Don't forget we'd need an ERP to maintain list subscribers, their contacts and equipment.
On Nov 1, 2012, at 9:49, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Oh I know, let's build some huge monstrosity consisting of Java 2 EE, PHP and NoSQL, with some legacy PL/I thrown in for fun. Then make it web-based with a UI designed by somebody with BOTH synaesthesia and colour-blindness, with a fondness for the "Icons are all pretty much the same as long as they're roundrects".
Maybe I should stop working with "enterprise" software.
Sampsa
On 1 Nov 2012, at 15:45, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:28:39PM +0100, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-10-31 19:48, RCS/RI info wrote:
How do I set my subscription to this list to digest mode? I tried the standard majordomo commands without success.
Good question. I'm not sure if the (old version of) majordomo we're
running have that function.
hah.. we are running the latest version of majordomo, which is > 10
years old. I've patched it to work with later perl versions. But now I'm
trying to stay out of it. There has been talk of giving majordomo the
boot and install something else.
/P
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012, Fred wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Maybe I should stop working with "enterprise" software.
I know ! I know !
What about Micro$oft .NET ? :) (ducks)
Just kidding of course.
Being serious for a moment, what about mailman?
Mailman is what we've been looking at as the most likely replacement.
Whenever we get around to it.. :)
/Jesper
On 2012-10-31 22:46, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I keep forgetting to send an email about this:
Can I get:
33.300 (GEWT)
33.301 (GEWT1)
33.302 (MISSY)
33.303 (MINDY)
33.305 (MNCSTR)
added to the master node database please?
(yeah, I know I skipped 33.304)
Thanks!
(unrelated: but I see there's a DARMOK and JALAD in the nodelist, are they by chance virtual machines running on a host named TANAGRA? ;) )
Database updated.
Johnny
On Nov 1, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Fred <fcoffey at misernet.net> wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Maybe I should stop working with "enterprise" software.
I know ! I know !
What about Micro$oft .NET ? :) (ducks)
Only if its Visual J# .NET or whatever it was renamed to last.
Just kidding of course.
Being serious for a moment, what about mailman?
No objections here. Mailman could also give us pipermail archives.
We could also set up a little UUCP and NNTP on UNIX VMs network ;) link them together with simh's serial line emulation and simulate modems...unless we do KERMIT crontabs.
Fred
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Maybe I should stop working with "enterprise" software.
I know ! I know !
What about Micro$oft .NET ? :) (ducks)
Just kidding of course.
Being serious for a moment, what about mailman?
Fred
Oh I know, let's build some huge monstrosity consisting of Java 2 EE, PHP and NoSQL, with some legacy PL/I thrown in for fun. Then make it web-based with a UI designed by somebody with BOTH synaesthesia and colour-blindness, with a fondness for the "Icons are all pretty much the same as long as they're roundrects".
Maybe I should stop working with "enterprise" software.
Sampsa
On 1 Nov 2012, at 15:45, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:28:39PM +0100, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-10-31 19:48, RCS/RI info wrote:
How do I set my subscription to this list to digest mode? I tried the standard majordomo commands without success.
Good question. I'm not sure if the (old version of) majordomo we're
running have that function.
hah.. we are running the latest version of majordomo, which is > 10
years old. I've patched it to work with later perl versions. But now I'm
trying to stay out of it. There has been talk of giving majordomo the
boot and install something else.
/P
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:28:39PM +0100, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-10-31 19:48, RCS/RI info wrote:
How do I set my subscription to this list to digest mode? I tried the standard majordomo commands without success.
Good question. I'm not sure if the (old version of) majordomo we're
running have that function.
hah.. we are running the latest version of majordomo, which is > 10
years old. I've patched it to work with later perl versions. But now I'm
trying to stay out of it. There has been talk of giving majordomo the
boot and install something else.
/P
On 10/31/2012 05:07 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
When you installed RSTS/E and configured DECnet, what options did you
give? I want to see what I did wrong. Did you do anything after
installing the layered product that was special or did you configure
it in the little installer thingy?
