Where did you read that blurb about a PDP-11 OS (RT-11?) doing graphics on a 62?
Some random PDP-11 page, but I was clearly remembering wrong, VT62 is text-mode only..
On 09/27/2013 08:36 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
What can be done (non-destructive suggestions only, please) with a
VT-62? This is NOT a VT52 (although it looks like one). The VT62 is a
block mode terminal that, I think, actually speaks DDCMP. AFAIK it's
incapable of being a plain ASCII terminal unless there's some hack I'm
unaware of.
Right now the only thing I can think of is to part it out as spares
for my VT52. I have two of the latter and it looks like at least some
of the major assemblies - CRT, keyboard, power supply - are identical.
I hate to do that, though, if there's a better use for it.
I would write something cool to take advantage of its strengths.
BTW, I received the KA820, thanks!!
-Dave
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On 2013-09-27 17:39, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Doesn't the VT-62 do graphics?
I'm pretty sure "not" - maybe you're thinking of a VT102?
I'm game if there's any documentation on its protocols..
They were made for the TRAX PDP-11 OS and I think they're largly undocumented. If somebody has a manual (other than the "how to plug it in" Owner's Manual, that is) I'd love to get a copy.
Bob
Found this on Wiki:
"The VT61 and VT62 were block-mode terminals. The VT62 was to be used in conjunction with TRAX, a transaction processing operating system on high-end PDP-11's. They used the same cabinet but had a more complete custom processor. Application-specific behavior was coded in separate PROM memory, using a separate instruction code that the processor interpreted. "
Any idea where we could get a copy of TRAX? Then it's just a matter of running it on a PDP-11, emulated or real..:)
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On 28 Sep 2013, at 02:36, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
What can be done (non-destructive suggestions only, please) with a VT-62? This is NOT a VT52 (although it looks like one). The VT62 is a block mode terminal that, I think, actually speaks DDCMP. AFAIK it's incapable of being a plain ASCII terminal unless there's some hack I'm unaware of.
Right now the only thing I can think of is to part it out as spares for my VT52. I have two of the latter and it looks like at least some of the major assemblies - CRT, keyboard, power supply - are identical. I hate to do that, though, if there's a better use for it.
---
Bob
Hello!
I certainly hope so. I don't like VT-52s much. The later terminals
sure, but that model........
Where did you read that blurb about a PDP-11 OS (RT-11?) doing graphics on a 62?
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On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Doesn't the VT-62 do graphics?
I was reading about some PDP-11 OS (RT-11?) where they used 62's as graphical terminals.
I say we try to build something funky for it - I'm game if there's any documentation on its protocols..
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On 28 Sep 2013, at 02:36, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
What can be done (non-destructive suggestions only, please) with a VT-62? This is NOT a VT52 (although it looks like one). The VT62 is a block mode terminal that, I think, actually speaks DDCMP. AFAIK it's incapable of being a plain ASCII terminal unless there's some hack I'm unaware of.
Right now the only thing I can think of is to part it out as spares for my VT52. I have two of the latter and it looks like at least some of the major assemblies - CRT, keyboard, power supply - are identical. I hate to do that, though, if there's a better use for it.
---
Bob
Doesn't the VT-62 do graphics?
I was reading about some PDP-11 OS (RT-11?) where they used 62's as graphical terminals.
I say we try to build something funky for it - I'm game if there's any documentation on its protocols..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 28 Sep 2013, at 02:36, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
What can be done (non-destructive suggestions only, please) with a VT-62? This is NOT a VT52 (although it looks like one). The VT62 is a block mode terminal that, I think, actually speaks DDCMP. AFAIK it's incapable of being a plain ASCII terminal unless there's some hack I'm unaware of.
Right now the only thing I can think of is to part it out as spares for my VT52. I have two of the latter and it looks like at least some of the major assemblies - CRT, keyboard, power supply - are identical. I hate to do that, though, if there's a better use for it.
---
Bob
What can be done (non-destructive suggestions only, please) with a VT-62? This is NOT a VT52 (although it looks like one). The VT62 is a block mode terminal that, I think, actually speaks DDCMP. AFAIK it's incapable of being a plain ASCII terminal unless there's some hack I'm unaware of.
Right now the only thing I can think of is to part it out as spares for my VT52. I have two of the latter and it looks like at least some of the major assemblies - CRT, keyboard, power supply - are identical. I hate to do that, though, if there's a better use for it.
---
Bob
No b4gate doesn't run DECNET.
Pyffle is hooked up to both but doesn't do mail gatewaying, it's just an end node.
But a gateway to UUHECNET over UUCP would be nifty, I mean most UUHECNET nodes have FQDN addresses anyway which can be reached over SMTP, but still, it'd be cool..
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On 27 Sep 2013, at 22:58, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Just saw your post on EISNER, do we have bridge from HECnet to UUHECNET?
I wasn't aware, I thought all the traffic went over to b4gate over TCP..
Oops. I thought b4gate was acting as a DECnet UUCP gateway. Once I get a monitor or a new part for my VS4000 I can bring that up.
