On 10/10/2013 04:51 PM, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
Is there a collection of 'standard' games for VMS (VAX or AXP) =
downloadable from somewhere?
What I'm referring to is something like the 'bsdgames' package available =
on most Linux distros..
VMS, as well as the hardware it runs on, was a relatively expensive in its
day. VMS systems were NOT purchased for games play. There are games that
were produced and submitted to DECUS, but there's never been any definitive
packaging thereof.
Then again, CDC Cyber systems are *way* more expensive than any VAX, and nevertheless much of the innovation in games (especially role playing games and multi-user interactive games) was done there.
(Read up on "PLATO" for the details.)
Very true, but to be fair, PLATO was a teaching system, aimed (mostly) at
children.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/10/2013 04:39 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
VMS, as well as the hardware it runs on, was a relatively expensive in its
day. VMS systems were NOT purchased for games play. There are games that
were produced and submitted to DECUS, but there's never been any definitive
packaging thereof.
Check the DECUSlib.COM site for games.
I'm aware of that but people still liked to have fun when management wasn't watching :)
Not as much as one might think in that world, in most environments.
There's even games on z/OS I think...
A few, yes. But it certainly isn't the whole "oh yes, and it's a computer
too, but we never use it for that" attitude like most 1980s eight-bitters.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 10 Oct 2013, at 22:53, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Then again, CDC Cyber systems are *way* more expensive than any VAX, and nevertheless much of the innovation in games (especially role playing games and multi-user interactive games) was done there.
(Read up on "PLATO" for the details.)
Oh I signed up for an account on the Internet accessible PLATO, but haven't heard back from them. Awesome system though.
This looks like it could be fun: http://decuslib.com/freeware/freewarev10/flight/
It runs over DECNET and would let us shoot each other down. Who's in?
I wrote a couple, like Mastermind, naval battle and a word guessing game (lingo, after a tv quiz), for my kids.
Written in Pascal, for Dutch speaking users.
I have Canfield (Klondike) running on eisner.
Hans
Van: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Verzonden: donderdag 10 oktober 2013 22:37
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: RE: [HECnet] VMS games?
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
>Is there a collection of 'standard' games for VMS (VAX or AXP) =
>downloadable from somewhere?
>
>What I'm referring to is something like the 'bsdgames' package available =
>on most Linux distros..
VMS, as well as the hardware it runs on, was a relatively expensive in its
day. VMS systems were NOT purchased for games play. There are games that
were produced and submitted to DECUS, but there's never been any definitive
packaging thereof.
Check the DECUSlib.COM site for games.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Then again, CDC Cyber systems are *way* more expensive than any VAX, and nevertheless much of the innovation in games (especially role playing games and multi-user interactive games) was done there.
(Read up on "PLATO" for the details.)
Oh I signed up for an account on the Internet accessible PLATO, but haven't heard back from them. Awesome system though.
On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:37 PM, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Is there a collection of 'standard' games for VMS (VAX or AXP) =
downloadable from somewhere?
What I'm referring to is something like the 'bsdgames' package available =
on most Linux distros..
VMS, as well as the hardware it runs on, was a relatively expensive in its
day. VMS systems were NOT purchased for games play. There are games that
were produced and submitted to DECUS, but there's never been any definitive
packaging thereof.
Then again, CDC Cyber systems are *way* more expensive than any VAX, and nevertheless much of the innovation in games (especially role playing games and multi-user interactive games) was done there.
(Read up on "PLATO" for the details.)
paul
VMS, as well as the hardware it runs on, was a relatively expensive in its
day. VMS systems were NOT purchased for games play. There are games that
were produced and submitted to DECUS, but there's never been any definitive
packaging thereof.
Check the DECUSlib.COM site for games.
I'm aware of that but people still liked to have fun when management wasn't watching :)
There's even games on z/OS I think...
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Is there a collection of 'standard' games for VMS (VAX or AXP) =
downloadable from somewhere?
What I'm referring to is something like the 'bsdgames' package available =
on most Linux distros..
VMS, as well as the hardware it runs on, was a relatively expensive in its
day. VMS systems were NOT purchased for games play. There are games that
were produced and submitted to DECUS, but there's never been any definitive
packaging thereof.
Check the DECUSlib.COM site for games.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On Oct 10, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
I have limited the number of systems I have due to using a small pool: female names starting with M.
I still think Mulva is a legitimate choice for you :)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mulva
Ian
Is there a collection of 'standard' games for VMS (VAX or AXP) downloadable from somewhere?
