On 10/28/2012 03:25 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yes, under emulation but I keep getting stuck when it asks for disk 2
when I try to reinstall. which I've not found an image of on
ftp.trailing-edge.com what would the filename for the second tape
be?
"disk 2"?? What tape image are you installing from?
rstse_v10_1_install_sep10_1992.tap
It wasn't called "disk 2" exactly .but it wanted a second tape, and I'm not sure which second tape it wants.
Did it ask for a "library tape", perchance?
In any case, grab this one:
http://www.neurotica.com/htdocs/misc/rsts10-1.tap
Let me know when you have it so I can remove it from the server. Run
your install again from that one; it won't ask you for anything else.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/28/2012 03:22 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yes, under emulation but I keep getting stuck when it asks for disk 2
when I try to reinstall. which I've not found an image of on
ftp.trailing-edge.com what would the filename for the second tape
be?
"disk 2"?? What tape image are you installing from?
rstse_v10_1_install_sep10_1992.tap
It wasn't called "disk 2" exactly .but it wanted a second tape, and I'm not sure which second tape it wants.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/28/2012 03:22 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yes, under emulation but I keep getting stuck when it asks for disk 2
when I try to reinstall. which I've not found an image of on
ftp.trailing-edge.com what would the filename for the second tape
be?
"disk 2"?? What tape image are you installing from?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/28/2012 03:15 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Also if you figure out how to rebuild the monitor let me know.
Rebuilding the monitor is easy:
$ run sysgen$:sysgen
[answer lots of questions here]
$ assign/system sy:[0,12] sysgen$$
$ assign/system sy:[0,1] system$$
$ @sysgen (or "$ submit sysgen")
Either this doesn't apply to 10.1, or I've broken RSTS/E ;)
$ run sysgen$:sysgen
run sysgen$:sysgen
^
?File does not exist
$ @sysgen
@sysgen
^
?File does not exist
(yes, I assigned the logicals to)
You've broken RSTS/E. ;) This works under 10.1. Can you do a fresh
install from tape and try it from there? (you're doing this under
emulation, right?)
Yes, under emulation but I keep getting stuck when it asks for disk 2 when I try to reinstall. which I've not found an image of on ftp.trailing-edge.com what would the filename for the second tape be?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/28/2012 03:15 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Also if you figure out how to rebuild the monitor let me know.
Rebuilding the monitor is easy:
$ run sysgen$:sysgen
[answer lots of questions here]
$ assign/system sy:[0,12] sysgen$$
$ assign/system sy:[0,1] system$$
$ @sysgen (or "$ submit sysgen")
Either this doesn't apply to 10.1, or I've broken RSTS/E ;)
$ run sysgen$:sysgen
run sysgen$:sysgen
^
?File does not exist
$ @sysgen
@sysgen
^
?File does not exist
(yes, I assigned the logicals to)
You've broken RSTS/E. ;) This works under 10.1. Can you do a fresh
install from tape and try it from there? (you're doing this under
emulation, right?)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Oct 28, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/28/2012 12:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Also if you figure out how to rebuild the monitor let me know.
Rebuilding the monitor is easy:
$ run sysgen$:sysgen
[answer lots of questions here]
$ assign/system sy:[0,12] sysgen$$
$ assign/system sy:[0,1] system$$
$ @sysgen (or "$ submit sysgen")
Either this doesn't apply to 10.1, or I've broken RSTS/E ;)
$ run sysgen$:sysgen
run sysgen$:sysgen
^
?File does not exist
$ @sysgen
@sysgen
^
?File does not exist
(yes, I assigned the logicals to)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/28/2012 12:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Also if you figure out how to rebuild the monitor let me know.
Rebuilding the monitor is easy:
$ run sysgen$:sysgen
[answer lots of questions here]
$ assign/system sy:[0,12] sysgen$$
$ assign/system sy:[0,1] system$$
$ @sysgen (or "$ submit sysgen")
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
El 28/10/2012, a les 18:18, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
DECmail is also installed but not configured. And I may've just figured out why DECnet wasn't working, I'm going to go read the documentation and post back.
Okay, I've maybe made progress.
