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On 29 Oct 2012, at 14:03, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Another stupid question: How do i set the DECNET address? I think you might need to reinstall DECnet, the tape is up on that ftp site and can be installed the same way as DECmail. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:42, Sampsa Laine wrote: Stupid question, where can I find said tape? Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:38, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 29 Oct 2012, at 13:26, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: DECmail would rock - how hard is it to install? Not very hard at all! 1). grab tape 2). attach tape (read the .ini) 3). log in! 4). @[0,1]instal layered_products 5). choose decmail 6). Press return until it completes. No idea how to configure it though, but considering the lack of TCP/IP i'd assume it's pretty much just for users of the system it's installed on, might have DECnet bits though. I know NOTHING about RSTS btw.. I barely know anything about RSTS myself ;). I'm trying to learn my way around, though. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:01, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? If you want to rebuild your own monitor, give me a couple minutes to upload a new image. If you just want an install to play with, use http://gewt.net/rsts.7z with a pass for 1,2 of "epicfail" http://gewt.net/rsts-proper.7z 1,2 still has a pass of epicfail and I believe there's also 99,98 with a password of testing. This doesn't have DECmail installed though. A config for simh is included, edit it to suit your needs. I'm not amazing at this or I'd add a nice README and a shiny barely-valid-HTML webpage that looks like it came from 1993 about it. Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Another stupid question: How do i set the DECNET address? Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:42, Sampsa Laine wrote: Stupid question, where can I find said tape? Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:38, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 29 Oct 2012, at 13:26, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: DECmail would rock - how hard is it to install? Not very hard at all! 1). grab tape 2). attach tape (read the .ini) 3). log in! 4). @[0,1]instal layered_products 5). choose decmail 6). Press return until it completes. No idea how to configure it though, but considering the lack of TCP/IP i'd assume it's pretty much just for users of the system it's installed on, might have DECnet bits though. I know NOTHING about RSTS btw.. I barely know anything about RSTS myself ;). I'm trying to learn my way around, though. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:01, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? If you want to rebuild your own monitor, give me a couple minutes to upload a new image. If you just want an install to play with, use http://gewt.net/rsts.7z with a pass for 1,2 of "epicfail" http://gewt.net/rsts-proper.7z 1,2 still has a pass of epicfail and I believe there's also 99,98 with a password of testing. This doesn't have DECmail installed though. A config for simh is included, edit it to suit your needs. I'm not amazing at this or I'd add a nice README and a shiny barely-valid-HTML webpage that looks like it came from 1993 about it. Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

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by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Oct 2012, at 13:42, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Stupid question, where can I find said tape? ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsts_freeware/ or similar, might not be that exact directory. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:38, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 29 Oct 2012, at 13:26, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: DECmail would rock - how hard is it to install? Not very hard at all! 1). grab tape 2). attach tape (read the .ini) 3). log in! 4). @[0,1]instal layered_products 5). choose decmail 6). Press return until it completes. No idea how to configure it though, but considering the lack of TCP/IP i'd assume it's pretty much just for users of the system it's installed on, might have DECnet bits though. I know NOTHING about RSTS btw.. I barely know anything about RSTS myself ;). I'm trying to learn my way around, though. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:01, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? If you want to rebuild your own monitor, give me a couple minutes to upload a new image. If you just want an install to play with, use http://gewt.net/rsts.7z with a pass for 1,2 of "epicfail" http://gewt.net/rsts-proper.7z 1,2 still has a pass of epicfail and I believe there's also 99,98 with a password of testing. This doesn't have DECmail installed though. A config for simh is included, edit it to suit your needs. I'm not amazing at this or I'd add a nice README and a shiny barely-valid-HTML webpage that looks like it came from 1993 about it. Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Stupid question, where can I find said tape? Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:38, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 29 Oct 2012, at 13:26, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: DECmail would rock - how hard is it to install? Not very hard at all! 1). grab tape 2). attach tape (read the .ini) 3). log in! 4). @[0,1]instal layered_products 5). choose decmail 6). Press return until it completes. No idea how to configure it though, but considering the lack of TCP/IP i'd assume it's pretty much just for users of the system it's installed on, might have DECnet bits though. I know NOTHING about RSTS btw.. I barely know anything about RSTS myself ;). I'm trying to learn my way around, though. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:01, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? If you want to rebuild your own monitor, give me a couple minutes to upload a new image. If you just want an install to play with, use http://gewt.net/rsts.7z with a pass for 1,2 of "epicfail" http://gewt.net/rsts-proper.7z 1,2 still has a pass of epicfail and I believe there's also 99,98 with a password of testing. This doesn't have DECmail installed though. A config for simh is included, edit it to suit your needs. I'm not amazing at this or I'd add a nice README and a shiny barely-valid-HTML webpage that looks like it came from 1993 about it. Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

