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Humour - Unix Haters Guide now up on CHIMPY:: !

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Being right is my job, Cory. And as it happens, You're right. Red Hat only writes Linux that's not on Intel. I certainly hope Joe you're not running RHEL in there..... ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Joe Ferraro wrote: We just turned off our last VAX this month. Was replaced with none other than a Linux VM. (We still have a few left, but none left at my plant). Linux VM? Let me guess..Red Hat Enterprise Linux on a Dell? (I hate Red Hat with a passion for commercialising linux...among other things they do.) Along with the fact most of their products are utter crap. I mean...YUM still can't search for packages while it's installing packages?... Can you GET more braindead? I've seen better "enterprise" products come out of dumpsters. On Oct 2, 2013, at 15:34, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> wrote: Fantastic. I remember reading that a long long time ago, just when we were phasing the VMS machines and terminals out in favour of Ultrix DECstations and VAXstations. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: This book is hilarious, and can be copied from CHIMPY::UGH.PDF over HECnet. sampsa -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Humour - Unix Haters Guide now up on CHIMPY:: !

by b4＠gewt.net

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/03/2013 10:09 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Joe Ferraro wrote: We just turned off our last VAX this month. Was replaced with none other than a Linux VM. (We still have a few left, but none left at my plant). Linux VM? Let me guess..Red Hat Enterprise Linux on a Dell? (I hate Red Hat with a passion for commercialising linux...among other things they do.) Along with the fact most of their products are utter crap. I mean...YUM still can't search for packages while it's installing packages?... Can you GET more braindead? I've seen better "enterprise" products come out of dumpsters. I dunno, while I prefer to run Solaris on servers, I make pretty good money depending on Linux machines these days. I'm not saying I hate linux for servers...I just hate RHEL and Red Hat as a company. ;) Remember, you go out of your way to break things...that sorta disqualifies you from complaining that things are broken. ;) True. YUM is an more just braindead than it is broken. -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Humour - Unix Haters Guide now up on CHIMPY:: !

by jferraro＠gmail.com

Close. OEL 6 on Cisco UCS. But same same (ok, worse in my opinion). On Oct 3, 2013, at 22:09, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Joe Ferraro wrote: We just turned off our last VAX this month. Was replaced with none other than a Linux VM. (We still have a few left, but none left at my plant). Linux VM? Let me guess..Red Hat Enterprise Linux on a Dell? (I hate Red Hat with a passion for commercialising linux...among other things they do.) Along with the fact most of their products are utter crap. I mean...YUM still can't search for packages while it's installing packages?... Can you GET more braindead? I've seen better "enterprise" products come out of dumpsters. On Oct 2, 2013, at 15:34, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> wrote: Fantastic. I remember reading that a long long time ago, just when we were phasing the VMS machines and terminals out in favour of Ultrix DECstations and VAXstations. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: This book is hilarious, and can be copied from CHIMPY::UGH.PDF over HECnet. sampsa -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Humour - Unix Haters Guide now up on CHIMPY:: !

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Grab the hardware!! On 10/03/2013 10:00 PM, Joe Ferraro wrote: We just turned off our last VAX this month. Was replaced with none other than a Linux VM. (We still have a few left, but none left at my plant). On Oct 2, 2013, at 15:34, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com <mailto:tonyblews at gmail.com>> wrote: Fantastic. I remember reading that a long long time ago, just when we were phasing the VMS machines and terminals out in favour of Ultrix DECstations and VAXstations. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com <mailto:sampsa at mac.com>> wrote: This book is hilarious, and can be copied from CHIMPY::UGH.PDF over HECnet. sampsa -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Humour - Unix Haters Guide now up on CHIMPY:: !

