, En/na Dave McGuire ha escrit: I brought up my VAX 7000 yesterday. 2x HSJ50s CI-connected controllers with six 9GB SCSI drives, 1.5GB of RAM, and two 600-series processors, running VMS 7.3. It's not running full-time, but I'll be running it more as the weather turns colder. What a beautiful machine. Congratulations! I love hearing the humming of my real VAXen... and those are a 4000/200 and a micro-3300. So I guess the humming of a 7000 is a thousand times better than that ;) (Weather has cooled a little bit around here... and I have been powering on my machines a little bit lately. Guess I will need no climatizer in winter).

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happy news

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I brought up my VAX 7000 yesterday. 2x HSJ50s CI-connected controllers with six 9GB SCSI drives, 1.5GB of RAM, and two 600-series processors, running VMS 7.3. It's not running full-time, but I'll be running it more as the weather turns colder. What a beautiful machine. Time for more processors. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Bad Bug in Windows Version of DECnet Router

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

Just in case anyone is trying the router on Windows, I just fixed a bad bug that causes heap corruption. The linux version is unaffected. Regards Rob

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Shameless plug: CHIMPY TETRIS Challenge now on.

by jferraro＠gmail.com

You're welcome to add it to wopr:: should you not have an alternative... On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:12 AM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So guys, This is getting REALLY competitive and the US players are complaining about ping times to a UK based server - the high-frequency trading equivalent of retrogaming. So my question: Is anyone willing to host this on a US-based telnetable VMS box as a captive account? Sampsa On 13 Oct 2012, at 15:07, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Guys, log on to CHIMPY:: as TETRIS and see if you can beat the current high score. I'm being all Web 2.0 and Social Media about this so there's even a FB page dedicated to the competition: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chimpy-Vt100-Retro-Tetris-Challenge/42111127…

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Shameless plug: CHIMPY TETRIS Challenge now on.

by sampsa＠mac.com

So guys, This is getting REALLY competitive and the US players are complaining about ping times to a UK based server - the high-frequency trading equivalent of retrogaming. So my question: Is anyone willing to host this on a US-based telnetable VMS box as a captive account? Sampsa On 13 Oct 2012, at 15:07, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Guys, log on to CHIMPY:: as TETRIS and see if you can beat the current high score. I'm being all Web 2.0 and Social Media about this so there's even a FB page dedicated to the competition: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chimpy-Vt100-Retro-Tetris-Challenge/42111127…

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Nodelist additions please..

by sampsa＠mac.com

Thanks. Sampsa On 15 Oct 2012, at 20:30, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-10-15 18:36, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Johnny, I renumbered QAMAR, SHAMS, LABVAX and KUHAVX as well as SOLAR5 to area 47. Can you update the node database? Will do, later tonight. As well as sign you up on area 47. Johnny Sampsa On 15 Oct 2012, at 18:33, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: OK, I'll have 47, it's a prime number and I'm that kinda guy. Sampsa On 15 Oct 2012, at 18:28, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2012-10-15 16:54, Sampsa Laine wrote: OK, I'll renumber - what's the next free area? The generic answer is: Look at MIM::US:[DECNET]DECNET.TXT Pick one... Johnny sampsa On 15 Oct 2012, at 17:24, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2012-10-15 14:23, Sampsa Laine wrote: Johnny, So can I have that area or should I renumber? I'm easy either way :) Easier if you pick an area noone have spoken for, just in case... Or else contact the person that signed up for that area, and sort it out with him. Johnny Sampsa On 15 Oct 2012, at 07:21, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/14/2012 08:13 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote: Really?? I didn't think he had any interest at all in stuff like this. He did manage that VAX at his last job. I wonder if that somehow got him interested? That's possible. I feel like he'd have mentioned it, though. (and if he did, Jen will never let him have the hardware ;)) SIMH on the Raspberry PI for the win! :-D There's that. Also, he's got a VMware host on his home network; "new machines" can just pop into existence on there with no spousal recognition whatsoever. =) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Nodelist additions please..

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2012-10-15 18:36, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Johnny, I renumbered QAMAR, SHAMS, LABVAX and KUHAVX as well as SOLAR5 to area 47. Can you update the node database? Will do, later tonight. As well as sign you up on area 47. Johnny Sampsa On 15 Oct 2012, at 18:33, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: OK, I'll have 47, it's a prime number and I'm that kinda guy. Sampsa On 15 Oct 2012, at 18:28, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2012-10-15 16:54, Sampsa Laine wrote: OK, I'll renumber - what's the next free area? The generic answer is: Look at MIM::US:[DECNET]DECNET.TXT Pick one... Johnny sampsa On 15 Oct 2012, at 17:24, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2012-10-15 14:23, Sampsa Laine wrote: Johnny, So can I have that area or should I renumber? I'm easy either way :) Easier if you pick an area noone have spoken for, just in case... Or else contact the person that signed up for that area, and sort it out with him. Johnny Sampsa On 15 Oct 2012, at 07:21, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/14/2012 08:13 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote: Really?? I didn't think he had any interest at all in stuff like this. He did manage that VAX at his last job. I wonder if that somehow got him interested? That's possible. I feel like he'd have mentioned it, though. (and if he did, Jen will never let him have the hardware ;)) SIMH on the Raspberry PI for the win! :-D There's that. Also, he's got a VMware host on his home network; "new machines" can just pop into existence on there with no spousal recognition whatsoever. =) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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