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by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Oct 2012, at 13:26, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: DECmail would rock - how hard is it to install? Not very hard at all! 1). grab tape 2). attach tape (read the .ini) 3). log in! 4). @[0,1]instal layered_products 5). choose decmail 6). Press return until it completes. No idea how to configure it though, but considering the lack of TCP/IP i'd assume it's pretty much just for users of the system it's installed on, might have DECnet bits though. I know NOTHING about RSTS btw.. I barely know anything about RSTS myself ;). I'm trying to learn my way around, though. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:01, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? If you want to rebuild your own monitor, give me a couple minutes to upload a new image. If you just want an install to play with, use http://gewt.net/rsts.7z with a pass for 1,2 of "epicfail" http://gewt.net/rsts-proper.7z 1,2 still has a pass of epicfail and I believe there's also 99,98 with a password of testing. This doesn't have DECmail installed though. A config for simh is included, edit it to suit your needs. I'm not amazing at this or I'd add a nice README and a shiny barely-valid-HTML webpage that looks like it came from 1993 about it. Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

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by sampsa＠mac.com

DECmail would rock - how hard is it to install? I know NOTHING about RSTS btw.. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:01, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? If you want to rebuild your own monitor, give me a couple minutes to upload a new image. If you just want an install to play with, use http://gewt.net/rsts.7z with a pass for 1,2 of "epicfail" http://gewt.net/rsts-proper.7z 1,2 still has a pass of epicfail and I believe there's also 99,98 with a password of testing. This doesn't have DECmail installed though. A config for simh is included, edit it to suit your needs. I'm not amazing at this or I'd add a nice README and a shiny barely-valid-HTML webpage that looks like it came from 1993 about it. Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

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RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? If you want to rebuild your own monitor, give me a couple minutes to upload a new image. If you just want an install to play with, use http://gewt.net/rsts.7z with a pass for 1,2 of "epicfail" http://gewt.net/rsts-proper.7z 1,2 still has a pass of epicfail and I believe there's also 99,98 with a password of testing. This doesn't have DECmail installed though. A config for simh is included, edit it to suit your needs. I'm not amazing at this or I'd add a nice README and a shiny barely-valid-HTML webpage that looks like it came from 1993 about it. Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

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RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? If you want to rebuild your own monitor, give me a couple minutes to upload a new image. If you just want an install to play with, use http://gewt.net/rsts.7z with a pass for 1,2 of "epicfail" Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

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RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by sampsa＠mac.com

So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: Al 29/10/12 13:08, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: It works mostly "out of the box" with the Panda distribution. You have to fiddle a little bit with the configuration file but IIRC it is pretty straightforward. I'll check it when I get access to my machine. Or you can check it yourself SET HOSTing to BITXT2 in HECnet. Unknown node, what's its address? Could you explain what you did to configure it? I am not at home now, so I will probably forgert something. You must edit SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD and add/modify the following lines: NODE <your_node> <area.address> DECNET ROUTER-ENDNODE ETHERNET 0 DECNET 29-Oct-2012 09:33:11 ***BUGCHK COMBNN*** Bad local node number Job: 0, User: OPERATOR [KNILDR: Loading microcode version 1(172) into Ethernet channel 0] TYPE SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD shows: NODE MINDY 33.303 DECNET ROUTER-ENDNODE ETHERNET 0 DECNET Trying to enter opr so I can enter NCP and see if I can get more information but nothing happens when I type opr<ret> as operator. The system is not reachable via decnet. Did I forget a setting somewhere? By the way, the address of BITXT2 is 7.78; you can login using GUEST / GUEST. I have not tried to configure it as a router, so I can not tell if anything different of ROUTER-ENDNODE would work. By the way, there is no "permanent database" in TOPS-20 DECNET, so you have to define the nodes everytime. I made a command procedure to do that parsing the output of a LIST KNOWN NODES, but unfortunately I can't tell you how do I invoke that command procedure now (I just forgot that!). The tricky part was the host configuration. I was unable to share the ethernet card of the host, so I resorted to the (somehow convoluted) solution of running a minimal linux system inside a virtualbox vm with several ethernet adapters and then run KLT10 inside the VM, using one of the virtual ethernet devices. I have it attached to a bridge and it is reachable via TCP/IP, so networking works.

