- HECnet - lists @ Update

by tim＠sneddon.id.au

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Just saw this on HoffmanLabs, intrigued by the AB552A model. http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/19 I've got this kit (keyboard and mouse) connected to my rx2600. It's nothing special. I found the keys to be very stiff and "clicky". I actually keep a stash of LK411 keyboards around as the action is much softer than any keyboard I've managed to find thus far. I even have one on my PA-RISC 712/100. Regards, Tim.

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Worth getting a "VMS" keyboard?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Just saw this on HoffmanLabs, intrigued by the AB552A model. http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/19 sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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Config Details Required

by mark.darvill＠mac.com

Thanks Brian, I am out of the UK on business until mid next week. So will sort the info you require then. Many thanks, Mark On 16/09/2013 20:10, Brian Hechinger wrote: Mark, Once you have a proper image on your 1800 you can do the following things to get in on the auto tunnel config tool stuff. on your router add these: access-list 10 permit 37.59.44.141 snmp-server community <snmp-community-name> RW 10 Then I'll need the following information from you: Your external IP Addres: Your external FQDN: Is this a dynamic IP: The DECnet area at this location: The source interface on your router: The email address you want updates sent to: The snmp community from the above directions: -brian

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by wonko＠4amlunch.net

Mark, Once you have a proper image on your 1800 you can do the following things to get in on the auto tunnel config tool stuff. on your router add these: access-list 10 permit 37.59.44.141 snmp-server community <snmp-community-name> RW 10 Then I'll need the following information from you: Your external IP Addres: Your external FQDN: Is this a dynamic IP: The DECnet area at this location: The source interface on your router: The email address you want updates sent to: The snmp community from the above directions: -brian

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New Cisco Config Host

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

Please change your SNMP ACLs to allow the newest address for the cisco config tool: 37.59.44.141 -brian

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by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:05:05PM -0000, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 14 Sep 2013, at 21:33, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much. I?d assume branding and expansion modules supported. 1811w is a fixed config router with 2x 100Mbit routed interfaces, a built in 8x 100Mbit switch and a/b/g WiFi. the 1841 has two 100Mbit routed interfaces and two WIC slots. I don't have number in front of me but the 1841 does better PPS than the 1811w as well. -brian

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UDP filter chain for bridge

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Hi guys, I'm having some problems configuring my new Mikrotik RouterBoard RB2011UAS-2HnD-IN which is a great multiport router with wireless. However, it runs RouterOS which is fantastic, highly configurable and mostly beyond me! I have managed to hook up a Netgear DM111PSP ADSL modem in bridge mode so that the MikroTik box is the ADSL end point. I have configured the router to allow HTTP and SSH traffic through the router but am struggling getting the rules right for the UDP routing and firewall configuration. I wondered whether there were folks out that who could shed some light. In my naive little brain I can see how configuration using IP chains is similar to how linux can be configured to provide the same functionality. The router is on 192.168.1.2 and the HP microserver running Johnny's bridge is 192.168.1.126 Here are the forwarding rules I have: /ip firewall filter add chain=forward comment="default configuration" connection-state=established add chain=forward comment="default configuration" connection-state=related add chain=forward comment="Allow UDP connection to hpm from internet" dst-address=192.168.1.126 dst-port=4711 in-interface=pppoe-wan protocol=\ udp add action=log chain=forward comment="Log everything else" log-prefix="IPv4 Drop forward:" add action=drop chain=forward comment="default configuration" connection-state=invalid add chain=input comment="default configuration" protocol=icmp add chain=input comment="default configuration" connection-state=established in-interface=pppoe-wan add chain=input comment="default configuration" connection-state=related in-interface=pppoe-wan ; Forward UDP bridge requests to HPM running the bridge add chain=input comment="bridge traffic on 4711" dst-address=192.168.1.126 dst-port=4711 in-interface=pppoe-wan protocol=udp add action=log chain=input comment="Log everything else" disabled=yes log-prefix="IPv4 Drop input:" add action=drop chain=input comment="default configuration" in-interface=pppoe-wan /ip firewall nat add action=masquerade chain=srcnat comment="default configuration" out-interface=pppoe-wan ; Forward webserver requests to SLAVE add action=dst-nat chain=dstnat comment="Forward tcp:80 to slave" dst-address=92.27.220.250 dst-port=80 protocol=tcp to-addresses=192.168.1.229 \ to-ports=80 ; Connect SSH/SFTP requests through to SLAVE add action=dst-nat chain=dstnat comment="Forward ssh to slave" dst-address=92.27.220.250 dst-port=22 protocol=tcp to-addresses=192.168.1.229 \ to-ports=22 ; Connect UDP requests on port 4711 to HPM running bridge add action=dst-nat chain=dstnat comment="Forward bridge udp to hpm" dst-address=92.27.220.250 dst-port=4711 protocol=udp to-addresses=\ 192.168.1.126 to-ports=4711 When I turn on logging before the drop rule I get the following IPv4 Drop input: input: in:bridge-local out:(none), src-mac b4:99:ba:bf:46:e3, proto UDP, 192.168.1.126:41301->192.168.1.2:53, len 57 Any ideas folks? Thanks in advance, Mark.