Alpha connecting to the RSTS/E system:
$ set host 33.301
%SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHOBJ, network object is unknown at remote node
And on 33.301:
Event type 34.1, Object spawn failure
Occurred 15-Oct-25 13:11:52.6 on node 33.301 (GEWT1)
Reason: Unknown Object identification
Source node = 33.302
Source process = 0 556 0 SYSTEM
Destination process = 42
(I have no idea what's with the 15-OCT-25, the date is set correctly on the system )
Attempting to reach 33.302 from 33.301:
$ set host 33.302
Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 33.302
?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol.
And it just times out when the VAX tries to contact the RSTS/E system/RSTS/E system tries to contact the VAX. VAX and ALPHA can reach each other and the Alpha can reach HECnet via the VAX
Any ideas?
RSTS does not support the CTERM protocol. It needs the old RTERM. I'm not sure if VMS Alpha supports it. VMS VAX 7.3 does:
$ set host/app=rterm bitxot
%REM-I-CONNECTION, connection made using RTERM protocol
%REM-I-REMOTE, connection established to remote node BITXOT::
RSTS V10.1-L 28-Oct-12 19:37
User: 200,1
Password:
Last interactive login on 28-Oct-12, 19:36 at KB37:
Last non-interactive login on 06-Jun-12, 00:59
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On Oct 28, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around
(that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with
DECNET support, please let me know.
If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never
done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out)
Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though)
I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine.
Try http://gewt.net/rsts.7z
It's RSTS/E v10.1 (so DCL OOTB), DECnet is installed but misconfigured, if you figure it out let me know. Also if you figure out how to rebuild the monitor let me know. A config is included in the archive that you'll want to modify a bit. I know the disk image says "v92" but trust me, it's 10.1.
Password for 1,2 is "epicfail" (don't ask)
It seems to not want to boot in simh git, but works in 3.8 and 3.9. (git may've been updated since I last tried, I should rebuild with debugging symbols and try and find the bug if it wasn't just me messing up).
DECmail is also installed but not configured. And I may've just figured out why DECnet wasn't working, I'm going to go read the documentation and post back.
Okay, I've maybe made progress.
Alpha connecting to the RSTS/E system:
$ set host 33.301
%SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHOBJ, network object is unknown at remote node
And on 33.301:
Event type 34.1, Object spawn failure
Occurred 15-Oct-25 13:11:52.6 on node 33.301 (GEWT1)
Reason: Unknown Object identification
Source node = 33.302
Source process = 0 556 0 SYSTEM
Destination process = 42
(I have no idea what's with the 15-OCT-25, the date is set correctly on the system )
Attempting to reach 33.302 from 33.301:
$ set host 33.302
Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 33.302
?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol.
And it just times out when the VAX tries to contact the RSTS/E system/RSTS/E system tries to contact the VAX. VAX and ALPHA can reach each other and the Alpha can reach HECnet via the VAX
Any ideas?
If I've made a terrible example for a turnkey install tell me so I can try again.
Sampsa
PS: I will plague people with noob questions..
If you get good answers, let me know.
On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around
(that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with
DECNET support, please let me know.
If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never
done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out)
Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though)
I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine.
Try http://gewt.net/rsts.7z
It's RSTS/E v10.1 (so DCL OOTB), DECnet is installed but misconfigured, if you figure it out let me know. Also if you figure out how to rebuild the monitor let me know. A config is included in the archive that you'll want to modify a bit. I know the disk image says "v92" but trust me, it's 10.1.
Password for 1,2 is "epicfail" (don't ask)
It seems to not want to boot in simh git, but works in 3.8 and 3.9. (git may've been updated since I last tried, I should rebuild with debugging symbols and try and find the bug if it wasn't just me messing up).
DECmail is also installed but not configured. And I may've just figured out why DECnet wasn't working, I'm going to go read the documentation and post back.
If I've made a terrible example for a turnkey install tell me so I can try again.
Sampsa
PS: I will plague people with noob questions..
If you get good answers, let me know.
El 25/10/2012, a les 22:21, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> va escriure:
Here is an excellent opportunity to debug something. You have the sources, you have listings and maps, and you have the failing address, along with the actual problem. Should be pretty easy to figure out. :-)
Lol, yes, it is. I'll give it a try :) I can guess the program is trying to access a word using R3 as indirect register :) R3 is the only one with an odd content! :)
Well, its sorta fixed... The compiler works OK if I DO NOT build the task agains FCSRES. It works if I answer "N" to both FCSRES and FCSFSL. So I've changed a compiler problem for a system configuration problem... :)
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around
(that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with
DECNET support, please let me know.