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 29/10/12 13:08, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: It works mostly "out of the box" with the Panda distribution. You have to fiddle a little bit with the configuration file but IIRC it is pretty straightforward. I'll check it when I get access to my machine. Or you can check it yourself SET HOSTing to BITXT2 in HECnet. > Unknown node, what's its address? Could you explain what you did to configure it? I am not at home now, so I will probably forgert something. You must edit SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD and add/modify the following lines: NODE <your_node> <area.address> DECNET ROUTER-ENDNODE ETHERNET 0 DECNET By the way, the address of BITXT2 is 7.78; you can login using GUEST / GUEST. I have not tried to configure it as a router, so I can not tell if anything different of ROUTER-ENDNODE would work. By the way, there is no "permanent database" in TOPS-20 DECNET, so you have to define the nodes everytime. I made a command procedure to do that parsing the output of a LIST KNOWN NODES, but unfortunately I can't tell you how do I invoke that command procedure now (I just forgot that!). The tricky part was the host configuration. I was unable to share the ethernet card of the host, so I resorted to the (somehow convoluted) solution of running a minimal linux system inside a virtualbox vm with several ethernet adapters and then run KLT10 inside the VM, using one of the virtual ethernet devices.

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DECnet VMS <-> RSTS/E

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2012-10-29 15:01, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Jordi Guillaumes i Pons Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa El 29/10/2012, a les 8:07, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> va escriure: Going from RSTS/E to VMS via "SET HOST 61.2" gives me this: --------------------------------------------- $ set host 61.2 Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 61.2 ?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol. I don't think you can use RTERM as an incoming protocol. And since you can't use it outgoing (from the Alpha) I guess it has been removed from Alpha VMS too... There are two generations of terminal protocol (not counting LAT). The newer of the two is Cterm, which is very large and very complicated. VMS supports it, RSTS doesn't. (I forgot if RSX does.) RSX do. But there are issues, but mostly it works well enough to be at least usable... The earlier one doesn't have a name as far as I remember. Also, it isn't one protocol; instead, it's a separate protocol for each destination OS type. The VMS and RSX flavors roughly correspond to the terminal QIO operations, you could think of them as a sort of RPC. The RSTS one is a bit like telnet in that it comes with a simple line mode and a raw character mode. The TOPS-20 one is just raw character mode. All of these use the same DECnet object number, the distinction between the different protocols is made when you connect. Right. The RSX flavor is rather weird in that the I/O is done locally as whole I/O operations. Comparing it with RPC is probably a good way to explain it, as far as I can tell. RSX have separate application for connecting to RSTS/E (RRS), TOPS-20 (HOST) and RSX (RMT), but they are all in the "unsupported tasks" category. Also, the application installed on RSTS by default for Set Host ("net") is the RSTS-only subject of the older protocol. The message you see comes from that application. You need to install the "unsupported" multi-OS version ("netuns"). With that in place, it should be able to talk to any OS. If VMS didn't have the older protocol listener in place, you'd get a different error message: a failure to connect due to the DECnet object not being defined at the destination. "Unknown object" or something similar, I would think. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/28/2012 07:31 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Got it reinstalled it still doesn't work the way you said to do it, but doing it through @[0,1]instal works so i'll just use that route any time I need to build a monitor Urr? You did a CLEAN install on a blank destination disk? From the tape image that I gave you? I just did it that way.. How might I go about adding "users" in RSTS/E? $ CREATE/ACCOUNT (see "help create /account") Note: An "account" under RSTS/E can mean a "user account" that gets logged into, or just a "directory". That can be confusing. Just bear that in mind as you read. Originally, there wasn't any such thing as a directory (on the system disk, that is) that wasn't available for login. So it was called an "account". Somewhere around V8 or V9, the notion of a "no-user account" was added, which is somewhat like you find on Unix when the password is set to "*" -- you have a directory and possibly some other attributes like a name, but no password and no other user-related attributes like quotas, so you can't log in. There's "create/account" and "create/account/nouser". If you create an "account" on a non-system disk, it's no-user by default. Also, accounts with group number 0 -- like [0,200] -- are always no-user; group 0 is restricted that way. paul

