On 5 Oct 2013, at 20:28, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2013 12:56 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
I think it was a poor choice of words and he mean 'electrical engineer' :)
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
That depends what components die and how directly replaceable they are.
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On 10/05/2013 11:45 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I have two VaxStation 3100's that I bought some time back but didn't
have time to mess with until now.
Unlike my DEC 3000, the serial console is an MMJ port and not a DB9
serial port.
Does anyone have an excess or spare MMJ to DB9 adaptor, or know where
I can purchase an inexpensive one?
First of all, you are talking about a DE9, not a DB9 (surprising how
many don't know the correct name of that connector).
I educate whomever I can, but I have all but given up on the general
technical public understanding this.
Second, DEC often used a different pinout for a DE9 than IBM did, so you
might not be too happy with the adapter, depending on what you want in
the end.
In this case, the DEC-machine-facing side is the MMJ. (at least that
is my understanding)
I tired hooking up my multisync monitor I have hooked up to my DEC
3000, but I don't think the graphic card is set to a setting within
the monitor's range, as nothing shows up.
Do the DEC 3000 have a VGA port?
It does not.
-Dave
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On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/05/2013 03:44 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/05/2013 03:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
...or wire up an ATX supply.
....if it has the right voltages. Not everything is +12/+5.
Or the occasional 3.3. You can also get hacky and drop the voltage on
the rails with the right circuit.
Yes. But almost nothing is 3.3V in the age range we're talking about.
The VT340 in particular predates mainstream 3.3V logic by at least a
decade. Mine was a context-sensitive comment.
-Dave
Ahh. Mine wasn't context-senstive. I highly doubted the VT340 would use 3.3V logic.y
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On 10/05/2013 03:44 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/05/2013 03:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
...or wire up an ATX supply.
....if it has the right voltages. Not everything is +12/+5.
Or the occasional 3.3. You can also get hacky and drop the voltage on
the rails with the right circuit.
Yes. But almost nothing is 3.3V in the age range we're talking about.
The VT340 in particular predates mainstream 3.3V logic by at least a
decade. Mine was a context-sensitive comment.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/05/2013 03:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
...or wire up an ATX supply.
....if it has the right voltages. Not everything is +12/+5.
-Dave
Or the occasional 3.3. You can also get hacky and drop the voltage on the rails with the right circuit.
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine
Sent: 05 October 2013 20:33
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECNET over serial ports?
On 5 Oct 2013, at 21:28, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-"
<system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Is it possible to send DECNET frames over regular RS232 serial ports?
DDCMP!
Thanks guys, might try this out on one of my MicroVAX 3400s at some point,
I've run out ethernet transceivers so I'll wire it into a VAXstation that
is
HECnet connected.
Would this work?
sampsa
The VAXstation will need to configured as a router, but that is very easy to
do.
Regards
Rob
On 10/05/2013 03:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
...or wire up an ATX supply.
....if it has the right voltages. Not everything is +12/+5.
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
On 5 Oct 2013, at 21:28, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Is it possible to send DECNET frames over regular RS232 serial ports?
DDCMP!
Thanks guys, might try this out on one of my MicroVAX 3400s at some point, I've run out ethernet transceivers so I'll wire it into a VAXstation that is HECnet connected.
Would this work?
sampsa
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/05/2013 12:56 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
...or wire up an ATX supply.
-Dave
--
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Is it possible to send DECNET frames over regular RS232 serial ports?
DDCMP!
See...
$ HELP SET TERMINAL /SWITCH
...for starters.
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On 10/05/2013 12:56 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being
monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency
of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified
electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
Electricians do not do this sort of work. They primarily pull cable
and run what amounts to plumbing and lots of physical construction.
What you're talking about is engineering.
It would likely be easier to repair the existing power supplies. Are
schematics around?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/05/2013 03:23 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is it possible to send DECNET frames over regular RS232 serial ports?
Yes, DDCMP.
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, G. wrote:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 12:02:15 -0400, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm entering NCP from OPR to add node names. However it keeps telling me
"NCP is not running".
