On 2013-10-06 22:10, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 6 Oct 2013, at 21:11, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I think I've seen VT340s for something like $300-$500 approx. Refurbished. Less if just used.
That borderline doable - it's more than I've paid for most of DEC gear lol..
Saw a used VT340 on on ebay for $200 just a few days ago.
Johnny
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email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 6 Oct 2013, at 21:11, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I think I've seen VT340s for something like $300-$500 approx. Refurbished. Less if just used.
That borderline doable - it's more than I've paid for most of DEC gear lol..
Hello!
And what service are you (putting up with) working with, or
subscribing to? Mine is a DSL service provider named Megapath. And
that's more or less what the good people there told me.
Incidentally what I am getting is fairly close to business class for
them. For what they consider to be business class it gets bumped up to
something resembling the WAN or wide area networking experiments.
(Visit their site for clues and things.)
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
In this country to have a static IP address over copper requires
practically new wiring from the Central Office to the Customer. And it
depends on the vendor.
No new wiring is needed here. I just need to pay them to migrate to
business class...that's the cost of the setup fee. $75 for them to push
buttons.
That came up about two to three years ago here, perhaps as late as last
year.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the
same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That
still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years
ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
In this country to have a static IP address over copper requires
practically new wiring from the Central Office to the Customer. And it
depends on the vendor.
No new wiring is needed here. I just need to pay them to migrate to business class...that's the cost of the setup fee. $75 for them to push buttons.
That came up about two to three years ago here, perhaps as late as last year.
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the
same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Hello!
I can see why. My (late) father was also a late attraction to the
Internet. He got online call it late in the period, whereas my brother
and I, had been making use of everything online even before the
Internet was officially available. In fact I had heard about, and
downloaded a copy of E11 from a now defunct service, who obtained a
gateway for itself fairly late. As to how the copy of E11 landed
there, I didn't know then, and I'm nowhere closer.
Incidentally dad would use the Internet to badger us via e-mail, and
to send me copies of Powerpoint animations that a fellow historical
plane fan would put together.
In fact he was quite pleased with what I had accomplished with
everything. My brother less so, and my (older) sister more so, my
(younger) sister not at all.
Peter I'm impressed.
Incidentally in this country the copper wire that holds the phone
connections together is seriously disintegrating and the phone
companies are doing even less then that to maintain them. They're
slowly moving towards fiber-optic stuff, and the cable TV ones don't
like that either.
In this country to have a static IP address over copper requires
practically new wiring from the Central Office to the Customer. And it
depends on the vendor.
That came up about two to three years ago here, perhaps as late as last year.
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the
same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That still leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-10-06 12:46, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 6 Oct 2013, at 10:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 01:47, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Does this help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmrmj5y72kg
:)
If anyone actually wants a VT340, or some other terminal, it's actually not that hard to find one. There are companies that are in the business of selling refurbished terminals. Just Google for them, and you'll find plenty.
Johnny
What kind of prices are they usually asking for? I've seen some DEC refurb stuff go for crazy money.
Then again it'd be nice to know that my new shiny toy won't blowup in 48 hours.
I think I've seen VT340s for something like $300-$500 approx. Refurbished. Less if just used.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hello!
Excellent write up. Right now (no pun included.) I'm still stepping
through the slightly tortuous steps of logic concerning what to run on
mine further along. I'm aiming towards a setup along the line of
yours.
And yes someone has emulated an I4381. I've also emulated a I370 model
168 on mine. (All of you probably know what hints I am getting at
there.)
When all of this goes live, I'll be delighted to report here regarding
what happened.
And of course Tony I'll change details accordingly so I don't crash
the network, since you did request that.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
wrote:
Tony can you document someplace how you
assembled your host that's running on your domain name?
The various bits are online in the mess that is
http://www.blews.co.uk/tony/category/computers/vaxvms/
Bah, I still need to fix DNS on that machine, so tomorrow. :)
-brian
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:37:59AM +0200, Peter Lothberg wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Tony can you document someplace how you
assembled your host that's running on your domain name?
The various bits are online in the mess that is http://www.blews.co.uk/tony/category/computers/vaxvms/
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:37:59AM +0200, Peter Lothberg wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
No one does. They run as a service on my colo box. You're more than
welcome to a copy though if you'd like if you want to see what the do.
I looked at Yang, I didn't see it solving this problem, however.
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
You're already in the database, I just have you disabled because you
never got back to me with snmp info. I'll enable it to send you emails
of the configs so you can manually tweak your end of the tunnels.
-brian
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
> >> Are the scripts not running?
> > Scripts?
> Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
Hi Peter,
I'm on the HECnet cisco mesh but have never had your tunnels come up. If you're interested in bringing your side up I can send you my IP and I'll reinstate your GRE tunnels.
Regards, Tim.
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That still leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
$75 setup fee unless I wamt to pay $15 more/month.
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
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Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
On 2013-10-06 05:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
----------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 17:45:26 +0200
From: bqt at softjar.se
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
CC: mholmes10 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [HECnet] MMJ to DB9 serial adapter
On 2013-10-05 01:16, Michael Holmes wrote:
I tired hooking up my multisync monitor I have hooked up to my DEC 3000, but I don't think the graphic card is set to a setting within the monitor's range, as nothing shows up.
Do the DEC 3000 have a VGA port?
No it has a 3W3 port and the cable outputs to BNC connectors.
One built-in and one on the add-on graphic card.