I did this awhile ago, but I don't recall having configured anything
particularly special. I'll go through it again and see if anything comes to mind. I'll probably do that tomorrow.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
:-)
My lady and I walked up to the PDP-11 and I explained that there was a
guy in Russia logged into the machine. She very much liked that. :-)
-Dave
On 11/01/2012 01:36 AM, Oleg Safiullin wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
I've decided to leave my PDP-11/53 up and running for awhile. The
recent temperature decrease in my area may have been a factor in this
decision. ;) It may go up and down, but it should be up most of the
time.
It is MECCA, node 61.4. The login is "10,1" and the password is
"hecnet", sans brackets and quotes.
FORTRAN, BP2, and C are installed.
Log in and have fun!
-Dave
hehe :)
--
SET /HOST
Host=CTAKAH RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87
RRS MECCA
CTAKAH::RRS -- Connection established to node MECCA::
RSTS V10.1-L 01-Nov-99 01:32 AM
User: 10,1
PASSWORD:
LAST INTERACTIVE LOGIN ON 01-NOV-99, 01:11 AM AT KB6:
WELCOME TO MECCA (61.4), A DEC PDP-11/53 (NON-EMULATED)
IT IS RUNNING RSTS/E V10.1 WITH DECNET/E V4.1
IT IS LOCATED IN NEW KENSINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA, USA
PLEASE DIRECT QUESTIONS TO DAVE MCGUIRE <MCGUIRE at NEUROTICA.COM>
$
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Dave McGuire wrote:
I've decided to leave my PDP-11/53 up and running for awhile. The
recent temperature decrease in my area may have been a factor in this
decision. ;) It may go up and down, but it should be up most of the time.
It is MECCA, node 61.4. The login is "10,1" and the password is
"hecnet", sans brackets and quotes.
FORTRAN, BP2, and C are installed.
Log in and have fun!
-Dave
hehe :)
--
>SET /HOST
Host=CTAKAH RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87
>RRS MECCA
CTAKAH::RRS -- Connection established to node MECCA::
RSTS V10.1-L 01-Nov-99 01:32 AM
User: 10,1
PASSWORD:
LAST INTERACTIVE LOGIN ON 01-NOV-99, 01:11 AM AT KB6:
WELCOME TO MECCA (61.4), A DEC PDP-11/53 (NON-EMULATED)
IT IS RUNNING RSTS/E V10.1 WITH DECNET/E V4.1
IT IS LOCATED IN NEW KENSINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA, USA
PLEASE DIRECT QUESTIONS TO DAVE MCGUIRE <MCGUIRE at NEUROTICA.COM>
$
On 11/01/2012 01:24 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:
I've decided to leave my PDP-11/53 up and running for awhile. The
recent temperature decrease in my area may have been a factor in this
decision. ;) It may go up and down, but it should be up most of the time.
It is MECCA, node 61.4. The login is "10,1" and the password is
"hecnet", sans brackets and quotes.
FORTRAN, BP2, and C are installed.
Log in and have fun!
Oh, and remember, from VMS, you'll need to be coming from a pre-8.x
machine (as far as I can tell), using "SET HOST/APPL=RTERM MECCA". You
may need to hop through something.
Johnny, maybe you can test login from an RSX system?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I've decided to leave my PDP-11/53 up and running for awhile. The
recent temperature decrease in my area may have been a factor in this
decision. ;) It may go up and down, but it should be up most of the time.
It is MECCA, node 61.4. The login is "10,1" and the password is
"hecnet", sans brackets and quotes.
FORTRAN, BP2, and C are installed.
Log in and have fun!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/31/2012 09:00 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
FWIW, for those who like Forth, there's a Forth implementation available as a run-time system on RSTS/E. It's part of the unsupported stuff on V10.1 (and possibly somewhat earlier, maybe as early as V9.0, I forgot). I did the port; I used it among other things for implementing an interactive crash dump analyzer *very* loosely modeled on VMS "SDA".
