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by snaggs＠mac.com

I'm getting some sockets put in, and wanted to add a mmj compatible jack. Does anyone know a source for this? Regards, Daniel. Sent from my iPad

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by e.olofsen＠xs4all.nl

Hypermail with swiss-e looks very nice! But, it does not seem like a solution in a DEC setting... On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:51:45PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote: Found something and it's open source! I might try to get this running in the next few days.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:42, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: BTW, does anyone want the archive split into individual messages, i.e. one message / file? Does VMS even support 12,000+ files in one directory? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:27, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If I remembered any SQL and my HTML knowledge was more than <blink>, <marquee>, and <a> i'd make it web-accessible. There has to be something where we can just import the messages and has a browse/search function. Sticking all this in an SQL database would be pretty simple with an ORM + Python, but I hate writing web front ends. sampsa

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by sampsa＠mac.com

I ran a SEARCH and it wasn't too bad.. Might try a DIR or something next - I wonder what a DIR or SEARCH over DECNET would do :) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 13 Oct 2013, at 00:52, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: So, the questions is - Does VMS support 12,000+ files in one directory? How responsive is it? Ian On Oct 12, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I found a converter to turn the single mbox file into 12,000+ .EML (==plain ASCII) files. They're now up on the dropbox: CHIMPY:[.DROPBOX.LIST-EML] Individual file for each archived message here. CHIMPY:[.DROPBOX]HECNETLIST-EML.ZIP The whole lot zipped up Hope somebody finds some use for these :) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:42, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: BTW, does anyone want the archive split into individual messages, i.e. one message / file? Does VMS even support 12,000+ files in one directory? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:27, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If I remembered any SQL and my HTML knowledge was more than <blink>, <marquee>, and <a> i'd make it web-accessible. There has to be something where we can just import the messages and has a browse/search function. Sticking all this in an SQL database would be pretty simple with an ORM + Python, but I hate writing web front ends. sampsa --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=DECD9C68339011E3A…

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by ian＠platinum.net

So, the questions is - Does VMS support 12,000+ files in one directory? How responsive is it? Ian On Oct 12, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I found a converter to turn the single mbox file into 12,000+ .EML (==plain ASCII) files. They're now up on the dropbox: CHIMPY:[.DROPBOX.LIST-EML] Individual file for each archived message here. CHIMPY:[.DROPBOX]HECNETLIST-EML.ZIP The whole lot zipped up Hope somebody finds some use for these :) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:42, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: BTW, does anyone want the archive split into individual messages, i.e. one message / file? Does VMS even support 12,000+ files in one directory? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:27, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If I remembered any SQL and my HTML knowledge was more than <blink>, <marquee>, and <a> i'd make it web-accessible. There has to be something where we can just import the messages and has a browse/search function. Sticking all this in an SQL database would be pretty simple with an ORM + Python, but I hate writing web front ends. sampsa --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=DECD9C68339011E3A…

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by sampsa＠mac.com

I found a converter to turn the single mbox file into 12,000+ .EML (==plain ASCII) files. They're now up on the dropbox: CHIMPY:[.DROPBOX.LIST-EML] Individual file for each archived message here. CHIMPY:[.DROPBOX]HECNETLIST-EML.ZIP The whole lot zipped up Hope somebody finds some use for these :) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:42, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: BTW, does anyone want the archive split into individual messages, i.e. one message / file? Does VMS even support 12,000+ files in one directory? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:27, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If I remembered any SQL and my HTML knowledge was more than <blink>, <marquee>, and <a> i'd make it web-accessible. There has to be something where we can just import the messages and has a browse/search function. Sticking all this in an SQL database would be pretty simple with an ORM + Python, but I hate writing web front ends. sampsa

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Found something and it's open source! I might try to get this running in the next few days.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:42, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: BTW, does anyone want the archive split into individual messages, i.e. one message / file? Does VMS even support 12,000+ files in one directory? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:27, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If I remembered any SQL and my HTML knowledge was more than <blink>, <marquee>, and <a> i'd make it web-accessible. There has to be something where we can just import the messages and has a browse/search function. Sticking all this in an SQL database would be pretty simple with an ORM + Python, but I hate writing web front ends. sampsa

