Any chance you have got two different DCLTABLES in SYS$COMMON and SYS$SPECIFIC?
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 07/10/2013, a les 5:15, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello,
After the reinstall to 7.3 I've made progress! UUCP no longer gives quota exceeded errors...it just gives a message about it having aborted. Nothing else is in the debug logs. CC, Pascal, COBOL, and FORTRAN also seem to be in DCLTABLES for awhile...but after I log out they're no longer listed. WTF? I've run their requisite startup scripts! How the hell did I break DCLTABLES? (I've increased the page table limits in case they were getting full. I'm also getting no debug info related to this, either)
At least the quota issues disappeared. ;)
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
yOn Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> writes:
=20
Lighter???
=20
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your
VAX=
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained
within=20=
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I
was g=
iven advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.=20
OO! ROTFLMFA0!
OpenVMS may be written in about 8 different languages but I'm fairly sure
none are OO...except MAYBE the few C++ bits according to Wikipedia.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find any C++ in there. Possibly in the
language RTL. I know that GEM had a bit of C++ thrown in at the end of its
life, but it too is mostly BLISS.
I figured that much. I knew none of the core components were OO. ;)
Although I'm late to the party on this thread, I can't agree more (as I
have said to Daniel in a private thread). V7.3 on VAX is absolutely the
way to go, especially if you intend to use HPs TCP/IP package. As for
Alpha I'd go with V8.3 and Itanium, V8.3-1H1. As Brian pointed out V8,4
was the first release post off-shoring. The work done for this release was
initiated when ZKO was being shutdown and moved to MRO, which too was
promptly shutdown and moved to India. As someone who has used and observed
some serious issues with this release (which I believe Brian is too) I
would not recommend it at all. It is my belief that that the goings on at
HP greatly affected the quality.
Regards, Tim.
I'd agree. I've had better luck with 7.3 except for the teething problems from user error. (Like installed products randomly disappearing from DCLTABLES...again likely user error)
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
yOn Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> writes:
=20
Lighter???
=20
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX=
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within=20=
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was g=
iven advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.=20
OO! ROTFLMFA0!
OpenVMS may be written in about 8 different languages but I'm fairly sure none are OO...except MAYBE the few C++ bits according to Wikipedia.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find any C++ in there. Possibly in the language RTL. I know that GEM had a bit of C++ thrown in at the end of its life, but it too is mostly BLISS.
Although I'm late to the party on this thread, I can't agree more (as I have said to Daniel in a private thread). V7.3 on VAX is absolutely the way to go, especially if you intend to use HPs TCP/IP package. As for Alpha I'd go with V8.3 and Itanium, V8.3-1H1. As Brian pointed out V8,4 was the first release post off-shoring. The work done for this release was initiated when ZKO was being shutdown and moved to MRO, which too was promptly shutdown and moved to India. As someone who has used and observed some serious issues with this release (which I believe Brian is too) I would not recommend it at all. It is my belief that that the goings on at HP greatly affected the quality.
Regards, Tim.
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello,
After the reinstall to 7.3 I've made progress! UUCP no longer gives quota exceeded errors...it just gives a message about it having aborted. Nothing else is in the debug logs. CC, Pascal, COBOL, and FORTRAN also seem to be in DCLTABLES for awhile...but after I log out they're no longer listed. WTF? I've run their requisite startup scripts! How the hell did I break DCLTABLES? (I've increased the page table limits in case they were getting full. I'm also getting no debug info related to this, either)
At least the quota issues disappeared. ;)
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Hello!
I don't have to mess around with dynamic DNS either. Mine is arranged
as a static set of two (or three) addresses. The address that the
router gets from the CPE is dynamic and constructed via PPPoe.
My person website is supported via one of those firms who takes the
changeable and thus non static DSL (or PPPoE) IP address and turns it
into one that the website name registry firm will accept, via selected
host.
So far the only sticky is that of a mail server. It turns out that the
physics behind a name registry for DNS and its records needs a fixed
IP address, as Static, and that I'd need SDSL for.
Oh and I go over my ISP billing ideas every time the contract comes up
for renewal.
So there you go Daniel.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Greetings,
My apologies, I should have been clearer. Just anyone who hadn't checked their ISP's pricing for a while. I was pleasantly surprised to find I wouldn't have to mess around with dynamic DNS or pay extra.
Daniel.
Sent from my iPhone
On 7 Oct 2013, at 8:24 am, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
Then who were you referring to?
That? I arranged it.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again.
