On 27 Sep 2013, at 01:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-27 01:06, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah. Right now I'm trying to figure out why the retransmit timer don't seem to work as it should. Most of the time it isn't needed, so it mostly works fine. But I'm trying the odd bad behaviors...
MIM can go down on short notice right now, as I'm mucking in the kernel...
BTW what happened to the old Mail-11 client on MIM - I really liked the interface on it..
I actually have two mail clients on MIM, even though only one is normally installed. Which one was it you liked? The very plain and simple command line thing, or the rather screen oriented fancy one?
I like the screen-oriented one, feels like I'm on a 3270 connected to OS/390 or something..:)
sampsa
On 2013-09-27 01:06, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah. Right now I'm trying to figure out why the retransmit timer don't seem to work as it should. Most of the time it isn't needed, so it mostly works fine. But I'm trying the odd bad behaviors...
MIM can go down on short notice right now, as I'm mucking in the kernel...
BTW what happened to the old Mail-11 client on MIM - I really liked the interface on it..
I actually have two mail clients on MIM, even though only one is normally installed. Which one was it you liked? The very plain and simple command line thing, or the rather screen oriented fancy one?
Johnny
Yeah. Right now I'm trying to figure out why the retransmit timer don't seem to work as it should. Most of the time it isn't needed, so it mostly works fine. But I'm trying the odd bad behaviors...
MIM can go down on short notice right now, as I'm mucking in the kernel...
BTW what happened to the old Mail-11 client on MIM - I really liked the interface on it..
sampsa
On 2013-09-27 00:45, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 27 Sep 2013, at 00:41, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-27 00:40, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 27 Sep 2013, at 00:38, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-26 22:46, Sampsa Laine wrote:
When I try accessing the web version of MIM's node database, I get a connection refused error, the URL is: http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/nodedb
This literally started a few minutes ago.
Yep. The reason is that I'm rewriting my timer handling in my TCP/IP stack right now, so MIM is not that stable. :-)
Ah shame, I just added a function to my Pyffle conferencing software that uses the webpage to look up HECnet nodes..
Any idea when it'll be stable again? :)
Hopefully within an hour or so.
Actually it seems to work now. Shame it doesn't render that well in Lynx (not a criticism, nothing renders well in Lynx) so might write a bit of Python to pull the nodedb down and query it, display the results in a bit more user-friendly text format.
Yeah. Right now I'm trying to figure out why the retransmit timer don't seem to work as it should. Most of the time it isn't needed, so it mostly works fine. But I'm trying the odd bad behaviors...
MIM can go down on short notice right now, as I'm mucking in the kernel...
Johnny
On 27 Sep 2013, at 00:41, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-27 00:40, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 27 Sep 2013, at 00:38, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-26 22:46, Sampsa Laine wrote:
When I try accessing the web version of MIM's node database, I get a connection refused error, the URL is: http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/nodedb
This literally started a few minutes ago.
Yep. The reason is that I'm rewriting my timer handling in my TCP/IP stack right now, so MIM is not that stable. :-)
Ah shame, I just added a function to my Pyffle conferencing software that uses the webpage to look up HECnet nodes..
Any idea when it'll be stable again? :)
Hopefully within an hour or so.
Actually it seems to work now. Shame it doesn't render that well in Lynx (not a criticism, nothing renders well in Lynx) so might write a bit of Python to pull the nodedb down and query it, display the results in a bit more user-friendly text format.
Sampsa
On 2013-09-27 00:40, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 27 Sep 2013, at 00:38, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-26 22:46, Sampsa Laine wrote:
When I try accessing the web version of MIM's node database, I get a connection refused error, the URL is: http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/nodedb
This literally started a few minutes ago.
Yep. The reason is that I'm rewriting my timer handling in my TCP/IP stack right now, so MIM is not that stable. :-)
Ah shame, I just added a function to my Pyffle conferencing software that uses the webpage to look up HECnet nodes..
Any idea when it'll be stable again? :)
Hopefully within an hour or so.
Johnny
On 27 Sep 2013, at 00:38, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-26 22:46, Sampsa Laine wrote:
When I try accessing the web version of MIM's node database, I get a connection refused error, the URL is: http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/nodedb
This literally started a few minutes ago.
Yep. The reason is that I'm rewriting my timer handling in my TCP/IP stack right now, so MIM is not that stable. :-)
Ah shame, I just added a function to my Pyffle conferencing software that uses the webpage to look up HECnet nodes..
Any idea when it'll be stable again? :)
sampsa
On 2013-09-26 22:46, Sampsa Laine wrote:
When I try accessing the web version of MIM's node database, I get a connection refused error, the URL is: http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/nodedb
This literally started a few minutes ago.