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by sampsa＠mac.com

BTW, does anyone want the archive split into individual messages, i.e. one message / file? Does VMS even support 12,000+ files in one directory? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 23:27, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If I remembered any SQL and my HTML knowledge was more than <blink>, <marquee>, and <a> i'd make it web-accessible. There has to be something where we can just import the messages and has a browse/search function. Sticking all this in an SQL database would be pretty simple with an ORM + Python, but I hate writing web front ends. sampsa

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HECnet mailing list archive?

by sampsa＠mac.com

If I remembered any SQL and my HTML knowledge was more than <blink>, <marquee>, and <a> i'd make it web-accessible. There has to be something where we can just import the messages and has a browse/search function. Sticking all this in an SQL database would be pretty simple with an ORM + Python, but I hate writing web front ends. sampsa

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by b4＠gewt.net

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 12 Oct 2013, at 22:02, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote: On RULLFS:: I put a simple pm.awk script that makes a list of topics, with the first author and the date the discussion started. The output is also there as topics.txt, with apparently 1057 topics. Erik This is what I love about HECnet, the speed with which ideas turn into actions :) If I remembered any SQL and my HTML knowledge was more than <blink>, <marquee>, and <a> i'd make it web-accessible. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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by sampsa＠mac.com

On 12 Oct 2013, at 22:02, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote: On RULLFS:: I put a simple pm.awk script that makes a list of topics, with the first author and the date the discussion started. The output is also there as topics.txt, with apparently 1057 topics. Erik This is what I love about HECnet, the speed with which ideas turn into actions :)

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by e.olofsen＠xs4all.nl

On RULLFS:: I put a simple pm.awk script that makes a list of topics, with the first author and the date the discussion started. The output is also there as topics.txt, with apparently 1057 topics. Erik On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 06:15:38PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote: I've also put the archive up on CHIMPY::[.DROPBOX]HECLIST.TXT (there's also a compressed version, HECLIST.ZIP) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:44, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: And for those of you who don't want to register accounts, you can now log on to PYFFLE:: as GUEST, password hecnet. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:36, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Well the quick-and-crappy solution is now up on PYFFLE:: (sometimes telnet to hq.pyffle.com can be faster). Log in, type HECSEARCH and you'll find yourself looking at a HUGE mailbox using 'less'.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:17, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: How about for now I just make one big searchable file (Mail.app exports the mailbox as one huge text file), accessible through PYFFLE::? Basically, it'll run 'less' and you can scroll the mails and search them etc. That could be up in 20 mins :) Then I'll start thinking about a proper way to do it. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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Stuck on a dynamic IP but want to run the bridge? I've got a solution

by b4＠gewt.net

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: I don't have an actual number but it's almost unnoticeable on a 2 mbps and up link, it's never caused me an issue at least, even when running HECnet over 3G UMTS :) BQT might have more specifics.. I'm fairly sure it could fit okay at a dialup link. ;) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 18:44, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Side question : how much bandwidth does HECnet claim for its housekeeping traffic (hello messages, routing updates etc)? ? Van: Sampsa Laine Verzonden: zaterdag 12 oktober 2013 10:11 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Stuck on a dynamic IP but want to run the bridge? I've got a solution Basically my network in Hila's Internet connection is a HSUPA cellular router (relatively fast 15/6mbps or so) but the operator does not give me a static IP. So I decided to VPN into my network in London, assign each VPN account a specific static IP and run the bridge over the VPN. It's been working great for about a year now - so anybody who needs a bridge connection and can run pppd is welcome to link up with me. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Stuck on a dynamic IP but want to run the bridge? I've got a solution

by sampsa＠mac.com

I don't have an actual number but it's almost unnoticeable on a 2 mbps and up link, it's never caused me an issue at least, even when running HECnet over 3G UMTS :) BQT might have more specifics.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 18:44, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Side question : how much bandwidth does HECnet claim for its housekeeping traffic (hello messages, routing updates etc)? Van: Sampsa Laine Verzonden: zaterdag 12 oktober 2013 10:11 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Stuck on a dynamic IP but want to run the bridge? I've got a solution Basically my network in Hila's Internet connection is a HSUPA cellular router (relatively fast 15/6mbps or so) but the operator does not give me a static IP. So I decided to VPN into my network in London, assign each VPN account a specific static IP and run the bridge over the VPN. It's been working great for about a year now - so anybody who needs a bridge connection and can run pppd is welcome to link up with me. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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Stuck on a dynamic IP but want to run the bridge? I've got a solution