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/03/2013 10:09 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Joe Ferraro wrote: We just turned off our last VAX this month. Was replaced with none other than a Linux VM. (We still have a few left, but none left at my plant). Linux VM? Let me guess..Red Hat Enterprise Linux on a Dell? (I hate Red Hat with a passion for commercialising linux...among other things they do.) Along with the fact most of their products are utter crap. I mean...YUM still can't search for packages while it's installing packages?... Can you GET more braindead? I've seen better "enterprise" products come out of dumpsters. I dunno, while I prefer to run Solaris on servers, I make pretty good money depending on Linux machines these days. Remember, you go out of your way to break things...that sorta disqualifies you from complaining that things are broken. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Humour - Unix Haters Guide now up on CHIMPY:: !

by b4＠gewt.net

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013, Joe Ferraro wrote: We just turned off our last VAX this month. Was replaced with none other than a Linux VM. (We still have a few left, but none left at my plant). Linux VM? Let me guess..Red Hat Enterprise Linux on a Dell? (I hate Red Hat with a passion for commercialising linux...among other things they do.) Along with the fact most of their products are utter crap. I mean...YUM still can't search for packages while it's installing packages?... Can you GET more braindead? I've seen better "enterprise" products come out of dumpsters. On Oct 2, 2013, at 15:34, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> wrote: Fantastic. I remember reading that a long long time ago, just when we were phasing the VMS machines and terminals out in favour of Ultrix DECstations and VAXstations. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: This book is hilarious, and can be copied from CHIMPY::UGH.PDF over HECnet. sampsa -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Humour - Unix Haters Guide now up on CHIMPY:: !

by jferraro＠gmail.com

We just turned off our last VAX this month. Was replaced with none other than a Linux VM. (We still have a few left, but none left at my plant). On Oct 2, 2013, at 15:34, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> wrote: Fantastic. I remember reading that a long long time ago, just when we were phasing the VMS machines and terminals out in favour of Ultrix DECstations and VAXstations. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: This book is hilarious, and can be copied from CHIMPY::UGH.PDF over HECnet. sampsa

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hosts within recondite-computers.co.uk domain

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 4 Oct 2013, at 02:42, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-04 01:57, Steve Davidson wrote: decnet.org has been down for a while. I have not had a chance to put it back together, and it will be some time before I can commit to that. You know, you could host it on MIM:: :-) Johnny Yeah, why leave all that spare capacity idling? There's a REASON why the might RSX-11 HTTP server exists, no?

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hosts within recondite-computers.co.uk domain

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-10-04 01:57, Steve Davidson wrote: decnet.org has been down for a while. I have not had a chance to put it back together, and it will be some time before I can commit to that. You know, you could host it on MIM:: :-) Johnny -Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] *On Behalf Of *Tony Blews *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:32 AM *To:* hecnet at update.uu.se *Subject:* [HECnet] hosts within recondite-computers.co.uk domain Hi. I've got the much underused domain recondite-computers.co.uk <http://recondite-computers.co.uk>, which I thought I might as well offer up to anyone who wants a host name listed under it. Currently only www.recondite-computers.co.uk <http://www.recondite-computers.co.uk> and tardis.recondite-computers.co.uk <http://tardis.recondite-computers.co.uk> are being used (the same virtual machine). All the mail for the domain currently bounces via @tardis.decnet.org <http://tardis.decnet.org> (as i never could get SMTP working on tardis), but i can add MX records if required. As I can't think of anything to do with it (it was originally for a Star Cops wiki that never happened), I thought I'd offer it up to you lot. Tony. -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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hosts within recondite-computers.co.uk domain

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Take your time Steve. Tony can you document someplace how you assembled your host that's running on your domain name? And what your site needs Tony is the Doctor, but he's busy over here. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> wrote: Hi. I've got the much underused domain recondite-computers.co.uk, which I thought I might as well offer up to anyone who wants a host name listed under it. Currently only www.recondite-computers.co.uk and tardis.recondite-computers.co.uk are being used (the same virtual machine). All the mail for the domain currently bounces via @tardis.decnet.org (as i never could get SMTP working on tardis), but i can add MX records if required. As I can't think of anything to do with it (it was originally for a Star Cops wiki that never happened), I thought I'd offer it up to you lot. Tony.

