On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Oh.. I thought that somehow LAT was routable over DECnet. I thought I remember in the old days some remote sites just had a terminal server and a couple of terminals. Many beers ago.
You could, using bridging (which needs to be enabled at both ends of the link). Although, that is just yuck. I remember some absolutely horrendous examples of bridging in the old days.
So, I could go from the DECserver to my local vax, and then bounce out?
That's it.
Regards, Tim.
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:44, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Oh.. I thought that somehow LAT was routable over DECnet. I thought I remember in the old days some remote sites just had a terminal server and a couple of terminals. Many beers ago.
Maybe because BQT's bridge does LAT in addition to DECNET frames..
So, I could go from the DECserver to my local vax, and then bounce out?
Daniel.
Yeah, that's the way to go. I'm tempted to buy an ancient Nokia GSM phone, get a data number for it and a serial adapter, and plug it into my DS300..9600 bps dial up access, woo hoo!
Oh.. I thought that somehow LAT was routable over DECnet. I thought I remember in the old days some remote sites just had a terminal server and a couple of terminals. Many beers ago.
So, I could go from the DECserver to my local vax, and then bounce out?
Daniel.
On 08/10/2013, at 10:27 AM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:19, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
>
>> SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
>>
>
> A DECserver speaking DECnet? That'd be awesome to have. Mine (albeit awesome, and one of my favourite things) only speaks LAT. ;)
>
My DS300 does inbound Telnet as well as inbound/outbound LAT and serial :)
No DECNET as far as I know.
I don't recall a DECserver that talks DECnet. It is the wrong protocol for that type of communication. DECservers originally only spoke LAT, which was developed specifically for local area communications (which it does very well).
Regards, Tim.
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:35, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
You can set RWE for world set on the directory by default, but have a script periodically set all files to w:RE only. There's probably a better way to do it, though.
OK, I've set it up.
The HECnet "intranet" read/write repository can be found on CHIMPY::[.DROPBOX].
Feel free to copy anything there that you think might be of interest to other HECnetters.
sampsa
As the files are periodically not secured as W:RE, please guys, try to behave :)
Tragedy of the Commons and all that. If this service leads to abuse and/or
fighting about its use I'll just take it down :)
Sampsa
Just a suggestion. Why not have TWO directories?
(a) WRITE ONLY - anyone can send files to it - normally named: INCOMING
(b) READ ONLY - anyone can read any file
Just in case, you can (probably should) monitor
what is added to (a), then copy it over to (b)
ONLY after it is checked. Having (a) which
only you can look at (you might allow the contents
to be displayed, but I would not recommend it)
provides much better security. I also suggest that
for any file larger that 10 MB, an MD5 checksum
also be sent so you can verify the large file was
sent correctly.
I thought of doing this, but it requires manual intervention, delays etc. so I decided to go with the on directory approach, with the expectation that people on HECnet are reasonably responsible.
If there is a huge amount of abuse / corrupted files I'll rethink the strategy.
Thanks for the tip though.
You can set RWE for world set on the directory by default, but have a script periodically set all files to w:RE only. There's probably a better way to do it, though.
OK, I've set it up.
The HECnet "intranet" read/write repository can be found on CHIMPY::[.DROPBOX].
Feel free to copy anything there that you think might be of interest to other HECnetters.
sampsa
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 01:52, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Do we have an intranet site only accessible via DECnet? I dont put any (much) personal information on the net.
Daniel.
That's what I'm trying to do with the "Dropbox" on CHIMPY:: - anyone can add or view files, but not delete or edit them. Just not sure what the correct security setting for the directory should be...
Is this type of security option on a dir possible? I can't figure out how to set it up, but somebody amongst you gurus must know :)
You can set RWE for world set on the directory by default, but have a script periodically set all files to w:RE only. There's probably a better way to do it, though.
That sounds pretty, well, yuck.
Not that I have given it much thought you would likely be able to achieve this sort of environment using ACLs. I recommend checking out the VMS security manual.
Regards, Tim.
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:19, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
>
>> SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
>>
>
> A DECserver speaking DECnet? That'd be awesome to have. Mine (albeit awesome, and one of my favourite things) only speaks LAT. ;)
>
My DS300 does inbound Telnet as well as inbound/outbound LAT and serial :)
No DECNET as far as I know.
I don't recall a DECserver that talks DECnet. It is the wrong protocol for that type of communication. DECservers originally only spoke LAT, which was developed specifically for local area communications (which it does very well).
Regards, Tim.
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:19, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
A DECserver speaking DECnet? That'd be awesome to have. Mine (albeit awesome, and one of my favourite things) only speaks LAT. ;)
My DS300 does inbound Telnet as well as inbound/outbound LAT and serial :)
No DECNET as far as I know.
Sampsa
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 01:52, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Do we have an intranet site only accessible via DECnet? I dont put any (much) personal information on the net.
Daniel.
That's what I'm trying to do with the "Dropbox" on CHIMPY:: - anyone can add or view files, but not delete or edit them. Just not sure what the correct security setting for the directory should be...
Is this type of security option on a dir possible? I can't figure out how to set it up, but somebody amongst you gurus must know :)
You can set RWE for world set on the directory by default, but have a script periodically set all files to w:RE only. There's probably a better way to do it, though.