Yep. The reason is that I'm rewriting my timer handling in my TCP/IP stack right now, so MIM is not that stable. :-)
Johnny
When I try accessing the web version of MIM's node database, I get a connection refused error, the URL is: http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/nodedb
This literally started a few minutes ago.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 09/26/2013 02:10 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
SO close...I have most everything else DEC-related of Terry's.
Really!
Yep. Do you know Bill Gunshannon?
Yup. It's a smaller world than you may think! ;)
Indeed. ;) I've pulled a few truckloads of stuff, his "retirement haul",
out of his place. Most recently a few weeks ago, but it started last year.
Bill is a great guy. But his basement steps are murder. ;) All of his
(and Terry's) PDP-11/44s are here. Along with some TU81s, including the one
that cut a tape for me 25 years ago. (Kermit)
I once spent an afternoon with Terry in his place in Jersey City. One would
never have guessed, from the looks of the place outside, what he had and was
running on the inside.
I'll bet! I myself never had the pleasure.
There are some photos of the place on his web site (mostly background of
the photos of his car).
Oooh! I will check it out! URL? (Googling him is, erm, difficult. Try
it and you'll see what I mean. ;))
His web site is his initials: TMK http://www.tmk.com
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
On 2013-09-26 19:57, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/26/2013 01:54 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I checked EISNER, and it's currently configured for area 11. I cannot =
see if there are any other DECnet nodes reachable from it (do not have =
privileges). It do indeed run Multinet.
=20
VAXman, is the DECNET on EISNER actually connected to anything?
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
SO close...I have most everything else DEC-related of Terry's.
Really!
Yep. Do you know Bill Gunshannon?
I once spent an afternoon with Terry in his place in Jersey City. One would
never have guessed, from the looks of the place outside, what he had and was
running on the inside.
I'll bet! I myself never had the pleasure.
I've had plenty to do with Terry over the years, but I've never met him
in person. How is he nowadays?
As an interesting note on stuff from Terry, in the early 90s, I shipped
a crate of VAX 86x0 cards from Terry to Sweden. Unfortunately, they got
lost somewhere along the way. Never saw or heard of that stuff again. :-(
But Terry was very nice to donate the stuff in the first place.
I haven't spoken/emailed with him in years. There were some fallings out
with Terry and the DECUS crowd and he reclused himself. I had nothing to
do with those dealings.
On 09/26/2013 02:10 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
SO close...I have most everything else DEC-related of Terry's.
Really!
Yep. Do you know Bill Gunshannon?
Yup. It's a smaller world than you may think! ;)
Indeed. ;) I've pulled a few truckloads of stuff, his "retirement haul",
out of his place. Most recently a few weeks ago, but it started last year.
Bill is a great guy. But his basement steps are murder. ;) All of his
(and Terry's) PDP-11/44s are here. Along with some TU81s, including the one
that cut a tape for me 25 years ago. (Kermit)
I once spent an afternoon with Terry in his place in Jersey City. One would
never have guessed, from the looks of the place outside, what he had and was
running on the inside.
I'll bet! I myself never had the pleasure.
There are some photos of the place on his web site (mostly background of
the photos of his car).
Oooh! I will check it out! URL? (Googling him is, erm, difficult. Try
it and you'll see what I mean. ;))
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2013-09-26 19:57, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/26/2013 01:54 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I checked EISNER, and it's currently configured for area 11. I cannot =
see if there are any other DECnet nodes reachable from it (do not have =
privileges). It do indeed run Multinet.
=20
VAXman, is the DECNET on EISNER actually connected to anything?
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
SO close...I have most everything else DEC-related of Terry's.
Really!
Yep. Do you know Bill Gunshannon?
I once spent an afternoon with Terry in his place in Jersey City. One would
never have guessed, from the looks of the place outside, what he had and was
running on the inside.
I'll bet! I myself never had the pleasure.
I've had plenty to do with Terry over the years, but I've never met him in person. How is he nowadays?
As an interesting note on stuff from Terry, in the early 90s, I shipped a crate of VAX 86x0 cards from Terry to Sweden. Unfortunately, they got lost somewhere along the way. Never saw or heard of that stuff again. :-(
But Terry was very nice to donate the stuff in the first place.
Johnny
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 09/26/2013 01:54 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I checked EISNER, and it's currently configured for area 11. I cannot =
see if there are any other DECnet nodes reachable from it (do not have =
privileges). It do indeed run Multinet.
=20
VAXman, is the DECNET on EISNER actually connected to anything?
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
SO close...I have most everything else DEC-related of Terry's.
Really!
Yep. Do you know Bill Gunshannon?
Yup. It's a smaller world than you may think! ;)
I once spent an afternoon with Terry in his place in Jersey City. One would
never have guessed, from the looks of the place outside, what he had and was
running on the inside.
