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Need a non-static-IP link to HECNet. Anyone got one available.

by md.benson＠gmail.com

Thanks, Sampsa :) Once on the VPN, I guess I can just bridge to an IP inside your DECnet LAN? -- Mark On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Yeah, I've got a PPTP setup for the bridge. I'll set you up tomorrow and send you the details for the VPN and bridge. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:00, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Judgement day came early and we switched back to residential internet and now have no static IP BUT I'm getting a much faster line installed next week as a result so it's all good. > > Does anyone have a VPN I could connect to in order to keep my HECnet connection up (for me to not use, like I've been not using it since April ;) ). Winter is coming and I'll need something to do in the evenings and weekends when it's too rainy and cold to cycle :P > > Thanks! > > -- > > Mark Benson

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Need a non-static-IP link to HECNet. Anyone got one available.

by sampsa＠mac.com

Yeah, I've got a PPTP setup for the bridge. I'll set you up tomorrow and send you the details for the VPN and bridge. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 23 Oct 2013, at 15:00, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Judgement day came early and we switched back to residential internet and now have no static IP BUT I'm getting a much faster line installed next week as a result so it's all good. Does anyone have a VPN I could connect to in order to keep my HECnet connection up (for me to not use, like I've been not using it since April ;) ). Winter is coming and I'll need something to do in the evenings and weekends when it's too rainy and cold to cycle :P Thanks! -- Mark Benson

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Need a non-static-IP link to HECNet. Anyone got one available.

by md.benson＠gmail.com

Hi, Judgement day came early and we switched back to residential internet and now have no static IP BUT I'm getting a much faster line installed next week as a result so it's all good. Does anyone have a VPN I could connect to in order to keep my HECnet connection up (for me to not use, like I've been not using it since April ;) ). Winter is coming and I'll need something to do in the evenings and weekends when it's too rainy and cold to cycle :P Thanks! -- Mark Benson

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HECnet bridge on tru64

by sampsa＠mac.com

True but I don't really want to keep a log (and rotate/purge them), just see if packets are going in and out. I might add another screen for setting up VPN to my server so that non-statically IP'd users can connect via the bridge. This is how HILANT works - there is a VPN to my UK network and the bridge uses the static internal addresses to communicate. The VPN screen basically does this loop forever: Can I ping the other side's bridge machine? - Yes - ok, it's coool - No - restart VPN It's run without intervention for a year now :) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 18 Oct 2013, at 00:53, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Ah. There is. That is what the SIGUSR1 is for... I should improve on it, so that you can do it on a process you don't have the output from, though... Yeah, thats why for now I suggest we launch the bridge in screen on the HECberry - attach to screen, send SIGUSR1 from other screen, see the results on main screen. Screen is pretty light weight, even for a RasPi...

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by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 12:53:50AM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote: Ah. There is. That is what the SIGUSR1 is for... I should improve on it, so that you can do it on a process you don't have the output from, though... Yeah, thats why for now I suggest we launch the bridge in screen on the HECberry - attach to screen, send SIGUSR1 from other screen, see the results on main screen. Screen is pretty light weight, even for a RasPi... You and your screen. There are these things called log files. :) -brian

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Irritating VMS audit behaviour...

by system＠TMESIS.COM

Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes: I've noticed that the system security manager logs Telnet logins as = LOCAL and only DECNET logins as REMOTE. This is a bit retarded in my opinion..Any ideas how to fix it? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 Which TCP/IP are you running? TCP/IP services uses REMOTE. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

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Irritating VMS audit behaviour...

by sampsa＠mac.com

I've noticed that the system security manager logs Telnet logins as LOCAL and only DECNET logins as REMOTE. This is a bit retarded in my opinion..Any ideas how to fix it? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Ah. There is. That is what the SIGUSR1 is for... I should improve on it, so that you can do it on a process you don't have the output from, though... Yeah, thats why for now I suggest we launch the bridge in screen on the HECberry - attach to screen, send SIGUSR1 from other screen, see the results on main screen. Screen is pretty light weight, even for a RasPi...