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hosts within recondite-computers.co.uk domain

by jeep＠scshome.net

decnet.org has been down for a while. I have not had a chance to put it back together, and it will be some time before I can commit to that. -Steve From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tony Blews Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:32 AM To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: [HECnet] hosts within recondite-computers.co.uk domain Hi. I've got the much underused domain recondite-computers.co.uk, which I thought I might as well offer up to anyone who wants a host name listed under it. Currently only www.recondite-computers.co.uk and tardis.recondite-computers.co.uk are being used (the same virtual machine). All the mail for the domain currently bounces via @tardis.decnet.org (as i never could get SMTP working on tardis), but i can add MX records if required. As I can't think of anything to do with it (it was originally for a Star Cops wiki that never happened), I thought I'd offer it up to you lot. Tony.

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VT-62?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: The Rainbow is neat. I had a shot at getting an early DECmate... Wish I was in the US, this guy is selling for $75... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-DEC-Rainbow-100-Plus-Case-and-Working-Pow… Hey, maybe i'll pick that up when I get outbid on the VAX i'm bidding on. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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VT-62?

by sampsa＠mac.com

The Rainbow is neat. I had a shot at getting an early DECmate... Wish I was in the US, this guy is selling for $75... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-DEC-Rainbow-100-Plus-Case-and-Working-Pow…

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VT-62?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/03/2013 03:02 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Thanks! If I shove the VT420 here I run out of room for the IP phone without a handset. ;) I'll find that damn handset one of these days. No worries. I'm amused by the IP phone with lack of a handset. ;) I'm still not quite sure whether I want the VT420 on my desk or downstairs at THAT desk. -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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OpenVMS on VAXstation 4000/60

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/03/2013 11:01 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: Lighter??? FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within it. The VAX processors, even in the latter generation VAX systems, are not very fast by today's standards. If you believe that every little bit helps, then you'd be running V7.3 to get every little bit of help you can get from VMS. I remember when VMS V5 came out. It was a total dog. I think DEC started to work on improving performance in V6, but I would not be surprised to learn that V7 is much better for performance than V6... Same here. V5 was a mess. It was usable on my 3600s, but the hit was plainly noticable. Where it really hurt was on my 11/750. (well not "my" of course) Under V4.7 we regularly had a dozen scientists working on the 11/750, while under V5 they started becoming frustrated and whiny around 7 or 8 users. It was painful. I've noticed V5 being a mess even in SIMH! V4.7 had much better peformance. ;) -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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VT-62?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/03/2013 03:05 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On 10/03/2013 02:54 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: The terminals themselves were just largish monitors and keyboard with an LSI11 system built in (an 11/03 or 11/2 - wasn't an 11/23, they were too new). Yup. That's why I'm drooling. I like that idea a lot. The tricky part for writing your own code would be to reverse engineer the display engine. It was some sort of display list processor, same general idea as a GT-40 but text only. That sounds like fun too!! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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VT-62?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/03/2013 03:02 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Thanks! If I shove the VT420 here I run out of room for the IP phone without a handset. ;) I'll find that damn handset one of these days. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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VT-62?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 3 Oct 2013, at 20:51, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/03/2013 01:20 PM, lee.gleason at comcast.net wrote: The terminals themselves were just largish monitors and keyboard with an LSI11 system built in (an 11/03 or 11/2 - wasn't an 11/23, they were too new). Yup. That's why I'm drooling. I like that idea a lot. I'm not too interested in that very-vertical-market-sounding experience. I just like the idea of a small PDP-11 inside a rather iconic terminal that I can download arbitrary code into. It'd be fun. What I would LOVE is a VT180, basically VT102 + 8080 CPU running CP/M. I've always been a CP/M fan for some odd reason :) Come to think of it, I'd probably buy a DEC Rainbow if I came across on that has three modes I think (VT100/8080/8088).. The Rainbow is neat. I had a shot at getting an early DECmate... sampsa -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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OpenVMS on VAXstation 4000/60