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Side question : how much bandwidth does HECnet claim for its housekeeping traffic (hello messages, routing updates etc)? Van: Sampsa Laine Verzonden: zaterdag 12 oktober 2013 10:11 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Stuck on a dynamic IP but want to run the bridge? I've got a solution Basically my network in Hila's Internet connection is a HSUPA cellular router (relatively fast 15/6mbps or so) but the operator does not give me a static IP. So I decided to VPN into my network in London, assign each VPN account a specific static IP and run the bridge over the VPN. It's been working great for about a year now - so anybody who needs a bridge connection and can run pppd is welcome to link up with me. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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HECnet mailing list archive?

by sampsa＠mac.com

I've also put the archive up on CHIMPY::[.DROPBOX]HECLIST.TXT (there's also a compressed version, HECLIST.ZIP) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:44, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: And for those of you who don't want to register accounts, you can now log on to PYFFLE:: as GUEST, password hecnet. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:36, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Well the quick-and-crappy solution is now up on PYFFLE:: (sometimes telnet to hq.pyffle.com can be faster). Log in, type HECSEARCH and you'll find yourself looking at a HUGE mailbox using 'less'.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:17, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: How about for now I just make one big searchable file (Mail.app exports the mailbox as one huge text file), accessible through PYFFLE::? Basically, it'll run 'less' and you can scroll the mails and search them etc. That could be up in 20 mins :) Then I'll start thinking about a proper way to do it. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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HECnet mailing list archive?

by sampsa＠mac.com

And for those of you who don't want to register accounts, you can now log on to PYFFLE:: as GUEST, password hecnet. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:36, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Well the quick-and-crappy solution is now up on PYFFLE:: (sometimes telnet to hq.pyffle.com can be faster). Log in, type HECSEARCH and you'll find yourself looking at a HUGE mailbox using 'less'.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:17, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: How about for now I just make one big searchable file (Mail.app exports the mailbox as one huge text file), accessible through PYFFLE::? Basically, it'll run 'less' and you can scroll the mails and search them etc. That could be up in 20 mins :) Then I'll start thinking about a proper way to do it. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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HECnet mailing list archive?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Well the quick-and-crappy solution is now up on PYFFLE:: (sometimes telnet to hq.pyffle.com can be faster). Log in, type HECSEARCH and you'll find yourself looking at a HUGE mailbox using 'less'.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:17, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: How about for now I just make one big searchable file (Mail.app exports the mailbox as one huge text file), accessible through PYFFLE::? Basically, it'll run 'less' and you can scroll the mails and search them etc. That could be up in 20 mins :) Then I'll start thinking about a proper way to do it. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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HECnet mailing list archive?

by sampsa＠mac.com

How about for now I just make one big searchable file (Mail.app exports the mailbox as one huge text file), accessible through PYFFLE::? Basically, it'll run 'less' and you can scroll the mails and search them etc. That could be up in 20 mins :) Then I'll start thinking about a proper way to do it. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 12 Oct 2013, at 17:14, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-12 17:11, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I just realised that I've pretty much NEVER deleted any message from this list, and my Mail client says I have about 12,000 of them since dated back to March 2008. You guys think it might be an idea to export these in some format and make them searchable? Can I say put 12,000 text files on CHIMPY and let people use the SEARCH command to look for specific keywords (i.e. will the performance be reasonable)? Alternatively, I suppose I could build some quick web app for browsing/searching the mails (authenticated of course, don't want the whole world to see our list). Any ideas? It's something similar that I had in mind to do at some point. My only "problem" is that I also keep some "private" mails related to HECnet in the same folder, so I should sort that out. I have something close to 16.000 mails in my archive. I think it would be nice if you did something, but I have no clear idea how it should be done. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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HECnet mailing list archive?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-10-12 17:11, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I just realised that I've pretty much NEVER deleted any message from this list, and my Mail client says I have about 12,000 of them since dated back to March 2008. You guys think it might be an idea to export these in some format and make them searchable? Can I say put 12,000 text files on CHIMPY and let people use the SEARCH command to look for specific keywords (i.e. will the performance be reasonable)? Alternatively, I suppose I could build some quick web app for browsing/searching the mails (authenticated of course, don't want the whole world to see our list). Any ideas? It's something similar that I had in mind to do at some point. My only "problem" is that I also keep some "private" mails related to HECnet in the same folder, so I should sort that out. I have something close to 16.000 mails in my archive. I think it would be nice if you did something, but I have no clear idea how it should be done. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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HECnet mailing list archive?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Guys, I just realised that I've pretty much NEVER deleted any message from this list, and my Mail client says I have about 12,000 of them since dated back to March 2008. You guys think it might be an idea to export these in some format and make them searchable? Can I say put 12,000 text files on CHIMPY and let people use the SEARCH command to look for specific keywords (i.e. will the performance be reasonable)? Alternatively, I suppose I could build some quick web app for browsing/searching the mails (authenticated of course, don't want the whole world to see our list). Any ideas? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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Stuck on a dynamic IP but want to run the bridge? I've got a solution