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by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 17/10/2013 23:03, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-10-17 23:41, Mark Wickens wrote: On 17/10/2013 22:24, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-10-17 23:18, Mark Wickens wrote: On 17/10/2013 13:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:37, Sampsa Laine wrote: sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 17 Oct 2013, at 14:36, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? It does hurt. Ah didn't know that - I'll turn it off when I get the chance in that case. TANSTAAFL Johnny /TNETENNBA/ <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TNETENNBA> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsFAokXCxTI I totally did not get that. My comment was about the fact that logging is not free. Of course it costs you something. (performance being the obvious cost with computers) Which should be obvious by the general TANSTAAFL. Johnny TANSTAAFL is not an acronym I had come across, but it sure looks a lot like TNETENNBA.... crazy English humour... Ok. First of all, I assumed that most people here might have known it, and if not, it's easy to look up. And it is rather old... Minted in the 50s or 60s. (I can't remember for sure right now). But yeah, it does look a bit like that thing you wrote. Except that TANSTAAFL actually means something. :-) Is it possible to add some debugging that is less performance intensive but can you tell 'yes, there is comms between my instance of the bridge and the remote ends'? Or do we have that already? Ah. There is. That is what the SIGUSR1 is for... I should improve on it, so that you can do it on a process you don't have the output from, though... I suspect 90% of the issues with the bridge not working are solely down to network configuration... if it is obvious that there is a link then it allows me to focus on the 10% of issues that aren't down to my stupidity ;) So, maybe I should actually write some documentation, you say...? :-) Johnny Some documentation would be great, but at the end of the day it's just me being lazy not reading the source code thoroughly, isn't it? After all, there is no better documentation... ;) -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://hecnet.eu http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo

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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-10-17 23:41, Mark Wickens wrote: On 17/10/2013 22:24, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-10-17 23:18, Mark Wickens wrote: On 17/10/2013 13:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:37, Sampsa Laine wrote: sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 17 Oct 2013, at 14:36, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? It does hurt. Ah didn't know that - I'll turn it off when I get the chance in that case. TANSTAAFL Johnny /TNETENNBA/ <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TNETENNBA> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsFAokXCxTI I totally did not get that. My comment was about the fact that logging is not free. Of course it costs you something. (performance being the obvious cost with computers) Which should be obvious by the general TANSTAAFL. Johnny TANSTAAFL is not an acronym I had come across, but it sure looks a lot like TNETENNBA.... crazy English humour... Ok. First of all, I assumed that most people here might have known it, and if not, it's easy to look up. And it is rather old... Minted in the 50s or 60s. (I can't remember for sure right now). But yeah, it does look a bit like that thing you wrote. Except that TANSTAAFL actually means something. :-) Is it possible to add some debugging that is less performance intensive but can you tell 'yes, there is comms between my instance of the bridge and the remote ends'? Or do we have that already? Ah. There is. That is what the SIGUSR1 is for... I should improve on it, so that you can do it on a process you don't have the output from, though... I suspect 90% of the issues with the bridge not working are solely down to network configuration... if it is obvious that there is a link then it allows me to focus on the 10% of issues that aren't down to my stupidity ;) So, maybe I should actually write some documentation, you say...? :-) Johnny

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HECnet bridge on tru64

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 17/10/2013 22:24, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-10-17 23:18, Mark Wickens wrote: On 17/10/2013 13:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:37, Sampsa Laine wrote: sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 17 Oct 2013, at 14:36, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? It does hurt. Ah didn't know that - I'll turn it off when I get the chance in that case. TANSTAAFL Johnny /TNETENNBA/ <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TNETENNBA> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsFAokXCxTI I totally did not get that. My comment was about the fact that logging is not free. Of course it costs you something. (performance being the obvious cost with computers) Which should be obvious by the general TANSTAAFL. Johnny TANSTAAFL is not an acronym I had come across, but it sure looks a lot like TNETENNBA.... crazy English humour... Is it possible to add some debugging that is less performance intensive but can you tell 'yes, there is comms between my instance of the bridge and the remote ends'? Or do we have that already? I suspect 90% of the issues with the bridge not working are solely down to network configuration... if it is obvious that there is a link then it allows me to focus on the 10% of issues that aren't down to my stupidity ;) Thanks, Mark. -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://hecnet.eu http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo

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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-10-17 23:18, Mark Wickens wrote: On 17/10/2013 13:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:37, Sampsa Laine wrote: sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 17 Oct 2013, at 14:36, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? It does hurt. Ah didn't know that - I'll turn it off when I get the chance in that case. TANSTAAFL Johnny /TNETENNBA/ <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TNETENNBA> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsFAokXCxTI I totally did not get that. My comment was about the fact that logging is not free. Of course it costs you something. (performance being the obvious cost with computers) Which should be obvious by the general TANSTAAFL. Johnny

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HECnet bridge on tru64

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 17/10/2013 13:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:37, Sampsa Laine wrote: sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 17 Oct 2013, at 14:36, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? It does hurt. Ah didn't know that - I'll turn it off when I get the chance in that case. TANSTAAFL Johnny TNETENNBA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsFAokXCxTI -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://hecnet.eu http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo

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HECnet bridge on tru64

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-10-17 14:37, Sampsa Laine wrote: sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 17 Oct 2013, at 14:36, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? It does hurt. Ah didn't know that - I'll turn it off when I get the chance in that case. TANSTAAFL Johnny

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HECnet bridge on tru64

by sampsa＠mac.com

sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 17 Oct 2013, at 14:36, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-17 14:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? It does hurt. Ah didn't know that - I'll turn it off when I get the chance in that case. Sampsa

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HECnet bridge on tru64

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-10-17 14:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? It does hurt. Johnny