Speaking of Forth, there is also FiG-Forth. It runs under RSX, RT-11 and standalone. I would assume it should work fine under RSTS/E as well, based on that, but I don't know for sure.
Can be found on MIM::DU:[FORTH]
Forth.rts is based on Fig-Forth (1980 edition), with substantial changes.
Ha! Our messages crossed in the ether! ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/31/2012 06:25 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
FWIW, for those who like Forth, there's a Forth implementation
available as a run-time system on RSTS/E. It's part of the
unsupported stuff on V10.1 (and possibly somewhat earlier, maybe as
early as V9.0, I forgot). I did the port; I used it among other
things for implementing an interactive crash dump analyzer *very*
loosely modeled on VMS "SDA".
Speaking of Forth, there is also FiG-Forth. It runs under RSX, RT-11 and
standalone. I would assume it should work fine under RSTS/E as well,
based on that, but I don't know for sure.
Can be found on MIM::DU:[FORTH]
The Forth that Paul mentioned is in fact FIG-Forth.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Oct 31, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-10-31 18:58, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Oct 30, 2012, at 1:06 AM, John Wilson wrote:
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
I had a PDT-11/150 many years ago, mid-80s. It was kinda fun, but
also kinda pointless. The only thing you can run on it is RT-11.
I had one too back then and had a blast! RT-11 is terrific (infinitely
better than contemporary microcomputer OSes), and anyway a 150 will run
pretty much anything an 11/03 will run (but with 30 KW of memory instead of
just 28) so it's really pretty flexible. I wrote a FORTH-79 system on mine ...
FWIW, for those who like Forth, there's a Forth implementation available as a run-time system on RSTS/E. It's part of the unsupported stuff on V10.1 (and possibly somewhat earlier, maybe as early as V9.0, I forgot). I did the port; I used it among other things for implementing an interactive crash dump analyzer *very* loosely modeled on VMS "SDA".
Speaking of Forth, there is also FiG-Forth. It runs under RSX, RT-11 and standalone. I would assume it should work fine under RSTS/E as well, based on that, but I don't know for sure.
Can be found on MIM::DU:[FORTH]
Forth.rts is based on Fig-Forth (1980 edition), with substantial changes.
paul
On 2012-10-31 21:28, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/31/2012 04:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Also do we send any encrypted stuff over this? What if something
commercial gets routed through say CHIMPYMAIL.COM - will this be
a problem or is it a "problem" in theory only?
I thought encryption and commercial messages were strictly
verboten on HAM stuff.
They are. So let's not encrypt stuff. And how much commercial
data flows across HECnet? ;)
So, now that selling DECnet-based internet access to rural areas over
packet radio is out, how about we setup some HECnet nodes in
Antarctica?
We could probably do that! Is Ethan Dicks among us? If not, he
should be. He works down there. I've CCd him on this.
Surprised me, but he is actually not subscribed. I thought he was...
Hi, Ethan... :-)
As long as I'm at it, I might also mention that at least one person is subscribed to this list with an address on HECnet. Well done. :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2012-10-31 19:48, RCS/RI info wrote:
How do I set my subscription to this list to digest mode? I tried the standard majordomo commands without success.
Good question. I'm not sure if the (old version of) majordomo we're running have that function.
Try just sending "help" to majordomo, and see what it supports...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2012-10-31 18:58, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Oct 30, 2012, at 1:06 AM, John Wilson wrote:
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
I had a PDT-11/150 many years ago, mid-80s. It was kinda fun, but
also kinda pointless. The only thing you can run on it is RT-11.
I had one too back then and had a blast! RT-11 is terrific (infinitely
better than contemporary microcomputer OSes), and anyway a 150 will run
pretty much anything an 11/03 will run (but with 30 KW of memory instead of
just 28) so it's really pretty flexible. I wrote a FORTH-79 system on mine ...
