something from 1978 using an 8080A. It shows how
The LA120 was the de facto console terminal for the VAX-11/78*s. One reason
why I have three; albeit, one has been cannibalized for parts.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
I'm fairly certain (though have not verified) that the ONLY interface
available on the LA120 family is serial. The LA180 uses a much more
system-friendly LP[v]11 or LS11 interface. That may be the
difference...target market, etc.
RS-232 and 20mA current loop. I saw nothing about parallel in the docs.
-Dave
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to run OpenVMS X11 apps on my 17" MacBookPro OS X 10.5.8 after launching X
server on the Mac and setting security preferences to allow network clients.
$ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=192.168.2.100/TRANSPORT=TCPIP
$ MCR DECW$PUZZLE
You *may* need to set your X server security preference to NOT authenticate
the connection. Restart X11 on your Mac if you disable authentication.
Doing an xhost + basically disables any authentication. But he is
tunneling X over SSH, which in itself might cause interesting effects
here. Not sure why he wants to do that, but anyway.
In that case, the questions I asked about architecture, VMS version and
TCPIP are even more import.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
After running X -ac from a terminal window (X was closed before) I was able to use SET DISPLAY/CREATE/... and then RUN without problems. I did not connect with ssh -X or ssh -Y (in fact, being on a "secure" LAN, I used telnet)
I am aware that it is not the best policy to simply run an X server without any authentication on any network; but I think it would at least be useful for some diagnostics.
to run OpenVMS X11 apps on my 17" MacBookPro OS X 10.5.8 after launching X
server on the Mac and setting security preferences to allow network clients.
$ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=192.168.2.100/TRANSPORT=TCPIP
$ MCR DECW$PUZZLE
You *may* need to set your X server security preference to NOT authenticate
the connection. Restart X11 on your Mac if you disable authentication.
Doing an xhost + basically disables any authentication. But he is
tunneling X over SSH, which in itself might cause interesting effects
here. Not sure why he wants to do that, but anyway.
In that case, the questions I asked about architecture, VMS version and
TCPIP are even more import.
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VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
to run OpenVMS X11 apps on my 17" MacBookPro OS X 10.5.8 after launching X
server on the Mac and setting security preferences to allow network clients.
$ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=192.168.2.100/TRANSPORT=TCPIP
$ MCR DECW$PUZZLE
You *may* need to set your X server security preference to NOT authenticate
the connection. Restart X11 on your Mac if you disable authentication.
Doing an xhost + basically disables any authentication. But he is tunneling X over SSH, which in itself might cause interesting effects here. Not sure why he wants to do that, but anyway.
Sampsa, try what Brian suggested, in actually talking X directly over TCP/IP instead, and see if that don't work better perhaps?
Also, could you report what your display is actually set to when you ssh in?
Johnny
to run OpenVMS X11 apps on my 17" MacBookPro OS X 10.5.8 after launching X
server on the Mac and setting security preferences to allow network clients.
$ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=192.168.2.100/TRANSPORT=TCPIP
$ MCR DECW$PUZZLE
You *may* need to set your X server security preference to NOT authenticate
the connection. Restart X11 on your Mac if you disable authentication.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
s there any way to make the NTY session show up as REMOTE instead of LOCAL?
Yes, a kernel variable needs to be set by the following command:
$ MULTINET SET/KERNEL NETWORK_PTY_IS_REMOTE 1
This command has to be executed each time MultiNet is started. If it
exists, MultiNet executes the file MULTINET:LOCAL_INITIALIZATION.COM
after starting. You can add the SET/KERNEL command to the file if it
already exists, or create the file and add the SET/KERNEL command if
the file does not already exist.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
So, for noone to be able to delete a file, you need to not have the D set in the protection mask, and also, the owner of the file needs to be someone else, or else people can always change the protection to allow the deletion.
All that said, the same applies for modifying a file. For that you need write access.
Now, there is no way for you to allow people to create files remotely on your machine without them also having write access to the files. And besides, naturally they will be the owners of the files if they create them.
The best I can think of here is to just set a default protection so that newly created files at least by default have a protection that don't include D (and possibly exclude both E and W as well).
The second part of this is actually making the files visible in the specific library. For this users need write access to the directory (and possibly extend access). In order to find the files, you need read access. For removing files from a directory, you need write access to the directory.
So obviously, you either allow both entering and removing, or neither.