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Config Details Required

by b4＠gewt.net

On 15 Sep 2013, at 19:12, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! To quote a phrase from an old friend, "Never assume.". But yes. ----- Worse then that. They were at your linuxfest, the penguins paid them to use the resources to create more mayhem. That would explain the FSF selling sticker fox $1.50 then. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 14 Sep 2013, at 21:33, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much. I d assume branding and expansion modules supported. ----- Oddly enough guys the Yetis surrounding both your places left for home, they were replaced by a crowd who spent the weekend last causing mayhem for a fellow enthusiast in NJ. At least it s not the flies from linuxfest. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got images here I'm sure. -brian On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/** network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

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by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! To quote a phrase from an old friend, "Never assume.". But yes. ----- Worse then that. They were at your linuxfest, the penguins paid them to use the resources to create more mayhem. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 14 Sep 2013, at 21:33, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much. I d assume branding and expansion modules supported. ----- Oddly enough guys the Yetis surrounding both your places left for home, they were replaced by a crowd who spent the weekend last causing mayhem for a fellow enthusiast in NJ. At least it s not the flies from linuxfest. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got images here I'm sure. -brian On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/** network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

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Config Details Required

by b4＠gewt.net

On 14 Sep 2013, at 21:33, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much. I d assume branding and expansion modules supported. ----- Oddly enough guys the Yetis surrounding both your places left for home, they were replaced by a crowd who spent the weekend last causing mayhem for a fellow enthusiast in NJ. At least it s not the flies from linuxfest. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got images here I'm sure. -brian On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/** network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

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Anybody know what happened to BITNET II?

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Interesting question. I recall reading about the original details, read the original BITNET, and indeed studying how it worked. And several other options attached to it, but that's as far as it went here. ---- That's odd. Sampsa there's a big rock eater right outside your flat's windows. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Was reading some stuff and apparently the main protocol were ported to VAX _and_ made to work over IP? Anyone know what happened to this project? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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Config Details Required

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger Sent: 09 September 2013 18:09 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 11:22:43AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: On 09/08/2013 10:23 AM, Mark Darvill wrote: I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny V11.1 supports GRE, Decnet IV Level 1 and 2 so I am hoping so. :-) Brian can get you hooked up with his automatic meshed-tunnel config generator, when he catches up on list mail. Things have been very busy, but I will try to get this dealt with this week. I'm actually moving everything to a new colo box so this will coincide with everyone needing to change the IP they allow SNMP to come from. Mark, as soon as I've moved everything I'll let you know what you need to do. -brian I have bought myself a DECbrouter 90T2a, which reports IOS 11.2. I have never done anything with IOS but from other emails in this thread it looks fairly simple if you have the necessary parameters. Please let me know what I would need to configure. Note however, that I am only doing this for fun and to learn something new. I will probably not use this as my long-term connection to HECnet, although it will be a useful backup. Regards Rob

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Anybody know what happened to BITNET II?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Was reading some stuff and apparently the main protocol were ported to VAX _and_ made to work over IP? Anyone know what happened to this project? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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Config Details Required

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

That raises a good question. Which 1800 is it? -brian On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 09:33:00PM -0400, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much. ----- Oddly enough guys the Yetis surrounding both your places left for home, they were replaced by a crowd who spent the weekend last causing mayhem for a fellow enthusiast in NJ. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got images here I'm sure. -brian On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/** network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

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Config Details Required

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much. ----- Oddly enough guys the Yetis surrounding both your places left for home, they were replaced by a crowd who spent the weekend last causing mayhem for a fellow enthusiast in NJ. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got images here I'm sure. -brian On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/** network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