FWIW, for those who like Forth, there's a Forth implementation available as a run-time system on RSTS/E. It's part of the unsupported stuff on V10.1 (and possibly somewhat earlier, maybe as early as V9.0, I forgot). I did the port; I used it among other things for implementing an interactive crash dump analyzer *very* loosely modeled on VMS "SDA".
Speaking of Forth, there is also FiG-Forth. It runs under RSX, RT-11 and standalone. I would assume it should work fine under RSTS/E as well, based on that, but I don't know for sure.
Can be found on MIM::DU:[FORTH]
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
I keep forgetting to send an email about this:
Can I get:
33.300 (GEWT)
33.301 (GEWT1)
33.302 (MISSY)
33.303 (MINDY)
33.305 (MNCSTR)
added to the master node database please?
(yeah, I know I skipped 33.304)
Thanks!
(unrelated: but I see there's a DARMOK and JALAD in the nodelist, are they by chance virtual machines running on a host named TANAGRA? ;) )
Hello!
Probably.
But if I get the strings worked out regarding my plans, I might have a
host named Enterprise running.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
I keep forgetting to send an email about this:
Can I get:
33.300 (GEWT)
33.301 (GEWT1)
33.302 (MISSY)
33.303 (MINDY)
33.305 (MNCSTR)
added to the master node database please?
(yeah, I know I skipped 33.304)
Thanks!
(unrelated: but I see there's a DARMOK and JALAD in the nodelist, are they by chance virtual machines running on a host named TANAGRA? ;) )
Hey Dave,
When you installed RSTS/E and configured DECnet, what options did you give? I want to see what I did wrong. Did you do anything after installing the layered product that was special or did you configure it in the little installer thingy?
On 10/31/2012 04:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Also do we send any encrypted stuff over this? What if something
commercial gets routed through say CHIMPYMAIL.COM - will this be
a problem or is it a "problem" in theory only?
I thought encryption and commercial messages were strictly
verboten on HAM stuff.
They are. So let's not encrypt stuff. And how much commercial
data flows across HECnet? ;)
So, now that selling DECnet-based internet access to rural areas over
packet radio is out, how about we setup some HECnet nodes in
Antarctica?
We could probably do that! Is Ethan Dicks among us? If not, he
should be. He works down there. I've CCd him on this.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/31/2012 02:16 AM, Gregg Levine wrote:
SBC 11/21 (boardname KXT11) Falcon and Falcon Plus single board
computer on a Qbus card implementing the basic PDP-11 instruction set,
based on T11 chipset containing 32 KB static RAM, two ROM sockets,
three serial lines, 20 bit parallel I/O, three interval timers and a
two-channel DMA controller. Up to 14 Falcons could be placed into one
Qbus system.
KXJ11 QBUS card (M7616) with PDP-11 based peripheral processor and
DMA controller. Based on a J11 CPU equipped with 512 kB RAM, 64 kB ROM
and parallel and serial interfaces.
KXT11s are very fun boards. I have one, I like it a lot.
I don't have any KXJ11 though. They are as rare as hens' teeth,
though I do see one on eBay right now for a not-too-terrible price. I
just looked at the auction; it says "10+ available"!!!
I'll bet he'd accept a lower-than-normal offer if it were for a
quantity of them. Bulk purchase?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 31 Oct 2012, at 16:09, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/31/2012 03:34 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Also do we send any encrypted stuff over this? What if something
commercial gets routed through say CHIMPYMAIL.COM - will this be a
problem or is it a "problem" in theory only?
I thought encryption and commercial messages were strictly verboten
on HAM stuff.
They are. So let's not encrypt stuff. And how much commercial data
flows across HECnet? ;)
So, now that selling DECnet-based internet access to rural areas over packet radio is out, how about we setup some HECnet nodes in Antarctica?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/31/2012 03:09 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Let's hijack one - I thought the Iranians managed to get one up there, don't think anyone would particularly give us trouble in the West if we took it over..
We could do that. I have some satcomm gear here.
(assuming one of our governments hasn't already grabbed that satellite..)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