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
A DECserver speaking DECnet? That'd be awesome to have. Mine (albeit awesome, and one of my favourite things) only speaks LAT. ;)
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Oct 2013, at 6:04 am, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 7 Oct 2013, at 23:27, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Brian,
Any news / progress on the EISNER project?
No news. Hopefully, that trasnlates to good news.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Cool. Pretty excited about the prospect myself.
Sampsa
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On 8 Oct 2013, at 01:52, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Do we have an intranet site only accessible via DECnet? I dont put any (much) personal information on the net.
Daniel.
That's what I'm trying to do with the "Dropbox" on CHIMPY:: - anyone can add or view files, but not delete or edit them. Just not sure what the correct security setting for the directory should be...
Is this type of security option on a dir possible? I can't figure out how to set it up, but somebody amongst you gurus must know :)
On 8 Oct 2013, at 03:47, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
I like the idea of being able to mail and phone users from HECnet to EISNER,
EISNER::LAINE_SA just becomes a lot more meaningful :)
Sampsa
SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Oct 2013, at 6:04 am, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 7 Oct 2013, at 23:27, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Brian,
Any news / progress on the EISNER project?
No news. Hopefully, that trasnlates to good news.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Cool. Pretty excited about the prospect myself.
Sampsa
Do we have an intranet site only accessible via DECnet? I dont put any (much) personal information on the net.
Daniel.
That's what I'm trying to do with the "Dropbox" on CHIMPY:: - anyone can add or view files, but not delete or edit them. Just not sure what the correct security setting for the directory should be...
Sampsa
Hello!
Yes.
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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Got this from the retrolist. His name is Guy mailto:ggs at shiresoft.com
BTW, there's still stuff to be claimed before it goes to be scrapped
including a lot of uVAXen (including a VAX 4000/700 I just unearthed today),
uPDP-11s, 11/34s, 11/44s, a Sun 4/110, DEC Rainbows and a DEC Robin that I
"discovered". The final weekend for picking this stuff up is 10/19 and
10/20. I'm taking the final load up on 10/26. Anything after that will be
scrapped the following week (there's some exceptions for folks that are
picking up/shipping some *big* stuff...they know who they are and don't have
to panic). So if anyone wants anything let me know (no I won't ship
anything...it defeats the purpose).
TTFN - Guy
Regards,
Daniel,
Sent from my iPad
It's a shame he's in CA and I don't know anyone there willing to ship in the
area. :(
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http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Got this from the retrolist. His name is Guy mailto:ggs at shiresoft.com
BTW, there's still stuff to be claimed before it goes to be scrapped including a lot of uVAXen (including a VAX 4000/700 I just unearthed today), uPDP-11s, 11/34s, 11/44s, a Sun 4/110, DEC Rainbows and a DEC Robin that I "discovered". The final weekend for picking this stuff up is 10/19 and 10/20. I'm taking the final load up on 10/26. Anything after that will be scrapped the following week (there's some exceptions for folks that are picking up/shipping some *big* stuff...they know who they are and don't have to panic). So if anyone wants anything let me know (no I won't ship anything...it defeats the purpose).
TTFN - Guy
Regards,
Daniel,
Sent from my iPad
It's a shame he's in CA and I don't know anyone there willing to ship in the area. :(
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Got this from the retrolist. His name is Guy mailto:ggs at shiresoft.com
BTW, there's still stuff to be claimed before it goes to be scrapped including a lot of uVAXen (including a VAX 4000/700 I just unearthed today), uPDP-11s, 11/34s, 11/44s, a Sun 4/110, DEC Rainbows and a DEC Robin that I "discovered". The final weekend for picking this stuff up is 10/19 and 10/20. I'm taking the final load up on 10/26. Anything after that will be scrapped the following week (there's some exceptions for folks that are picking up/shipping some *big* stuff...they know who they are and don't have to panic). So if anyone wants anything let me know (no I won't ship anything...it defeats the purpose).
TTFN - Guy
Regards,
Daniel,
Sent from my iPad
Yeah, and unlike most peoples online photos, that one is fairly recent! It's actually a passport photo. No smiling allowed. I do smile occasionally, when my extended family isn't making my life hell ;)
I was thinking a page with photos of hecnetters might be a good idea. I could easily be persuaded otherwise
Do we have an intranet site only accessible via DECnet? I dont put any (much) personal information on the net.
Daniel.
What would be the correct security settings for a directory that:
- Allows anyone to add a file
- Anyone can read any file
- Nobody can delete, edit or replace existing files.
Thinking of setting this up on CHIMPY for people to store nifty stuff they find.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Rok Vidmar wrote:
That doesn't list VAX support
True. My bad. Sorry.
No Alpha in cluster? That's why I love cluster.
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Regards, Rok
If my Alpha didn't pull 700W i'd happily drop it in to a cluster. ;)
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On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Rok Vidmar wrote:
Fighting with having no compilers as valid commands
despite having them installed is the only problem now.
Get <http://www.digiater.nl/dfu.html> and use it to search
for newest DCLTABLES.EXE and copy it to
SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]
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Regards, Rok
That doesn't list VAX support
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Fighting with having no compilers as valid commands
despite having them installed is the only problem now.
Get <http://www.digiater.nl/dfu.html> and use it to search
for newest DCLTABLES.EXE and copy it to
SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]
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Regards, Rok