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Config Details Required

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got images here I'm sure. -brian On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/** network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

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Config Details Required

by tim＠sneddon.id.au

Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

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Config Details Required

by mark.darvill＠mac.com

On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

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Slightly OT - USB serial controllers that work in Linux?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 09/10/2013 06:49 AM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + = keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed = up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or = something). Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works = best in Linux? I have a KeySpan 19HS which works quite well with Linux. I also have an EdgePort/416 which works with both Linux and OpenVMS! EdgePort/416 => http://tinyurl.com/nqa78we Those EdgePort boxes also work on Sun Ray thin clients, showing up as serial devices on the host system. Very nice. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Slightly OT - USB serial controllers that work in Linux?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or something). Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works best in Linux? I have used two, both of which work fine with Linux on a PC: the FTDI "chip in the cable" adapters, and one made by TrippLite (sold at Staples). However, neither was recognized by my BeagleBone (which runs ARM Linux, ngstr m distribution). That may well be just a case of not having the right modules installed. I don't use Raspberry PI (I prefer the open hardware that I get with BB) but since it too is ARM the situation might be the same. Then again, BB also comes with a Ubuntu distribution, which might have the necessary USB modules included as standard. Finally, again on BB, there's an additional option: that device has 6 built-in UARTs, of which 5.5 are available on connectors (one on a 6-pin "debug" header, the rest on the 2x46 pin expansion connectors). Those are 3.3 volt logic levels, but you can get, or build, RS232 adapters for them. I just built a 4 port RS232 adapter, in fact. So with that, you don't need any USB devices at all and the stock small OS build is sufficient. paul

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Slightly OT - USB serial controllers that work in Linux?

by pechter＠gmail.com

Actually, I've had problems finding ones that won't work in Linux -- including the really cheap $8.00 ones of eBay. The ones that stopped working in Windows7 all still work in Linux. The ones with the FTDI chipset are supposed to be the most stable and best. http://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_USB_RS232_CA… One vendor with that chipset appears to be: http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&produ… -- d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now! pechter-at-gmail.com On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system at tmesis.com> wrote: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes: >So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + = >keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed = >up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or = >something). > >Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works = >best in Linux? I have a KeySpan 19HS which works quite well with Linux. I also have an EdgePort/416 which works with both Linux and OpenVMS! EdgePort/416 => http://tinyurl.com/nqa78we -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

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If you're in the US, check this out

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 10/09/2013 12:46, Mark Benson wrote: Would I be a mile out if I thought the CPU board was the same board they used in the PWS series Alpha/Pentium systems. They also used 21164s on a slot-in board with a sepsrate backplane board for ISA/PCI? Also anyone got any idea what OSs these run. I know some other DEC flavour industrial machines are restricted and won't run VMS? Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dec-Digital-Alpha-21164-500-Mhz-PICMG-DMCC-Indust… No bids and it's pretty low priced for now.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 -- Mark Benson It will run all DIGITAL operating systems. It is a Takara apparently. The ebay seller is really good - it came with a CD will all the original PDFs on. Regards, Mark.

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If you're in the US, check this out

by md.benson＠gmail.com

Would I be a mile out if I thought the CPU board was the same board they used in the PWS series Alpha/Pentium systems. They also used 21164s on a slot-in board with a sepsrate backplane board for ISA/PCI? Also anyone got any idea what OSs these run. I know some other DEC flavour industrial machines are restricted and won't run VMS? Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dec-Digital-Alpha-21164-500-Mhz-PICMG-DMCC-Indust… No bids and it's pretty low priced for now.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 -- Mark Benson

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Slightly OT - USB serial controllers that work in Linux?

by md.benson＠gmail.com

If you can stand not having advanced handshaking it's very easy to tack a native serial port onto the GPIO connection. It's a better solution IMHO. You will need a TTL to RS232 level shifter and some link wires. Be aware some RS232 level shifters with ports are ALREADY crossed over (mine is) so mak sure you're clear on it. While USB to RS232 adapters are largely fine I've had some nasty quirks using them with SimH. Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or something). Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works best in Linux? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 -- Mark Benson

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Slightly OT - USB serial controllers that work in Linux?

by system＠TMESIS.COM

Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes: So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + = keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed = up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or = something). Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works = best in Linux? I have a KeySpan 19HS which works quite well with Linux. I also have an EdgePort/416 which works with both Linux and OpenVMS! EdgePort/416 => http://tinyurl.com/nqa78we -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

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