If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never
done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out)
Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though)
I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine.
Sampsa
PS: I will plague people with noob questions..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 20:39
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012, Steve Davidson wrote:
How are you dealing with the dynamic-DNS issues?
Er, manually ... :-/
Fred
Shift the connection to this end (bridge.declab.net) and forget about
it. It is all automatically taken care of here. I will need the IP of
the other end though...
-Steve
On 10/27/2012 07:31 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
i'm connected to the rest of HECnet through multinet's decnet-over-IP
tunnel to Fred's systems.
Which in this case is area 33, and I am connected to areas 19, 52
(although I don't think that is active all that much) and 2 via
Multinet tunnels.
Yeah, the 4000/90 still hasn't gotten turned back on since getting
soaked. No idea if it still even works.
I have little doubt that it'll be fine. Don't abandon hope yet.
Now that sampsa isn't passing through me I doubt there's much traffic
that passes through here at all. I'm a possible path is all at this
point. :)
I'm still connected through you (and Peter) but I've not been very
active lately. Things have been busy at work, now we're going kinda
crazy preparing for this storm. It's looking a bit scary.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/26/2012 4:57 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
On 26 Oct 2012, at 21:56, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Who are you? :-P
I'm not even sure myself at the moment, why? Is it important? ;)
My guess is...... no! :)
-brian
On 10/27/2012 2:14 PM, Fred wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012, Cory Smelosky wrote:
i'm connected to the rest of HECnet through multinet's decnet-over-IP tunnel to Fred's systems.
Which in this case is area 33, and I am connected to areas 19, 52 (although I don't think that is active all that much) and 2 via Multinet tunnels.
Yeah, the 4000/90 still hasn't gotten turned back on since getting soaked. No idea if it still even works.
Now that sampsa isn't passing through me I doubt there's much traffic that passes through here at all. I'm a possible path is all at this point. :)
-brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 14:15
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012, Cory Smelosky wrote:
i'm connected to the rest of HECnet through multinet's
decnet-over-IP
tunnel to Fred's systems.
Which in this case is area 33, and I am connected to areas
19, 52 (although I don't think that is active all that much)
and 2 via Multinet tunnels.
Fred
How are you dealing with the dynamic-DNS issues?
-Steve
On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around
(that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with
DECNET support, please let me know.
If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never
done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out)
Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though)
I could use the RSX one grab me an image and maybe I can poke around until I break it to the point using DECnet works.
I feel so out of the loop with all this pre-my-actual-physical birth
chatter.
You fit in just fine with us old farts. I don't know what that says
about you. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012, Cory Smelosky wrote:
i'm connected to the rest of HECnet through multinet's decnet-over-IP tunnel to Fred's systems.
Which in this case is area 33, and I am connected to areas 19, 52 (although I don't think that is active all that much) and 2 via Multinet tunnels.
Fred
On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around
(that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with
DECNET support, please let me know.
If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never
done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out)
I feel so out of the loop with all this pre-my-actual-physical birth
chatter.
You fit in just fine with us old farts. I don't know what that says
about you. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know.
I feel so out of the loop with all this pre-my-actual-physical birth chatter.
Sampsa
On 27 Oct 2012, at 04:31, Johnny Billquist wrote:
So, are both of your simulated machines on the same physical machine? And how are you connected to the rest of HECnet?
Johnny
On 2012-10-27 02:33, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Okay, I have OpenVMS and RSTS/E both installed with DECnet configured,
and the simulated VAX is acting as a level 1 router (as far as I know,
anyway I set it to act as a router in netconfig). However, neither the
emulated VAX nor the emulated PDP-11 can SET HOST to each other, and the
simulated PDP-11 cannot reach the rest of HECnet.
They both show adjacency status changes for each other.
DIR GEWT:: on the RSTS/E system (I'll call it GEWT1 for simplicity sake)
prompts me for a password, and an invalid password results in OPCOM
messages about invalid logins from its address (33.301). DIR GEWT1::
just results in -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently
reachable.