Greetings,
My apologies, I should have been clearer. Just anyone who hadn't checked their ISP's pricing for a while. I was pleasantly surprised to find I wouldn't have to mess around with dynamic DNS or pay extra.
Daniel.
Sent from my iPhone
On 7 Oct 2013, at 8:24 am, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
Then who were you referring to?
That? I arranged it.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again.
Hello!
Then who were you referring to?
That? I arranged it.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
I wasn't referring to Peter! (why is there a drone hovering above my house?
Jag har inte gjort n got fel!)
:)
Daniel.
On 07/10/2013, at 3:20 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the same
$ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> writes:
I don't know where modern iterations of VMS were developed. Considering =
what HP did with their calculator division, I was suspicious they'd =
"partnered" or "right sized" development to bombay.
Until roughly 2011, VMS was developed in the MRO and ZKO facilites of the
old DEC empire. It was transitions to the India group in that time. V8.4
was the first release that was, more or less, handled outside traditional
DEC.
Anyone benchmarked versions of VMS? I thought that pre-64 bit might run =
better on an old VAX.
Doubtful.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
I don't know where modern iterations of VMS were developed. Considering what HP did with their calculator division, I was suspicious they'd "partnered" or "right sized" development to bombay.
Anyone benchmarked versions of VMS? I thought that pre-64 bit might run better on an old VAX.
Daniel.
On 07/10/2013, at 7:56 AM, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Had. :(
At one ZKO meeting, he and another fellow (I know his name but will elide
it from discussion here) had a battle of wits and I left, the room, as I
remember, in tears from laughter.
FWIW, the SECURITY_SERVER in VMS is mostly Larry's handiwork.
Back to the theme of this thread: Don't confuse the volume of source with
the efficiency of the code.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
I wasn't referring to Peter! (why is there a drone hovering above my house? Jag har inte gjort n got fel!)
:)
Daniel.
On 07/10/2013, at 3:20 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That still leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've just managed to break 'em even further!
$ mc authorize
%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image AUTHORIZE
-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file
MOIRA$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]AUTHORIZE.EXE;
-RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed
-SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded
I take it bytlm=0 isn't infinite?
Correct. You can not declare INFINITE BYTLM because non-page pool is not
infinite (nor is real memory, for that matter).
That would make perfect sense. I wouldn't mind infinite memory, though.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
yOn Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> writes:
=20
Lighter???
=20
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX=
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within=20=
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was g=
iven advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.=20
OO! ROTFLMFA0!
OpenVMS may be written in about 8 different languages but I'm fairly sure
none are OO...except MAYBE the few C++ bits according to Wikipedia.
Mostly BLiss and Macro in the kernel. There's Fortran, Pascal, C and others
which were using in many libraries and utilities. The late Larry Kilgallen,
whose humor and wit I sincerely miss, wrote much of the security code in Ada.
Ada? I can imagine he does have an interesting sense of humour. ;)
Had. :(
Aww. :(
At one ZKO meeting, he and another fellow (I know his name but will elide
it from discussion here) had a battle of wits and I left, the room, as I
remember, in tears from laughter.
Explain further. ;)
FWIW, the SECURITY_SERVER in VMS is mostly Larry's handiwork.
Neat.
Back to the theme of this thread: Don't confuse the volume of source with
the efficiency of the code.
Exactly.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've just managed to break 'em even further!
$ mc authorize
%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image AUTHORIZE
-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file
MOIRA$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]AUTHORIZE.EXE;
-RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed
-SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded
I take it bytlm=0 isn't infinite?
Correct. You can not declare INFINITE BYTLM because non-page pool is not
infinite (nor is real memory, for that matter).
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I've just managed to break 'em even further!
$ mc authorize
%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image AUTHORIZE
-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file MOIRA$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]AUTHORIZE.EXE;
-RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed
-SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded
I take it bytlm=0 isn't infinite?
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
yOn Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> writes:
=20
Lighter???
=20
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX=
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within=20=
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was g=
iven advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.=20
OO! ROTFLMFA0!
OpenVMS may be written in about 8 different languages but I'm fairly sure
none are OO...except MAYBE the few C++ bits according to Wikipedia.
Mostly BLiss and Macro in the kernel. There's Fortran, Pascal, C and others
which were using in many libraries and utilities. The late Larry Kilgallen,
whose humor and wit I sincerely miss, wrote much of the security code in Ada.
Ada? I can imagine he does have an interesting sense of humour. ;)
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
yOn Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> writes:
=20
Lighter???
=20
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX=
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within=20=
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was g=
iven advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.=20
OO! ROTFLMFA0!