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DECnet VMS <-> RSTS/E

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Jordi Guillaumes i Pons Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa El 29/10/2012, a les 8:07, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> va escriure: Going from RSTS/E to VMS via "SET HOST 61.2" gives me this: --------------------------------------------- $ set host 61.2 Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 61.2 ?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol. I don't think you can use RTERM as an incoming protocol. And since you can't use it outgoing (from the Alpha) I guess it has been removed from Alpha VMS too... There are two generations of terminal protocol (not counting LAT). The newer of the two is Cterm, which is very large and very complicated. VMS supports it, RSTS doesn't. (I forgot if RSX does.) The earlier one doesn't have a name as far as I remember. Also, it isn't one protocol; instead, it's a separate protocol for each destination OS type. The VMS and RSX flavors roughly correspond to the terminal QIO operations, you could think of them as a sort of RPC. The RSTS one is a bit like telnet in that it comes with a simple line mode and a raw character mode. The TOPS-20 one is just raw character mode. All of these use the same DECnet object number, the distinction between the different protocols is made when you connect. Also, the application installed on RSTS by default for Set Host ("net") is the RSTS-only subject of the older protocol. The message you see comes from that application. You need to install the "unsupported" multi-OS version ("netuns"). With that in place, it should be able to talk to any OS. If VMS didn't have the older protocol listener in place, you'd get a different error message: a failure to connect due to the DECnet object not being defined at the destination. paul

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Oct 2012, at 03:30, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: Jordi Guillaumes i Pons Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa El 29/10/2012, a les 1:38, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure: As that could take some time, have any experience with DECnet and TOPS-20 in klh10? I read the documentation for it but it wasn't particularly helpful with regards to the networking "fronted" klh10 emulates, and I can't exactly load the executor config stuff to bring the node and circuit online. It works mostly "out of the box" with the Panda distribution. You have to fiddle a little bit with the configuration file but IIRC it is pretty straightforward. I'll check it when I get access to my machine. Or you can check it yourself SET HOSTing to BITXT2 in HECnet. Unknown node, what's its address? Could you explain what you did to configure it?

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DECnet VMS <-> RSTS/E

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/29/2012 03:26 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Going from RSTS/E to VMS via "SET HOST 61.2" gives me this: --------------------------------------------- $ set host 61.2 Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 61.2 ?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol. I don't think you can use RTERM as an incoming protocol. And since you can't use it outgoing (from the Alpha) I guess it has been removed from Alpha VMS too... I don't think it has been removed...it seems to be just plain crashing. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Jordi Guillaumes i Pons Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa El 29/10/2012, a les 1:38, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure: As that could take some time, have any experience with DECnet and TOPS-20 in klh10? I read the documentation for it but it wasn't particularly helpful with regards to the networking "fronted" klh10 emulates, and I can't exactly load the executor config stuff to bring the node and circuit online. It works mostly "out of the box" with the Panda distribution. You have to fiddle a little bit with the configuration file but IIRC it is pretty straightforward. I'll check it when I get access to my machine. Or you can check it yourself SET HOSTing to BITXT2 in HECnet.

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DECnet VMS <-> RSTS/E

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Jordi Guillaumes i Pons Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa El 29/10/2012, a les 8:07, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> va escriure: Going from RSTS/E to VMS via "SET HOST 61.2" gives me this: --------------------------------------------- $ set host 61.2 Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 61.2 ?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol. I don't think you can use RTERM as an incoming protocol. And since you can't use it outgoing (from the Alpha) I guess it has been removed from Alpha VMS too... The only "solution" I can think about is to use a simulated VAX to SET HOST into the RSTS machine, or to stick to LAT. But that would work just in one direction.