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/03/2013 11:01 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: Lighter??? FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within it. The VAX processors, even in the latter generation VAX systems, are not very fast by today's standards. If you believe that every little bit helps, then you'd be running V7.3 to get every little bit of help you can get from VMS. I remember when VMS V5 came out. It was a total dog. I think DEC started to work on improving performance in V6, but I would not be surprised to learn that V7 is much better for performance than V6... Same here. V5 was a mess. It was usable on my 3600s, but the hit was plainly noticable. Where it really hurt was on my 11/750. (well not "my" of course) Under V4.7 we regularly had a dozen scientists working on the 11/750, while under V5 they started becoming frustrated and whiny around 7 or 8 users. It was painful. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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VT-62?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On 10/03/2013 02:54 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: The terminals themselves were just largish monitors and keyboard with an LSI11 system built in (an 11/03 or 11/2 - wasn't an 11/23, they were too new). Yup. That's why I'm drooling. I like that idea a lot. The tricky part for writing your own code would be to reverse engineer the display engine. It was some sort of display list processor, same general idea as a GT-40 but text only. paul

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VT-62?

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 3 Oct 2013, at 20:51, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/03/2013 01:20 PM, lee.gleason at comcast.net wrote: The terminals themselves were just largish monitors and keyboard with an LSI11 system built in (an 11/03 or 11/2 - wasn't an 11/23, they were too new). Yup. That's why I'm drooling. I like that idea a lot. I'm not too interested in that very-vertical-market-sounding experience. I just like the idea of a small PDP-11 inside a rather iconic terminal that I can download arbitrary code into. It'd be fun. What I would LOVE is a VT180, basically VT102 + 8080 CPU running CP/M. I've always been a CP/M fan for some odd reason :) Come to think of it, I'd probably buy a DEC Rainbow if I came across on that has three modes I think (VT100/8080/8088).. sampsa

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VT-62?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/03/2013 02:58 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/03/2013 02:54 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: The terminals themselves were just largish monitors and keyboard with an LSI11 system built in (an 11/03 or 11/2 - wasn't an 11/23, they were too new). Yup. That's why I'm drooling. I like that idea a lot. I like the idea, too. I'd put something else on my desk if I had the space. Or the ethernet cables. Those would be serial cables. I was thinking of adding a terminal server to the desk, too. So that'd need an ethernet cable as well. Oh! Good idea. -Dave Thanks! If I shove the VT420 here I run out of room for the IP phone without a handset. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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VT-62?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/03/2013 02:58 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/03/2013 02:54 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: The terminals themselves were just largish monitors and keyboard with an LSI11 system built in (an 11/03 or 11/2 - wasn't an 11/23, they were too new). Yup. That's why I'm drooling. I like that idea a lot. I like the idea, too. I'd put something else on my desk if I had the space. Or the ethernet cables. Those would be serial cables. I was thinking of adding a terminal server to the desk, too. So that'd need an ethernet cable as well. Oh! Good idea. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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VT-62?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/03/2013 02:54 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: The terminals themselves were just largish monitors and keyboard with an LSI11 system built in (an 11/03 or 11/2 - wasn't an 11/23, they were too new). Yup. That's why I'm drooling. I like that idea a lot. I like the idea, too. I'd put something else on my desk if I had the space. Or the ethernet cables. Those would be serial cables. I was thinking of adding a terminal server to the desk, too. So that'd need an ethernet cable as well. -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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VT-62?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/03/2013 02:54 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: The terminals themselves were just largish monitors and keyboard with an LSI11 system built in (an 11/03 or 11/2 - wasn't an 11/23, they were too new). Yup. That's why I'm drooling. I like that idea a lot. I like the idea, too. I'd put something else on my desk if I had the space. Or the ethernet cables. Those would be serial cables. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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