Aha. So it's video signal with sync on green. You need to have a monitor
that can handle this. Many today don't...
That is most likely your problem, and not frequencies...
DIGITAL p/n 29-32549-01 ;)
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On 6 Oct 2013, at 10:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 01:47, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Does this help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmrmj5y72kg
:)
If anyone actually wants a VT340, or some other terminal, it's actually not that hard to find one. There are companies that are in the business of selling refurbished terminals. Just Google for them, and you'll find plenty.
Johnny
What kind of prices are they usually asking for? I've seen some DEC refurb stuff go for crazy money.
Then again it'd be nice to know that my new shiny toy won't blowup in 48 hours.
On 6 Oct 2013, at 01:47, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Does this help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmrmj5y72kg
:)
On 06/10/2013, at 7:30 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Umm.. That actual unit in the video arrives at my house on Monday. I bought it on eBay a week ago :)
I didn't know they weren't common.
I am more than moderately jealous.
Not really, no.
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That still leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
A quick and dirty reply is : set WSEXTENT to 4 times the value of WSQUO and
see whether the uucp thing keeps running for a longer period of time.
In general I don't like WSEXTENT to be less than WSQUO and certainly not
less than WSDEF.
Hans
On 2013-10-06 01:47, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Does this help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmrmj5y72kg
:)
If anyone actually wants a VT340, or some other terminal, it's actually not that hard to find one. There are companies that are in the business of selling refurbished terminals. Just Google for them, and you'll find plenty.
Johnny
On 06/10/2013, at 7:30 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Umm.. That actual unit in the video arrives at my house on Monday. I bought it on eBay a week ago :)
I didn't know they weren't common.
I am more than moderately jealous.
PS
I use the H8571-J to connect to serial ports on Windows (ducks) based pc's.
This works well for the AlphaServer 800 (MMJ console) as well as for the
AlphaServer 1200/1000 models with just two ports.
I have two old Compaq pc's that run XP with 3 or 4 two-port serial
interfaces.
I run PuTTY on them, one instance for each serial console, works like a
charm.
Hans
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Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: RE: [HECnet] MMJ to DB9 serial adapter
There are several connector models that fit a DE9.
The H8571-J works for me for all my Alpha's as well as VAXstation 4000
and VAX(station) 3100 models.
The H8571-J works in combination with the 25-pin H8571-E (male) and
H8571-A (female).
The H8575-B only works in pairs, not with any of the H8571-x models,
no idea how it is wired inside.
Hans
On 2013-10-06 05:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
----------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 17:45:26 +0200
From: bqt at softjar.se
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
CC: mholmes10 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [HECnet] MMJ to DB9 serial adapter
On 2013-10-05 01:16, Michael Holmes wrote:
I tired hooking up my multisync monitor I have hooked up to my DEC 3000, but I don't think the graphic card is set to a setting within the monitor's range, as nothing shows up.
Do the DEC 3000 have a VGA port?
No it has a 3W3 port and the cable outputs to BNC connectors.
One built-in and one on the add-on graphic card.
Aha. So it's video signal with sync on green. You need to have a monitor that can handle this. Many today don't...
That is most likely your problem, and not frequencies...
Johnny
There are several connector models that fit a DE9.
The H8571-J works for me for all my Alpha's as well as VAXstation 4000
and VAX(station) 3100 models.
The H8571-J works in combination with the 25-pin H8571-E (male) and
H8571-A (female).
The H8575-B only works in pairs, not with any of the H8571-x models,
no idea how it is wired inside.
Hans
On 2013-10-06 01:01, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
On 2013-10-05 22:27, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/05/2013 11:45 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Second, DEC often used a different pinout for a DE9 than IBM did, so you
might not be too happy with the adapter, depending on what you want in
the end.
In this case, the DEC-machine-facing side is the MMJ. (at least that
is my understanding)
Mine too. But he was asking for a MMJ to DE9 adapter as well. And I was
pointing out that the (most) common adapter is not IBM PC compatible.
I don't believe that the most common MMJ adapters are NOT PeeCee compatible.
I have and I have come across manymnay more that are PeeCee compatible that
those that are not. The original 9-pin pinout was abandoned pretty early on
in the MMJ adapter history. See the OpenVMS FAQ for actual part number for
these adapters.
http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/vmsfaq/
Maybe I'm wrong. But I have a number of MMJ-DE9 adapters, received from multiple sources, but I do not have a single one which is PC compatible.
Johnny
----------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 17:45:26 +0200
From: bqt at softjar.se
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
CC: mholmes10 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [HECnet] MMJ to DB9 serial adapter
On 2013-10-05 01:16, Michael Holmes wrote:
I have two VaxStation 3100's that I bought some time back but didn't have time to mess with until now.
Unlike my DEC 3000, the serial console is an MMJ port and not a DB9 serial port.
Does anyone have an excess or spare MMJ to DB9 adaptor, or know where I can purchase an inexpensive one?
First of all, you are talking about a DE9, not a DB9 (surprising how
many don't know the correct name of that connector).
Second, DEC often used a different pinout for a DE9 than IBM did, so you
might not be too happy with the adapter, depending on what you want in
the end.
I tired hooking up my multisync monitor I have hooked up to my DEC 3000, but I don't think the graphic card is set to a setting within the monitor's range, as nothing shows up.
Do the DEC 3000 have a VGA port?
No it has a 3W3 port and the cable outputs to BNC connectors.
One built-in and one on the add-on graphic card.
Johnny