Johnny
transit and subway system, and his auto hobby.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
router. It's failing to connect to mine at home as well, which is odd,
that was working. I'll need to look into that.
Hmmm. My link to Ian hasn t come up yet.
And it looks like Comcast is blocking inbound SNMP. Bastards.
Wow. Really? Why the hell would they do that...
I'll just have to re-enable the exception for my site and have it push over the VPN.
Boo!!!
-brian
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router. It's failing to connect to mine at home as well, which is odd,
that was working. I'll need to look into that.
Hmmm. My link to Ian hasn t come up yet.
And it looks like Comcast is blocking inbound SNMP. Bastards.
I'll just have to re-enable the exception for my site and have it push over the VPN.
Boo!!!
-brian
router. It's failing to connect to mine at home as well, which is odd,
that was working. I'll need to look into that.
Hmmm. My link to Ian hasn t come up yet.
Dave. Make sure you are allowing my new IP to talk to you. :)
-brian
router. It's failing to connect to mine at home as well, which is odd,
that was working. I'll need to look into that.
Dave. Make sure you are allowing my new IP to talk to you. :)
-brian
Using CTERM:
.set /host=marley
NCT -- Connection aborted, CTERM protocol error - please submit an SPR
NCT -- Control returned to node "MIM "
Using the RSX RTERM:
.rmt marley
RMT -- Remote Host incompatibility error
Using the RSTS/E RTERM:
>rrs marley
MIM::RRS -- Protocol not supported by remote node MARLEY::
MIM::RRS -- Control returned to node MIM::
Using the TOPS-20 RTERM:
.host marley
MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR 15:05:06 TTY4 system 3600
Connected to Node 1.13
Please LOGIN
.
Johnny
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pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
.BEGIN-HECNET-INFO
ADDR |NAME |OWNER |EMAIL |HARDWARE |OS |LOCATION |NOTES
8.401|CHIMPY|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |AlphaServer DS10 |OpenVMS 8.3 |London, England |Main SAMPSACOM system, SMTP gateway (CHIMPYMAIL.COM)
8.400|GORVAX|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |SIMH VAX on OSX/Intel |OpenVMS 7.3 |London, England |MULTINET bridge to Area 2, Area router
8.403|RHESUS|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |HP rx2600 Dual 900MHz |OpenVMS 8.4E |London, England |File libraries available
8.500|PYFFLE|Sampsa Laine |system at pyffle.com|VMWare |Pyffle BBS |London, England |Waffle reimplementation BBS, log in as pyffle for access
.END-HECNET-INFO
I can obviously see several potential issues here.
First of all, I'll have to make an assumption about that the first line after the .BEGIN... is a header line to be ignored.
Good point. It should be prefixed with something to indicate it's to be ignored. Unless we're going to use it to help the parsing.
Second, I'll have to assume that the same fields exist, in the same order, always. The other alternative is to actually parse the first line, and hope that the column titles in the first line have been standardized fully, and then match columns to find what I'm looking for after that.
I'd say the first one is easiest to implement, the second more robust.
Third, things like the style of hardware, os and location fields are totally free at this point, which goes against my wish for something a bit uniform. (What kind of OS is "Pyffle BBS" for example?)
Good point, maybe re-label the field "software stack" so it says Ubuntu Linux v<whatever> + Pyffle BBS or whatnot. Or I could just stick Ubuntu in there.
I'm sure that if I were to write something to scrape the stuff, I bet there might turn up other issues as well over time.
Yes, I'm a grumpy fart. :-)
I'm sure, I think the "standard" was devised with like 3 emails or something.
But the point is that scraping is IMHO the best way to go - no need to give people write access to your DB, yet people can still update their info without bugging you.
sampsa
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
.BEGIN-HECNET-INFO
ADDR |NAME |OWNER |EMAIL |HARDWARE |OS |LOCATION |NOTES
8.401|CHIMPY|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |AlphaServer DS10 |OpenVMS 8.3 |London, England |Main SAMPSACOM system, SMTP gateway (CHIMPYMAIL.COM)
8.400|GORVAX|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |SIMH VAX on OSX/Intel |OpenVMS 7.3 |London, England |MULTINET bridge to Area 2, Area router
8.403|RHESUS|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |HP rx2600 Dual 900MHz |OpenVMS 8.4E |London, England |File libraries available
8.500|PYFFLE|Sampsa Laine |system at pyffle.com|VMWare |Pyffle BBS |London, England |Waffle reimplementation BBS, log in as pyffle for access
.END-HECNET-INFO
I can obviously see several potential issues here.