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DECnet VMS <-> RSTS/E

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hi guys. I fired up a (real hardware) PDP-11 tonight and did some DECnet testing between it and my up-24/7 Alpha. The systems are a DS10L running VMS v8.3 node 61.2 (AXPEE), and a PDP-11/53 running RSTS/E v10.1 and DECnet/E v4.1, node 61.4 (MECCA). Going from VMS to RSTS/E via "SET HOST/APP=RTERM 61.4" gives me the same crash as was reported earlier. Going from RSTS/E to VMS via "SET HOST 61.2" gives me this: --------------------------------------------- $ set host 61.2 Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 61.2 ?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol. Control returned to node MECCA --------------------------------------------- Note: File operations work bidirectionally without difficulty. I log into the PDP-11 from my desktop via LAT using the "llogin" command, as I have LAT running on the PDP-11. I can also reach the Alpha via LAT. I don't know how to establish an outbound LAT connection in RSTS/E (and it's getting late) so I haven't tried that. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 08:57 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Got it reinstalled it still doesn't work the way you said to do it, but doing it through @[0,1]instal works so i'll just use that route any time I need to build a monitor On that note...are you sure that you set the logicals that I told you about in my first message about this? $ assign/system sy:[0,12] sysgen$$ $ assign/system sy:[0,1] system$$ After assigning the logicals it works fine. Seems I forgot to set them last time I tried. Oops. Ahh ok. Mystery solved. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 8:53 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 08:22 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Got it reinstalled it still doesn't work the way you said to do it, but doing it through @[0,1]instal works so i'll just use that route any time I need to build a monitor On that note...are you sure that you set the logicals that I told you about in my first message about this? $ assign/system sy:[0,12] sysgen$$ $ assign/system sy:[0,1] system$$ After assigning the logicals it works fine. Seems I forgot to set them last time I tried. Oops. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 08:22 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Got it reinstalled it still doesn't work the way you said to do it, but doing it through @[0,1]instal works so i'll just use that route any time I need to build a monitor On that note...are you sure that you set the logicals that I told you about in my first message about this? $ assign/system sy:[0,12] sysgen$$ $ assign/system sy:[0,1] system$$ -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 08:38 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Ok. I'll bring up a RSTS/E system and run some tests here. This will involve real hardware; none of my emulated systems are networked right now. I may get to this later tonight. You have a lot of real DEC hardware, don't you? ;) Yep. I would estimate about 45-50, not including destkop machines. Including desktop machines...it's...um, a LOT. And I wouldn't live any other way. As that could take some time, have any experience with DECnet and TOPS-20 in klh10? With DECnet on that platform, none at all. Sorry. :-( I read the documentation for it but it wasn't particularly helpful with regards to the networking "fronted" klh10 emulates, and I can't exactly load the executor config stuff to bring the node and circuit online. If Peter is around, he's your man here, I think. Two things I can tell you is that I can easily reach a RSTS/E system from a Linux system via LAT, and also file operations work between that pair. File operations also work between the RSTS/E system and an Alpha running VMS. (all real hardware) I've probably misconfigured something obvious. Could be. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 08:22 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: What's up with your DECnet installation, again? It's connected to the network, yet it can't reach any other nodes. Adjacency notices between nodes are seen, but they cannot communicate. Alpha to RSTS/E resulted in $ set host/app=rterm 33.301 %REM-I-CONNECTION, connection made using RTERM protocol %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=0000517000008AA4, PC=0000517000008AA4, PS=0000001B Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. Signal arguments: Number = 0000000000000005 Name = 000000000000000C 0000000000000000 0000517000008AA4 0000517000008AA4 000000000000001B Register dump: R0 = 0000000000000003 R1 = 0000000000008F50 R2 = 0000000000008134 R3 = 0000000000034804 R4 = 000000007FFCF814 R5 = 0000000000009AEF R6 = 0000000000000000 R7 = 0000000000000001 R8 = 000000000003481D R9 = 000000007FF9DDF0 R10 = 000000007FFA4F28 R11 = 000000007FFCDC18 R12 = 000000007FFCDA98 R13 = 0000000000005170 R14 = 0000000000008E28 R15 = 0000000000008E28 R16 = 0000000002A83089 R17 = 0000000000200000 R18 = FFFFFFFF809043A0 R19 = FFFFFFFF816367D0 R20 = 0000000000000002 R21 = 0000000000000000 R22 = 000000007AE4BA54 R23 = FFFFFFFF80190A50 R24 = 0000000000000001 R25 = 0000000000000003 R26 = FFFFFFFF80190A8C R27 = 000000007AE4BA54 R28 = 0000000000000006 R29 = 000000007AE4BA60 SP = 000000007AE4BA30 PC = 0000517000008AA4 PS = 300000000000001B $ And VAX to RSTS/E just results in a timeout. Attempting to dir from an Alpha results in the request being seen on RSTS/E, but it fails. RSTS/E to Alpha results in $ set host 33.302 Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 33.302 ?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol. Control returned to node MINDY So, I don't know what I misconfigured. Ok. I'll bring up a RSTS/E system and run some tests here. This will involve real hardware; none of my emulated systems are networked right now. I may get to this later tonight. You have a lot of real DEC hardware, don't you? ;) As that could take some time, have any experience with DECnet and TOPS-20 in klh10? I read the documentation for it but it wasn't particularly helpful with regards to the networking "fronted" klh10 emulates, and I can't exactly load the executor config stuff to bring the node and circuit online. Two things I can tell you is that I can easily reach a RSTS/E system from a Linux system via LAT, and also file operations work between that pair. File operations also work between the RSTS/E system and an Alpha running VMS. (all real hardware) I've probably misconfigured something obvious. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 08:22 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: What's up with your DECnet installation, again? It's connected to the network, yet it can't reach any other nodes. Adjacency notices between nodes are seen, but they cannot communicate. Alpha to RSTS/E resulted in $ set host/app=rterm 33.301 %REM-I-CONNECTION, connection made using RTERM protocol %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=0000517000008AA4, PC=0000517000008AA4, PS=0000001B Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. Signal arguments: Number = 0000000000000005 Name = 000000000000000C 0000000000000000 0000517000008AA4 0000517000008AA4 000000000000001B Register dump: R0 = 0000000000000003 R1 = 0000000000008F50 R2 = 0000000000008134 R3 = 0000000000034804 R4 = 000000007FFCF814 R5 = 0000000000009AEF R6 = 0000000000000000 R7 = 0000000000000001 R8 = 000000000003481D R9 = 000000007FF9DDF0 R10 = 000000007FFA4F28 R11 = 000000007FFCDC18 R12 = 000000007FFCDA98 R13 = 0000000000005170 R14 = 0000000000008E28 R15 = 0000000000008E28 R16 = 0000000002A83089 R17 = 0000000000200000 R18 = FFFFFFFF809043A0 R19 = FFFFFFFF816367D0 R20 = 0000000000000002 R21 = 0000000000000000 R22 = 000000007AE4BA54 R23 = FFFFFFFF80190A50 R24 = 0000000000000001 R25 = 0000000000000003 R26 = FFFFFFFF80190A8C R27 = 000000007AE4BA54 R28 = 0000000000000006 R29 = 000000007AE4BA60 SP = 000000007AE4BA30 PC = 0000517000008AA4 PS = 300000000000001B $ And VAX to RSTS/E just results in a timeout. Attempting to dir from an Alpha results in the request being seen on RSTS/E, but it fails. RSTS/E to Alpha results in $ set host 33.302 Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 33.302 ?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol. Control returned to node MINDY So, I don't know what I misconfigured. Ok. I'll bring up a RSTS/E system and run some tests here. This will involve real hardware; none of my emulated systems are networked right now. I may get to this later tonight. Two things I can tell you is that I can easily reach a RSTS/E system from a Linux system via LAT, and also file operations work between that pair. File operations also work between the RSTS/E system and an Alpha running VMS. (all real hardware) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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