What I'm referring to is something like the 'bsdgames' package available on most Linux distros..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 10/10/2013 03:47 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Hey, more power to you, man! It sounds good to me. And it's very
different from how such things typically work in this country.
Niche product, requires a crapload of expensive training (that I got free as I was working at the company who built the product) tons of new installations an each one requires a lot PS time to integrate it into the customer's infra.
So there's maybe 3-5 vacancies per freelancer looking for a gig :)
Nice. :-) Is this why you like moving to places where angels fear to
tread? ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hey, more power to you, man! It sounds good to me. And it's very
different from how such things typically work in this country.
Niche product, requires a crapload of expensive training (that I got free as I was working at the company who built the product) tons of new installations an each one requires a lot PS time to integrate it into the customer's infra.
So there's maybe 3-5 vacancies per freelancer looking for a gig :)
Sampsa
On 10/10/2013 03:37 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Corporate/boring. But more specifically, nonproductive. It's all
about keeping the money machine grinding forward. Actually
delivering a finished product is the worst thing that happens in
that world, because they can no longer bill for it. The contract
administrator (typically military, sometimes civilian) comes to
inspect the "progress", gives a smile and a wink, drives away in a
new BMW, and goes back to his office to fill out the report that
"everything is going fine, but there's been a minor cost
overrun..."
I hate to say it but professional services for a very expensive
security product is how I make my money :)
It's wrong on so many levels but affords me a great life style..
Hey, more power to you, man! It sounds good to me. And it's very
different from how such things typically work in this country.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Corporate/boring. But more specifically, nonproductive. It's all
about keeping the money machine grinding forward. Actually delivering a
finished product is the worst thing that happens in that world, because
they can no longer bill for it. The contract administrator (typically
military, sometimes civilian) comes to inspect the "progress", gives a
smile and a wink, drives away in a new BMW, and goes back to his office
to fill out the report that "everything is going fine, but there's been
a minor cost overrun..."
I hate to say it but professional services for a very expensive security product is how I make my money :)
It's wrong on so many levels but affords me a great life style..
sampsa
On 10/10/2013 03:03 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I've had limited success with IDE/CF adapters, but there's nothing that
says that shouldn't work. It may not work well, but it should, well, ok,
MIGHT work. :)
Interesting. CF *is* IDE, just a different connector.
That's what I understood as well. That being said, I have an IDE/CF
adapter here that would regularly KP an OpenBSD box I was trying to run
off of a CF card in it. Got a different one and no longer had that
problem.
It might be a simple problem to solve, but obviously there are people
who are unable to solve it correctly. :)
That sounds like an OpenBSD issue to me. The interfaces are indeed
identical (I've designed stuff to talk to them at the raw logic level),
the only differences are the connector and the requirement that CF
implement the 8-bit transfer mode. It's optional on IDE.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
If you a classic Amiga (3.9?) running on HECNET I want to know how so I can add my Amiga 4000 too :)
Eventually I'll try to get my Amiga 4000 on there but I'll start with a Powerbook G4 running Morphos - it's basically AmigaOS 3.1. The UUCP setup should be pretty close to a real Amiga.
That'd be interesting.
Also: update MOIRA to moira...4.3BSD was picky about caps.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 06:59:00PM +0000, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
I've had limited success with IDE/CF adapters, but there's nothing that
says that shouldn't work. It may not work well, but it should, well, ok,
MIGHT work. :)
Interesting. CF *is* IDE, just a different connector.
That's what I understood as well. That being said, I have an IDE/CF
adapter here that would regularly KP an OpenBSD box I was trying to run
off of a CF card in it. Got a different one and no longer had that
problem.
It might be a simple problem to solve, but obviously there are people
who are unable to solve it correctly. :)
-brian
On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 07:11:54PM +0100, Mark Benson wrote:
On 10 Oct 2013, at 08:17, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Has anyone tries this? Running my Vaxstation non-stop reminds me how much noise these old drives make.
Has anyone tried SSD drives? Must be good for the PSU it terms of heat and current draw.
This set me off thinking. I have a CF to IDE adapter (40-pin + floppy power, not 44-pin) somewhere and a SCSIDE adapter. I wonder if I could Solid-State my VS4000/60 with a 2GB CF card :)
I've had limited success with IDE/CF adapters, but there's nothing that
says that shouldn't work. It may not work well, but it should, well, ok,
MIGHT work. :)
Interesting. CF *is* IDE, just a different connector.
paul
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 07:11:54PM +0100, Mark Benson wrote:
On 10 Oct 2013, at 08:17, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Has anyone tries this? Running my Vaxstation non-stop reminds me how much noise these old drives make.