First of all, I'll have to make an assumption about that the first line after the .BEGIN... is a header line to be ignored.
Good point. It should be prefixed with something to indicate it's to be ignored. Unless we're going to use it to help the parsing.
Second, I'll have to assume that the same fields exist, in the same order, always. The other alternative is to actually parse the first line, and hope that the column titles in the first line have been standardized fully, and then match columns to find what I'm looking for after that.
I'd say the first one is easiest to implement, the second more robust.
Third, things like the style of hardware, os and location fields are totally free at this point, which goes against my wish for something a bit uniform. (What kind of OS is "Pyffle BBS" for example?)
Good point, maybe re-label the field "software stack" so it says Ubuntu Linux v<whatever> + Pyffle BBS or whatnot. Or I could just stick Ubuntu in there.
I'm sure that if I were to write something to scrape the stuff, I bet there might turn up other issues as well over time.
Yes, I'm a grumpy fart. :-)
I'm sure, I think the "standard" was devised with like 3 emails or something.
But the point is that scraping is IMHO the best way to go - no need to give people write access to your DB, yet people can still update their info without bugging you.
sampsa
.BEGIN-HECNET-INFO
ADDR |NAME |OWNER |EMAIL |HARDWARE |OS |LOCATION |NOTES
8.401|CHIMPY|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |AlphaServer DS10 |OpenVMS 8.3 |London, England |Main SAMPSACOM system, SMTP gateway (CHIMPYMAIL.COM)
8.400|GORVAX|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |SIMH VAX on OSX/Intel |OpenVMS 7.3 |London, England |MULTINET bridge to Area 2, Area router
8.403|RHESUS|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |HP rx2600 Dual 900MHz |OpenVMS 8.4E |London, England |File libraries available
8.500|PYFFLE|Sampsa Laine |system at pyffle.com|VMWare |Pyffle BBS |London, England |Waffle reimplementation BBS, log in as pyffle for access
.END-HECNET-INFO
I can obviously see several potential issues here.
First of all, I'll have to make an assumption about that the first line after the .BEGIN... is a header line to be ignored. Second, I'll have to assume that the same fields exist, in the same order, always. The other alternative is to actually parse the first line, and hope that the column titles in the first line have been standardized fully, and then match columns to find what I'm looking for after that.
Third, things like the style of hardware, os and location fields are totally free at this point, which goes against my wish for something a bit uniform. (What kind of OS is "Pyffle BBS" for example?)
I'm sure that if I were to write something to scrape the stuff, I bet there might turn up other issues as well over time.
Yes, I'm a grumpy fart. :-)
Johnny
On 18 May 2013, at 23:10, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Always doable, just pick one box per area.
As for easy to scrape, we had a pretty well-defined format for where the machine readable stuff starts (the content is just CSV, more or less) and ends.
How much easier do you want it? :)
sampsa
On 18 May 2013, at 23:08, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-05-18 22:58, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 18 May 2013, at 18:41, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Or I could possible scrape files in know locations to manage the updating, if that would make more sense. (The last one would probably be really easy from my point of view...)
Johnny
Didn't we develop a format for this ages ago, to be stuck at the end of INFO.TXT on the public accessible dir of a machine?
I don't think the current INFO.TXT files are that useful, or even easy to scrape. But that might just be me. :-)
Not to mention that I have no clue which machines to scrape, if I were to do that. If I were to do it, I'd probably ask for a different format, and have a designated machine per person/area to scrape.
Johnny
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
.BEGIN-HECNET-INFO
ADDR |NAME |OWNER |EMAIL |HARDWARE |OS |LOCATION |NOTES
8.401|CHIMPY|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |AlphaServer DS10 |OpenVMS 8.3 |London, England |Main SAMPSACOM system, SMTP gateway (CHIMPYMAIL.COM)
8.400|GORVAX|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |SIMH VAX on OSX/Intel |OpenVMS 7.3 |London, England |MULTINET bridge to Area 2, Area router
8.403|RHESUS|Sampsa Laine |sampsa at mac.com |HP rx2600 Dual 900MHz |OpenVMS 8.4E |London, England |File libraries available
8.500|PYFFLE|Sampsa Laine |system at pyffle.com|VMWare |Pyffle BBS |London, England |Waffle reimplementation BBS, log in as pyffle for access
.END-HECNET-INFO
On 18 May 2013, at 23:10, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Always doable, just pick one box per area.