That usually happens when NML is not running either because was not started or
because has stopped. Given that you are using a DECnet-enabled monitor, your
SYSTAT should show something like this:
Well, r NML says "not an EXE file". This could be related.
| Status of T10 DECnet node DIECI at 19:30:29 on 05-Oct-113
|
| Uptime 3352:10:38, 5% Null time = 5% Idle + 0% Lost, 0% Overhead
| 15 Jobs in use out of 120. 15 logged in, 13 detached.
|
| Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time
|
| 1 [OPR] DET STOMPR 11+12 SL 0 01
| 2 [OPR] CTY OPR 69+40 HB 0
| 3 [OPR] 4 SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0
| 7 [OPR] DET FILDAE 17 HB 0
| 8 [OPR] DET ACTDAE 66+40 SL 0
| 9 [OPR] DET DAEMON 11+SPY HB 0
| 10 [OPR] DET QUASAR 123+40 SL 0
| 11 [OPR] DET PULSAR 66+40 HB 0
| 12 [OPR] DET MIC 5+15 SL 0
| 13 [OPR] DET NML 38+135 HB 0 <--- HERE!
| 14 [OPR] DET MX 29+21 HB 0
| 15 [OPR] DET ORION 34+40 SL 0
| 16 [OPR] DET NEBULA 27+40 HB 0
| 17 [OPR] DET CATLOG 147+40 HB 0
| 18 [OPR] DET FAL-10 115+40 SL 0
| .
| .
| .
If NML is e.g. in TO state (Terminal Output) that means that it encoutered
some error and is waiting for someone to read it and do something...
NML gets automatically started by ORION, which in turn gets started by QUASAR,
which must be listed in SYS:SYSJOB.INI:
All that is being started...but I think NML.EXE is broken. ;)
| SET DEFAULT ACCOUNT SYSTEM
| LOG
| FILDAE
| LOG
| ACTDAE
| LOG
| DAEMON
| LOG ;GALAXY JOBS
| QUASAR <--- HERE!
| LOG
| MIC
| NODNAM ;Loads INI:NODNAM.INI then starts MX
HTH,
G.
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On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 12:02:15 -0400, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm entering NCP from OPR to add node names. However it keeps telling me
"NCP is not running".
That usually happens when NML is not running either because was not started or
because has stopped. Given that you are using a DECnet-enabled monitor, your
SYSTAT should show something like this:
| Status of T10 DECnet node DIECI at 19:30:29 on 05-Oct-113
|
| Uptime 3352:10:38, 5% Null time = 5% Idle + 0% Lost, 0% Overhead
| 15 Jobs in use out of 120. 15 logged in, 13 detached.
|
| Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time
|
| 1 [OPR] DET STOMPR 11+12 SL 0 01
| 2 [OPR] CTY OPR 69+40 HB 0
| 3 [OPR] 4 SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0
| 7 [OPR] DET FILDAE 17 HB 0
| 8 [OPR] DET ACTDAE 66+40 SL 0
| 9 [OPR] DET DAEMON 11+SPY HB 0
| 10 [OPR] DET QUASAR 123+40 SL 0
| 11 [OPR] DET PULSAR 66+40 HB 0
| 12 [OPR] DET MIC 5+15 SL 0
| 13 [OPR] DET NML 38+135 HB 0 <--- HERE!
| 14 [OPR] DET MX 29+21 HB 0
| 15 [OPR] DET ORION 34+40 SL 0
| 16 [OPR] DET NEBULA 27+40 HB 0
| 17 [OPR] DET CATLOG 147+40 HB 0
| 18 [OPR] DET FAL-10 115+40 SL 0
| .
| .
| .
If NML is e.g. in TO state (Terminal Output) that means that it encoutered
some error and is waiting for someone to read it and do something...
NML gets automatically started by ORION, which in turn gets started by QUASAR,
which must be listed in SYS:SYSJOB.INI:
| SET DEFAULT ACCOUNT SYSTEM
| LOG
| FILDAE
| LOG
| ACTDAE
| LOG
| DAEMON
| LOG ;GALAXY JOBS
| QUASAR <--- HERE!
| LOG
| MIC
| NODNAM ;Loads INI:NODNAM.INI then starts MX
HTH,
G.
I am alive!
I unplugged it all. Flicked all the switches and changed the trasceiver. It said something about the SQE being off for connection to a dte and on for a repeating. So i turned it on, and its all going!!