Has anyone tried SSD drives? Must be good for the PSU it terms of heat and current draw.
This set me off thinking. I have a CF to IDE adapter (40-pin + floppy power, not 44-pin) somewhere and a SCSIDE adapter. I wonder if I could Solid-State my VS4000/60 with a 2GB CF card :)
I've had limited success with IDE/CF adapters, but there's nothing that
says that shouldn't work. It may not work well, but it should, well, ok,
MIGHT work. :)
-brian
On 10/10/2013 02:12 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
There are very few people in the industry HERE who would even know
what "an nmap scan" is, much less how or why to run one.
Oh really? By now I thought even non-security people were using it
for network analysis etc..
They are. But we're talking about US defense contractors. They are
primarily "golf" people.
I worked in that industry twenty years ago. It was bad then. In
the past few weeks I've had a lot of contact with it due to a new
contract, and much to my horror, I've found that it has become far,
far worse.
Worse as in more corporate / boring or worse as in the attacks are
just getting out of control?
Corporate/boring. But more specifically, nonproductive. It's all
about keeping the money machine grinding forward. Actually delivering a
finished product is the worst thing that happens in that world, because
they can no longer bill for it. The contract administrator (typically
military, sometimes civilian) comes to inspect the "progress", gives a
smile and a wink, drives away in a new BMW, and goes back to his office
to fill out the report that "everything is going fine, but there's been
a minor cost overrun..."
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Perhaps I made a few improvements!
The buttons load a real sixel file instead of a Javascript string.
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/sg.html
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 10:17:28PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I meant in a browser, so you'd have a script that you can call to display SIXEL images
stored on a server, like <IMG> tags but using JS function calls instead :)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 9 Oct 2013, at 22:15, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
I use SpiderMonkey for stand-alone Javascript - adding a ppm output
function would not be difficult!
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 10:12:36PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
A JS library that could display SIXEL images would be pretty awesome though :)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 9 Oct 2013, at 22:11, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
With a little effort, I could write a tool to convert sixel to ppm...
Perhaps in C, so that it would work as a foreign command under VMS.
A plugin would be more difficult...
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 07:32:48PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That's awesome!
I wonder if we could turn this into a SIXEL decoding plugin for websites somehow..
So you could have a whole bunch of SIXEL images on a website, an INDEX.HTML that imports this javascript and then displays the images?
Because I haven't found any utilities to convert images FROM sixel to other formats, just one to convert netpbm -> sixel.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 9 Oct 2013, at 19:28, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
At http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/sg.html
type
js> load('monkey.js')
js> display(s$)
It needs 'continue script' once or twice.
:)
Erik
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 04:06:36PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 16:03, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi all,
For those interested in Sixels, I ported the code (quick and dirty)
from ftp://ftp.cs.utk.edu/pub/shuford/terminal/all_about_sixels.txt
to Javascript and combined it with Flot and a JQuery terminal:
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/sg.html
You then get a Javascript terminal, with a display function; some examples:
js> example$
js> display(example$)
js> display(Array(5).join('CA at ACGOG'))
js> display('HECNET')
and
js> display(digital$)
Considering the run time to display the latter image, photos should
perhaps not be too detailed...
Cool - any change you could add my logo (B&W picture of angry monkey from Family Guy)?
That would totally make my day.
On 10 Oct 2013, at 19:14, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
If you a classic Amiga (3.9?) running on HECNET I want to know how so I can add my Amiga 4000 too :)
Eventually I'll try to get my Amiga 4000 on there but I'll start with a Powerbook G4 running Morphos - it's basically AmigaOS 3.1. The UUCP setup should be pretty close to a real Amiga.
The biggest difference is the CPU architecture. My Amiga 4000 is 68k.
--
Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
HECnet: STAR69::MARK
Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/10/2013 01:59 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
It's intended to point out that a lot of modern CompSci students can't
quite think outside the box...only by what the book, GitHub, Ruby
conferences, and their elitist communities tell them.
If the situation really has become that good, I applaud it. Just a
few short years ago, most modern "CompSci" students answer any question
with a list of Microsoft products available for purchase.
-Dave
The question was only answered correctly by a small few CompSci students. All the others were either really talented programmers, or people who hate CompSci.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
If you a classic Amiga (3.9?) running on HECNET I want to know how so I can add my Amiga 4000 too :)
Eventually I'll try to get my Amiga 4000 on there but I'll start with a Powerbook G4 running Morphos - it's basically AmigaOS 3.1. The UUCP setup should be pretty close to a real Amiga.