As for easy to scrape, we had a pretty well-defined format for where the machine readable stuff starts (the content is just CSV, more or less) and ends.
How much easier do you want it? :)
sampsa
On 18 May 2013, at 23:08, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-05-18 22:58, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 18 May 2013, at 18:41, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Or I could possible scrape files in know locations to manage the updating, if that would make more sense. (The last one would probably be really easy from my point of view...)
Johnny
Didn't we develop a format for this ages ago, to be stuck at the end of INFO.TXT on the public accessible dir of a machine?
I don't think the current INFO.TXT files are that useful, or even easy to scrape. But that might just be me. :-)
Not to mention that I have no clue which machines to scrape, if I were to do that. If I were to do it, I'd probably ask for a different format, and have a designated machine per person/area to scrape.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Circuit TCP-0-0, Adjacent node address out of range
Packet beginning = 0101800640020200002C0100FC010200
Both have maximum area set to 63, maximum node set to 1023, and both are routing IV.
What could I be missing?
The packet beginning shows node type = Level 1 router. So the area number is supposed to match, and it doesn't.
Isn't ROUTING IV level 2 router? EXEC TYPE is defined as that...or it
should be anyway.
Oh. Misread the HELP page. I wanted AREA not ROUTING.
paul
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Circuit TCP-0-0, Adjacent node address out of range
Packet beginning = 0101800640020200002C0100FC010200
Both have maximum area set to 63, maximum node set to 1023, and both are routing IV.
What could I be missing?
The packet beginning shows node type = Level 1 router. So the area number is supposed to match, and it doesn't.
Isn't ROUTING IV level 2 router? EXEC TYPE is defined as that...or it should be anyway.
paul
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Circuit TCP-0-0, Adjacent node address out of range
Packet beginning = 0101800640020200002C0100FC010200
Both have maximum area set to 63, maximum node set to 1023, and both are routing IV.
What could I be missing?
The packet beginning shows node type = Level 1 router. So the area number is supposed to match, and it doesn't.
paul
Circuit TCP-0-0, Adjacent node address out of range
Packet beginning = 0101800640020200002C0100FC010200
Both have maximum area set to 63, maximum node set to 1023, and both are routing IV.
What could I be missing?
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node = 7.61 (BITXOO)
NCP>
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 1-MAY-2013 18:46:32.05 %%%%%%%%%%%
Message from user DECNET on BITXR1
DECnet event 4.7, circuit down, circuit fault From node 7.92 (BITXR1), 1-MAY-
2013 18:46:32.05
Circuit TX-1-7, Line synchronization lost
My setup is as follows:
7.92 (experimental machine):
sim> show vh
VH address=20000140-2000017F*, vector=2C8-2E4*, lines=32, 4 units
VH0 attached to
32011,Line=15,Connect=192.168.0.8:32024;notelnet,32024;notelnet, DHV
mode, 1 connection
VH1 DHV mode
VH2 DHV mode
VH3 DHV mode
BITXOO:
sim> show vh
VH address=2013E140-2013E14F*, vector=E8-EC*, lines=16
attached to
32023,Line=15,Connect=192.168.0.2:32024;notelnet,32024;notelnet, DHU
mode, Modem
Hangup, 2 connections
sim>
BITXOO is running VMS 4.7, and it is a simulated 780. The other machine is
running 7.3 and it is a virtual 3900...
Anyone has been succesful setting this thing up?
Hmmm... I've tested this with DZ devices on windows hosts and not seen circuits popping up and down...
I would work with the DZ device first. It has been tested and had its modem related behaviors more solidly verified.
By the way, you shouldn't need to disable telnet as long as you have the telnet setting the same on both ends of the connection (i.e. notelnet<->notelnet or telnet<->telnet). The telnet setup we are using provides an 8 bit clean binary telnet channel.
I would make sure that you've have MODEM and HANGUP settings enabled on both ends (from the simh perspective).
What do you have for /MODEM and /HANGUP settings on the VMS ports?
If you can confirm good behavior on the DZ devices and bad on the VH we can explore why...
- Mark