Now DECnet, but first sleep :)
Regards,
Daniel.
Sent from my iPad
On 5 Oct 2013, at 8:35 pm, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> writes:
The error is;
Please mount volume ESP_DATA in device _ESP1$DKA200:
Can't mount a device that doesn't exists!
The problem with copying is that atm, the machine is an island unto itself a=
nd I've nowhere to copy it to. I wanted to get IP up so I could ftp it out.
If I get that far, do you guys have a copy of 6.2 and RDB etc that I can ins=
tall from? i wanted dont want to weigh the Vaxstation down with the extra li=
nes of code in the current version. I've got a RX3200 for that. I even thoug=
ht of putting on 5.5
Look through the system startup for a MOUNT command that would attempt to
mount DKA200 with label ESP_DATA.
$ SEARCH SYS$STARTUP:*.COM ESP_DATA
When you find that, edit the procedure and comment out the MOUNT.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Can they be replaced with anything sensible, i.e. could a qualified electrician build a new one for not too much effort?
sampsa
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
yOn Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Brian's scripts are working oddly enough. Someone's routing
arrangement is taking today and probably the Sunday, off.
Cory who are you being routed through to the rest of the network?
A better question is who am I NOT being routed through. ;)
What is your external IP? I'll update my config and get you back on line.
Regards, Tim.
Whatever dev.gimme-sympathy.org currently resolves to.
There you go, you're back.
Regards, Tim.
Yup. Thanks!
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On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
yOn Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Brian's scripts are working oddly enough. Someone's routing
arrangement is taking today and probably the Sunday, off.
Cory who are you being routed through to the rest of the network?
A better question is who am I NOT being routed through. ;)
What is your external IP? I'll update my config and get you back on line.
Regards, Tim.
Whatever dev.gimme-sympathy.org currently resolves to.
There you go, you're back.
Regards, Tim.
yOn Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Brian's scripts are working oddly enough. Someone's routing
arrangement is taking today and probably the Sunday, off.
Cory who are you being routed through to the rest of the network?
A better question is who am I NOT being routed through. ;)
What is your external IP? I'll update my config and get you back on line.
Regards, Tim.
Whatever dev.gimme-sympathy.org currently resolves to.
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On 2013-10-05 18:11, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I think I'm going to spend the rest of life looking for a VT340/340+. It's an addiction, but I simply must own one of them.
Video made me drool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HwhNYQFe-0
A 340 is nice. The 330 is pretty much the same, except for being monochrome.
The problem with the 340 is that the power supply have a tendency of blowing up with age. (I have two broken ones...)
Johnny
On 2013-10-05 18:02, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-10-05 06:01, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello all,
I am reviving this puzzle now that my network has undergone more
restructuring. ;)
I can not for the life of me figure out why NCP isn't running. NETWOR
shows the information it should, DECnet is operational as I can SET HOST
to it yet NCP still tells me it isn't running?
Have I forgotten to start an obvious daemon?
NCP? NCP is a user interface. It should not be running just for its
own amusement.
Exactly what are you doing, and what are the results?
Johnny
I'm entering NCP from OPR to add node names. However it keeps telling
me "NCP is not running".
Hmm. We need someone who remembers the details better. I know there is some daemons that should be started, but I can't remember much more right now. The error message is "weird", though, if that is literal.
Johnny
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Brian's scripts are working oddly enough. Someone's routing
arrangement is taking today and probably the Sunday, off.
Cory who are you being routed through to the rest of the network?
A better question is who am I NOT being routed through. ;)
What is your external IP? I'll update my config and get you back on line.
Regards, Tim.
I think I'm going to spend the rest of life looking for a VT340/340+. It's an addiction, but I simply must own one of them.
Video made me drool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HwhNYQFe-0
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-10-05 06:01, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello all,
I am reviving this puzzle now that my network has undergone more
restructuring. ;)
I can not for the life of me figure out why NCP isn't running. NETWOR
shows the information it should, DECnet is operational as I can SET HOST
to it yet NCP still tells me it isn't running?
Have I forgotten to start an obvious daemon?
NCP? NCP is a user interface. It should not be running just for its own amusement.
Exactly what are you doing, and what are the results?
Johnny
I'm entering NCP from OPR to add node names. However it keeps telling me "NCP is not running".
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