OpenVMS may be written in about 8 different languages but I'm fairly sure none are OO...except MAYBE the few C++ bits according to Wikipedia.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 10/06/2013 06:36 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
"Peter Lothberg, who is a networking expert,"
I'd say that's the understatement of the year. :)
Yes. That's like saying "Stephen Hawking occasionally dabbles in
science".
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
it's a common problem. my favorite statistic like this is the boot loader for the 3b2 (which ran a flavor sys v.3) is larger than the v6 and v7 kernels. shameful IMHO
that said while I agree the OSes can bloat my experience is that many of us are unwilling to go back to the same "old system" for anything in production use and unfortunately their is the additional problem is there is rarely an agreement among us as to which of those new features from the bloated ones are the required ones.
what I have seen work to a limited extend is to create a new system with learnings over time and try to inject a new stronger strain into the Eco system. this was what Culter was trying do with Mica for vms. but being able to carry old binaries gets very hard.
Clem
On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Lighter???
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was given advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.
Daniel
"Peter Lothberg, who is a networking expert,"
I'd say that's the understatement of the year. :)
-brian
On Oct 6, 2013, at 15:20, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That still leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
yOn Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Lighter???
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was given advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.
I think I have a copy or 3 of an image of 5.5 laying around.
Daniel
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Lighter???
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was given advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.
Daniel
Hello!
Indeed not. That's what we were discussing. And to obtain SDSL service
would require those new clean wires. And then I realized I should
stick with what I have for the moment.
Meanwhile the local-loop provider is still unhappy at allow a cage to
rented to the vendor for hardware to produce such a service and to
send it to me. I don't know (and don't want to know) how many other
customers they have in my area.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 22:12, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
And what service are you (putting up with) working with, or
subscribing to? Mine is a DSL service provider named Megapath. And
that's more or less what the good people there told me.
I guess you are not getting anywhere near 40 Gbit/s on that. Knowing Peter I
would not be surprised if that was symmetrical, in addition...
Johnny
AT&T's crappy (yet reliable) DSL service.
Incidentally what I am getting is fairly close to business class for
them. For what they consider to be business class it gets bumped up to
something resembling the WAN or wide area networking experiments.
(Visit their site for clues and things.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
In this country to have a static IP address over copper requires
practically new wiring from the Central Office to the Customer. And it
depends on the vendor.
No new wiring is needed here. I just need to pay them to migrate to
business class...that's the cost of the setup fee. $75 for them to push
buttons.
That came up about two to three years ago here, perhaps as late as last
year.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that
for the
same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That
still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years
ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet,
anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-10-06 22:12, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
And what service are you (putting up with) working with, or
subscribing to? Mine is a DSL service provider named Megapath. And
that's more or less what the good people there told me.
I guess you are not getting anywhere near 40 Gbit/s on that. Knowing Peter I would not be surprised if that was symmetrical, in addition...
Johnny
AT&T's crappy (yet reliable) DSL service.
Incidentally what I am getting is fairly close to business class for
them. For what they consider to be business class it gets bumped up to
something resembling the WAN or wide area networking experiments.
(Visit their site for clues and things.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
In this country to have a static IP address over copper requires
practically new wiring from the Central Office to the Customer. And it
depends on the vendor.
No new wiring is needed here. I just need to pay them to migrate to
business class...that's the cost of the setup fee. $75 for them to push
buttons.
That came up about two to three years ago here, perhaps as late as last
year.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that
for the
same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That
still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years
ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
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On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet,
anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
And what service are you (putting up with) working with, or
subscribing to? Mine is a DSL service provider named Megapath. And
that's more or less what the good people there told me.
AT&T's crappy (yet reliable) DSL service.
Incidentally what I am getting is fairly close to business class for
them. For what they consider to be business class it gets bumped up to
something resembling the WAN or wide area networking experiments.
(Visit their site for clues and things.)
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
In this country to have a static IP address over copper requires
practically new wiring from the Central Office to the Customer. And it
depends on the vendor.
No new wiring is needed here. I just need to pay them to migrate to
business class...that's the cost of the setup fee. $75 for them to push
buttons.
That came up about two to three years ago here, perhaps as late as last
year.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the
same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That
still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years
ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 2013-10-06 22:10, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 6 Oct 2013, at 21:11, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I think I've seen VT340s for something like $300-$500 approx. Refurbished. Less if just used.
That borderline doable - it's more than I've paid for most of DEC gear lol..
Saw a used VT340 on on ebay for $200 just a few days ago.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