I ran tcpdump to see if packets were going anywhere, and they were.
https://www.refheap.com/paste/27fd44fa3ea5af2935eef8915
Is there something really obvious i'm missing? Please let me know, still
learning my way around here. ;)
(the networking setup: OpenVMS in SIMH in a FreeBSD VM that is bridged
with the host (using bpf). RSTS/E is on the host attached to the
bridge's interface (vmbr0). The host runs linux.)
-- Cory
On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
So, are both of your simulated machines on the same physical machine? And how are you connected to the rest of HECnet?
Yes, and I can communicate with other VMs on the same physical machine without issue. I brought up a simulated alpha on the host and it can contact the simulated VAX fine, along with the rest of HECnet.
i'm connected to the rest of HECnet through multinet's decnet-over-IP tunnel to Fred's systems.
Johnny
On 2012-10-27 02:33, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Okay, I have OpenVMS and RSTS/E both installed with DECnet configured,
and the simulated VAX is acting as a level 1 router (as far as I know,
anyway I set it to act as a router in netconfig). However, neither the
emulated VAX nor the emulated PDP-11 can SET HOST to each other, and the
simulated PDP-11 cannot reach the rest of HECnet.
They both show adjacency status changes for each other.
DIR GEWT:: on the RSTS/E system (I'll call it GEWT1 for simplicity sake)
prompts me for a password, and an invalid password results in OPCOM
messages about invalid logins from its address (33.301). DIR GEWT1::
just results in -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently
reachable.
I ran tcpdump to see if packets were going anywhere, and they were.
https://www.refheap.com/paste/27fd44fa3ea5af2935eef8915
Is there something really obvious i'm missing? Please let me know, still
learning my way around here. ;)
(the networking setup: OpenVMS in SIMH in a FreeBSD VM that is bridged
with the host (using bpf). RSTS/E is on the host attached to the
bridge's interface (vmbr0). The host runs linux.)
-- Cory
So, are both of your simulated machines on the same physical machine? And how are you connected to the rest of HECnet?
Johnny
On 2012-10-27 02:33, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Okay, I have OpenVMS and RSTS/E both installed with DECnet configured,
and the simulated VAX is acting as a level 1 router (as far as I know,
anyway I set it to act as a router in netconfig). However, neither the
emulated VAX nor the emulated PDP-11 can SET HOST to each other, and the
simulated PDP-11 cannot reach the rest of HECnet.
They both show adjacency status changes for each other.
DIR GEWT:: on the RSTS/E system (I'll call it GEWT1 for simplicity sake)
prompts me for a password, and an invalid password results in OPCOM
messages about invalid logins from its address (33.301). DIR GEWT1::
just results in -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently
reachable.
I ran tcpdump to see if packets were going anywhere, and they were.
https://www.refheap.com/paste/27fd44fa3ea5af2935eef8915
Is there something really obvious i'm missing? Please let me know, still
learning my way around here. ;)
(the networking setup: OpenVMS in SIMH in a FreeBSD VM that is bridged
with the host (using bpf). RSTS/E is on the host attached to the
bridge's interface (vmbr0). The host runs linux.)
-- Cory
Okay, I have OpenVMS and RSTS/E both installed with DECnet configured, and the simulated VAX is acting as a level 1 router (as far as I know, anyway I set it to act as a router in netconfig). However, neither the emulated VAX nor the emulated PDP-11 can SET HOST to each other, and the simulated PDP-11 cannot reach the rest of HECnet.
They both show adjacency status changes for each other.
DIR GEWT:: on the RSTS/E system (I'll call it GEWT1 for simplicity sake) prompts me for a password, and an invalid password results in OPCOM messages about invalid logins from its address (33.301). DIR GEWT1:: just results in -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable.
I ran tcpdump to see if packets were going anywhere, and they were.
https://www.refheap.com/paste/27fd44fa3ea5af2935eef8915
Is there something really obvious i'm missing? Please let me know, still learning my way around here. ;)
(the networking setup: OpenVMS in SIMH in a FreeBSD VM that is bridged with the host (using bpf). RSTS/E is on the host attached to the bridge's interface (vmbr0). The host runs linux.)
-- Cory