by sampsa＠mac.com

Basically my network in Hila's Internet connection is a HSUPA cellular router (relatively fast 15/6mbps or so) but the operator does not give me a static IP. So I decided to VPN into my network in London, assign each VPN account a specific static IP and run the bridge over the VPN. It's been working great for about a year now - so anybody who needs a bridge connection and can run pppd is welcome to link up with me. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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SSD for Vax

by clemc＠ccc.com

it was left over from a silliness when IBM wrote the bios roms on the AT. they packed h:c:s codes in two 16 bit integers. in thoses days a 5.25 st-506 drive maxed out at 20M. dec is using 19" SMD technology that are maxing in 500M range at the same time. PC technology used to take lots of short cuts like that and the folks were proud of it because they had not experienced anything like dec or the mainframe for that matter remember the 8" floppy was invented by IBM as a way to store and load the microcode on the original Winchester (aka 3030) disk the PC guys take it and use it as a storage device. On Oct 11, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! Why did the early PeeCees wear 528 Megabyte drives as their largest drives? (This despite the fact that to use it, the early operating systems would also be size confused.) The BIOS the computers wear was problematic. In this case Cory is right, lack of determination. Plus other things. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/11/2013 02:13 AM, Mark Benson wrote: http://www.artmix.com/SATA_SCSI_AZMN_II_1.html This adapter is available on ebay for $149 and he says they work well in Vaxstations. He also has some which take CF flash cards. Which is great, but again you run in to the snag that I've never seen a SATA disk smaller than 40GB and the upper size limit on a VAXstation is typically 18GB. Somewhat problematic. I have 2 20G laptop SCSI drives... WHY does this keep coming up? There is no such limitation! Lack of determination. -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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SSD for Vax

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Why did the early PeeCees wear 528 Megabyte drives as their largest drives? (This despite the fact that to use it, the early operating systems would also be size confused.) The BIOS the computers wear was problematic. In this case Cory is right, lack of determination. Plus other things. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/11/2013 02:13 AM, Mark Benson wrote: http://www.artmix.com/SATA_SCSI_AZMN_II_1.html This adapter is available on ebay for $149 and he says they work well in Vaxstations. He also has some which take CF flash cards. Which is great, but again you run in to the snag that I've never seen a SATA disk smaller than 40GB and the upper size limit on a VAXstation is typically 18GB. Somewhat problematic. I have 2 20G laptop SCSI drives... WHY does this keep coming up? There is no such limitation! Lack of determination. -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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SSD for Vax

by md.benson＠gmail.com

On 11 Oct 2013, at 20:59, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote: On 11/10/2013 20:54, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: WHY does this keep coming up? There is no such limitation! I'm easily confused Yes it's his fault! I blame him entirely! ;) -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.

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SSD for Vax

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 11/10/2013 20:54, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/11/2013 02:13 AM, Mark Benson wrote: http://www.artmix.com/SATA_SCSI_AZMN_II_1.html This adapter is available on ebay for $149 and he says they work well in Vaxstations. He also has some which take CF flash cards. Which is great, but again you run in to the snag that I've never seen a SATA disk smaller than 40GB and the upper size limit on a VAXstation is typically 18GB. Somewhat problematic. I have 2 20G laptop SCSI drives... WHY does this keep coming up? There is no such limitation! I'm easily confused... -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://hecnet.eu http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo

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