I've been toying with the idea of getting DECUS UUCP working and plugging that into UUHECNET but it's there yet.
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mobile +358 40 7208932
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Just saw your post on EISNER, do we have bridge from HECnet to UUHECNET?
I wasn't aware, I thought all the traffic went over to b4gate over TCP..
Oops. I thought b4gate was acting as a DECnet UUCP gateway. Once I get a monitor or a new part for my VS4000 I can bring that up.
I've been toying with the idea of getting DECUS UUCP working and plugging that into UUHECNET but it's there yet.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
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Just saw your post on EISNER, do we have bridge from HECnet to UUHECNET?
I wasn't aware, I thought all the traffic went over to b4gate over TCP..
I've been toying with the idea of getting DECUS UUCP working and plugging that into UUHECNET but it's there yet.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 09/27/2013 04:06 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ahh ok. Well, if I run the 11/24, I obviously won't be running
that
stack. :) I may run an 11/44 instead.
Running M+ on an 11/23 or 11/24 (the only systems without I/D space that
M+ supports) is perhaps not the most wonderful experience anyway. Since
you don't have split I/D-space on those systems, system pool becomes
really scarce. And that is not fun.
An 11/44 is so much better.
Yeah I suppose so.
I've never run Plus on anything. I've run plain M on lots of stuff
though; it's fine on an 11/23. I guess Plus is a lot heavier for all of
its additional functionality.
Depends on what you mean by "heavier". The performance is mostly better,
the capabilities are much greater, and it's much more user friendly and
fun. But it takes loads of more memory for all of this.
Actually better performance, even with all those neat features? Wow,
that's surprising and nice to hear...Very nice! I really need to do
something with Plus.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2013-09-27 21:29, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/27/2013 01:47 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ahh ok. Well, if I run the 11/24, I obviously won't be running that
stack. :) I may run an 11/44 instead.
Running M+ on an 11/23 or 11/24 (the only systems without I/D space that
M+ supports) is perhaps not the most wonderful experience anyway. Since
you don't have split I/D-space on those systems, system pool becomes
really scarce. And that is not fun.
An 11/44 is so much better.
Yeah I suppose so.
I've never run Plus on anything. I've run plain M on lots of stuff
though; it's fine on an 11/23. I guess Plus is a lot heavier for all of
its additional functionality.
Depends on what you mean by "heavier". The performance is mostly better, the capabilities are much greater, and it's much more user friendly and fun. But it takes loads of more memory for all of this.
Johnny
On 2013-09-27 21:10, Lee Gleason wrote:
Running M+ on an 11/23 or 11/24 (the only systems without I/D space
that M+ supports) is perhaps not the most wonderful experience anyway.
Since you don't have split I/D-space on those systems, system pool
becomes really scarce. And that is not fun.
I read in old issues of the MultiTasker that it didn't take much to
get M+ to run on an 18 bit address space non I&D system.
It is actually easy to do, and the code will recognize pretty much any CPU at boot time. But you need to poke into [200,200]SGNPREFIX.CMD, and enable it. Which implicitly means you'll have an unsupported system.
They did mention that there wasn't a lot of pool left...
I can imagine, but I have never tested it.
Haven't had occasion to try it yet.
An 11/44 is so much better.
Without a doubt - the next best thing to an 11/70.
Yes. Nothing comes close to the satisfaction of an 11/70. :-)
Johnny
On 09/27/2013 01:47 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ahh ok. Well, if I run the 11/24, I obviously won't be running that
stack. :) I may run an 11/44 instead.
Running M+ on an 11/23 or 11/24 (the only systems without I/D space that
M+ supports) is perhaps not the most wonderful experience anyway. Since
you don't have split I/D-space on those systems, system pool becomes
really scarce. And that is not fun.
An 11/44 is so much better.
Yeah I suppose so.
I've never run Plus on anything. I've run plain M on lots of stuff
though; it's fine on an 11/23. I guess Plus is a lot heavier for all of
its additional functionality.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 09/27/2013 03:10 PM, Lee Gleason wrote:
An 11/44 is so much better.
Without a doubt - the next best thing to an 11/70.
Yes. I will run either an 11/44 or an 11/24 through the winter, on
HECnet. I may have the 11/70 up periodically, but I don't yet have an
Ethernet interface installed...that's a tough one because I'll need to
set up an Unibus expansion chassis to accommodate one.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Running M+ on an 11/23 or 11/24 (the only systems without I/D space that M+ supports) is perhaps not the most wonderful experience anyway. Since you don't have split I/D-space on those systems, system pool becomes really scarce. And that is not fun.
I read in old issues of the MultiTasker that it didn't take much to get M+ to run on an 18 bit address space non I&D system.
They did mention that there wasn't a lot of pool left...
Haven't had occasion to try it yet.
An 11/44 is so much better.
Without a doubt - the next best thing to an 11/70.