I'll bet! I myself never had the pleasure.
There are some photos of the place on his web site (mostly background of
the photos of his car).
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 09/26/2013 01:54 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I checked EISNER, and it's currently configured for area 11. I cannot =
see if there are any other DECnet nodes reachable from it (do not have =
privileges). It do indeed run Multinet.
=20
VAXman, is the DECNET on EISNER actually connected to anything?
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
SO close...I have most everything else DEC-related of Terry's.
Really!
Yep. Do you know Bill Gunshannon?
I once spent an afternoon with Terry in his place in Jersey City. One would
never have guessed, from the looks of the place outside, what he had and was
running on the inside.
I'll bet! I myself never had the pleasure.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 09/26/2013 01:49 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I checked EISNER, and it's currently configured for area 11. I cannot =
see if there are any other DECnet nodes reachable from it (do not have =
privileges). It do indeed run Multinet.
=20
VAXman, is the DECNET on EISNER actually connected to anything?
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
SO close...I have most everything else DEC-related of Terry's.
Really!
I once spent an afternoon with Terry in his place in Jersey City. One would
never have guessed, from the looks of the place outside, what he had and was
running on the inside.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 26 Sep 2013, at 19:49, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-"
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
Well that should make things simpler connection-wise, even if they had to change area / node number since there's only one box anyway. Let's hope the rest of the admins go for it.
sampsa
On 09/26/2013 01:49 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I checked EISNER, and it's currently configured for area 11. I cannot =
see if there are any other DECnet nodes reachable from it (do not have =
privileges). It do indeed run Multinet.
=20
VAXman, is the DECNET on EISNER actually connected to anything?
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
SO close...I have most everything else DEC-related of Terry's.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
I checked EISNER, and it's currently configured for area 11. I cannot =
see if there are any other DECnet nodes reachable from it (do not have =
privileges). It do indeed run Multinet.
=20
VAXman, is the DECNET on EISNER actually connected to anything?
Not likely. There was a time but EISNER moved from the home of its old
caretaker (Terry Kennedy) to its new location and it is now just stand-
alone.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
I checked EISNER, and it's currently configured for area 11. I cannot see if there are any other DECnet nodes reachable from it (do not have privileges). It do indeed run Multinet.
VAXman, is the DECNET on EISNER actually connected to anything?
sampsa
On 2013-09-26 18:46, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'll pass this info/request along to Dale Coy and then he can get the others
into the loop if he thinks it's a good idea.
Cool, thanks. I hope they're open to the idea, I don't see any major obstacles myself (they've already got DECNET installed, MULTINET will make a simple connection, and they're open to the public via IP anyway).
Just remember to mention that there are a lot of other systems than VMS on HECnet which could be interesting for their userbase.
I checked EISNER, and it's currently configured for area 11. I cannot see if there are any other DECnet nodes reachable from it (do not have privileges). It do indeed run Multinet.
Johnny
I'll pass this info/request along to Dale Coy and then he can get the others
into the loop if he thinks it's a good idea.
Cool, thanks. I hope they're open to the idea, I don't see any major obstacles myself (they've already got DECNET installed, MULTINET will make a simple connection, and they're open to the public via IP anyway).
Just remember to mention that there are a lot of other systems than VMS on HECnet which could be interesting for their userbase.
Sampsa
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
=20
I would think that, as a bunch of DECheads, many in the EISNER crowd
would very much enjoy exposure to some other DEC OSs that they likely
haven't seen in decades.
Could be another "selling point" to convince them to join, if our side =
is happy with inviting them.
I just think HECnet is very cool, has some great systems on it and feel =
we should share it with fellow DEC enthusiasts. EISNER is full of them.
VAXman, did you mention you had admin privs over there? Interested in =
running this idea by the other admins? Since nobody seems to mind on our =
side, I think we should send out an invite.
I'll pass this info/request along to Dale Coy and then he can get the others
into the loop if he thinks it's a good idea.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
I would think that, as a bunch of DECheads, many in the EISNER crowd
would very much enjoy exposure to some other DEC OSs that they likely
haven't seen in decades.
Could be another "selling point" to convince them to join, if our side is happy with inviting them.
I just think HECnet is very cool, has some great systems on it and feel we should share it with fellow DEC enthusiasts. EISNER is full of them.
VAXman, did you mention you had admin privs over there? Interested in running this idea by the other admins? Since nobody seems to mind on our side, I think we should send out an invite.
sampsa
PS: I think they run MULTINET so they wouldn't even need a bridge machine, just a UDP tunnel to someone else with MULTINET.
PPS: This is maybe 1/100th of the effort of merging with the Italian DECNET and probably would get us roughly the same amount of activity. It'd be silly not to at least suggest it :)