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Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
My most often used Digital Server 5305 (white box equivalent of the as 1200) lost one of its power supplies. It was replaced with a spare and Osmium is running again. I' m thinking of repairing the damaged unit but need schematics for that. Any pointers for them, or a service manual?
Hans
On 2013-09-27 19:08, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/27/2013 05:24 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ok. I think I sorted it out now. That was an ugly bug... :-)
MIM should be stable now, and with an improved TCP/IP, in case anyone
ever notice...
I'm actually hoping to run your RSX IP stack at some point. I just
got another PDP-11/24 recently...Will RSX-11M/Plus run on a machine
without split I/D space?
Yes, M+ will run on an 11/24. It is a supported system. However, my
TCP/IP will not run on that. It requires split I/D-space.
Ahh ok. Well, if I run the 11/24, I obviously won't be running that
stack. :) I may run an 11/44 instead.
Running M+ on an 11/23 or 11/24 (the only systems without I/D space that M+ supports) is perhaps not the most wonderful experience anyway. Since you don't have split I/D-space on those systems, system pool becomes really scarce. And that is not fun.
An 11/44 is so much better.
Johnny
On 09/27/2013 05:24 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ok. I think I sorted it out now. That was an ugly bug... :-)
MIM should be stable now, and with an improved TCP/IP, in case anyone
ever notice...
I'm actually hoping to run your RSX IP stack at some point. I just
got another PDP-11/24 recently...Will RSX-11M/Plus run on a machine
without split I/D space?
Yes, M+ will run on an 11/24. It is a supported system. However, my
TCP/IP will not run on that. It requires split I/D-space.
Ahh ok. Well, if I run the 11/24, I obviously won't be running that
stack. :) I may run an 11/44 instead.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 09/27/2013 12:30 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Okay Cory what did you do?
I lost my member information in The Great Zpool Failure of 2013.
It is really, really hard to trash a zpool. What happened? (probably
best off-list) Did you tell me about that?
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
Hello!
That's not what happened. Check your mailbox.
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On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Okay Cory what did you do?
I lost my member information in The Great Zpool Failure of 2013.
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Okay Cory what did you do?
I lost my member information in The Great Zpool Failure of 2013.
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
FYI, I passed along your interests in having EISNER connected to HECnet
to Mr. Dale Coy. He thought it would be a great idea but suggested that
the DECUServe community be consulted.
I've begun discussion in the DECUServe Notes Conference: DECUSERVE_FORUM,
under the title: The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking^JHECnet
You are invited to join DECUServe (if you are not already a subscriber)
to add your input to that discussion. Dale's informed me that DECUServe
system is to be moved from its current location the the near future. If
there is interest in havin EISNER connected with HECnet, it would be best
to incorporate this into the system's moving/relocation plans.
I would join but I forgot my old password and I haven't gotten the email
about the new account yet.
It looks to me like you'd signed up twice:
CORY SMELOSKY SMELOSKY [610,22102] US404663 Normal 4 DISK_USER:[DECUSERVE_USER.SMELOSKY]
CORY SMELOSKY SMELOSKY_C [610,23265] US405411 Normal 4 DISK_USER:[DECUSERVE_USER.SMELOSKY_C]
I can set one or both of these to a new passwrod for you.
Well, I'm using SMELOSKY_C currently, can you purge SMELOSKY please?
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Just saw this on the nodedb for the first time, I knew we had a couple of Siberian nodes but Kazakhstan was a new one for me:
ASDS20 62.8 Oleg Safiullin AlphaServer DS20 OpenVMS V8.4 Almaty, KZ 11-May-2013 00:20:46
ASGS80 62.9 Oleg Safiullin AlphaServer GS80 OpenVMS V8.4 Almaty, KZ 11-May-2013 00:21:19
Oleg are you remotely running these or? In any case, HECnet's geographical coverage is getting pretty large, especially if I finally manage to get a DSL line in Beirut (we need to have a Middle East outpost, no?)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
Hello!
Okay Cory what did you do?
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On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
<system at tmesis.com> wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
FYI, I passed along your interests in having EISNER connected to HECnet
to Mr. Dale Coy. He thought it would be a great idea but suggested that
the DECUServe community be consulted.
I've begun discussion in the DECUServe Notes Conference: DECUSERVE_FORUM,
under the title: The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking^JHECnet
You are invited to join DECUServe (if you are not already a subscriber)
to add your input to that discussion. Dale's informed me that DECUServe
system is to be moved from its current location the the near future. If
there is interest in havin EISNER connected with HECnet, it would be best
to incorporate this into the system's moving/relocation plans.
I would join but I forgot my old password and I haven't gotten the email
about the new account yet.
It looks to me like you'd signed up twice:
CORY SMELOSKY SMELOSKY [610,22102] US404663 Normal 4 DISK_USER:[DECUSERVE_USER.SMELOSKY]
CORY SMELOSKY SMELOSKY_C [610,23265] US405411 Normal 4 DISK_USER:[DECUSERVE_USER.SMELOSKY_C]
I can set one or both of these to a new passwrod for you.
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