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HECnet bridge on tru64

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 17/10/2013 13:27, Sampsa Laine wrote: I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? sampsa It doesn't work for me (generally) when I have debugging on... Mark. -- -- Mark Wickens http://wickensonline.co.uk http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.org https://twitter.com/#!/@urbancamo HECNET: http://hecnet.eu, Email: HALO::MSW

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HECnet bridge on tru64

by sampsa＠mac.com

I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Why, does that kill the performance or? sampsa

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HECnet bridge on tru64

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-10-16 22:47, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 16 Oct 2013, at 19:31, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-16 18:00, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 16 Oct 2013, at 17:18, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-10-16 11:57, Mark Wickens wrote: I am also taking a solaris box im presuming thatthe bridge would compile Ok on that? I have no reason to suspect it shouldn't work. But only testing will tell. And the same here - you might need to tweak a thing or two in the source. Johnny This got me thinking, could just customize a Raspian distro to run the bridge. Download the image, put it on a SD card and boot. Change network settings and enter uplink details in bridge.conf. bridge runs automatically in a screen launched by init (respawned if killed, of course). Instant HECnet-in-a-box :) Yes, apart that there is absolutely no reason to involve screen here. Kick the bridge from init. I like being able to watch the debug output in screen, but that's just me. Are you running with debug enabled??? Johnny

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HECnet bridge on Solaris 2.9

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-10-16 22:45, Mark Wickens wrote: Well, I managed to get the bridge compiled up on Solaris with some minor makefile and include and library tweaks having compiled up the latest libpcap. I am using the opencsw archive for general unix software. If I run the bridge with debug on I get the following output: ./bridge 4711 Config filename: bridge.conf Adding router ''local''. 0001187c:-4206648 Adding router ''update''. 82ee1319:4711 Adding DECnet bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding DECnet bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Adding LAT bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding LAT bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Host table: 0: local 0.0.0.0:0 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) 1: update 130.238.19.25:4711 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) Hash of known destinations: Adding new hash entry. Port is 1 Adding new hash entry. Port is 1 Adding new hash entry. Port is 1 Adding new hash entry. Port is 1 Adding new hash entry. Port is 1 Adding new hash entry. Port is 1 Setting existing hash to bridge 1 Setting existing hash to bridge 1 Setting existing hash to bridge 1 Setting existing hash to bridge 1 Adding new hash entry. Port is 1 Setting existing hash to bridge 1 Setting existing hash to bridge 1 Adding new hash entry. Port is 1 Adding new hash entry. Port is 1 Which looks encouraging, but when I try and use DECNET on SLAVE I get the following: [MSW]SLAVE$ dir mim:: %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening MIM::*.*;* as input -RMS-F-SYS, QIO system service request failed -SYSTEM-F-PATHLOST, path to network partner node lost Any ideas what might be going wrong? I've updated my NAT to point to the Ultra 5 for port 4711. Could you run a tcpdump on the network where the Sun is sitting. Dump the full ethernet headers. I have some vague memory of that you might not be able to set arbitrary source MAC addresses on packets sent on Sun machines, which would make it impossible to use the bridge... (Yes, DECnet nodes check that the source MAC address of received packets are consistent with what is expected, and refuse to get adjacency up if there is something wrong. Johnny Johnny

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Concerning that e-mail thing from HP that Ian is concerned with

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Darned if I know why, but the blankety-blank thing arrived intact into my other e-mail box. One that is registered with their hobbyist outfit. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Re: Call to Action: Team is looking for contribution from OpenVMS and Open source community....

by system＠TMESIS.COM

Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> writes: On Oct 16, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> = wrote: Hello! And what were they discussing? Hopefully something important. Remember, at the moment HP has no idea exactly what VMS is and what it originally ran on, then what it took over, and its final platform. Did the email not make it to the list? Probably because it's an email = thread with, for some unknown reason, the same email thread as a PDF = attachment. If the email didnt make it to the list, let me know. (It = may have got filtered because of the attachment that I didn't see at the = time) I didn't see it. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

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Re: Call to Action: Team is looking for contribution from OpenVMS and Open source community....

by ian＠platinum.net

On Oct 16, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! And what were they discussing? Hopefully something important. Remember, at the moment HP has no idea exactly what VMS is and what it originally ran on, then what it took over, and its final platform. Did the email not make it to the list? Probably because it's an email thread with, for some unknown reason, the same email thread as a PDF attachment. If the email didnt make it to the list, let me know. (It may have got filtered because of the attachment that I didn't see at the time) Ian

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Re: [DECtec] Call to Action: Team is looking for contribution from OpenVMS and Open source community....

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 16 Oct 2013, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Haha. After posting that email, I realized that they accidentally forwarded an entire conversation between two HP staffers discussing the email. I was a bit confused by the email when I got it, too. PR fail. Ian On Oct 16, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: Hello All, I just received the below email from HP. Did anyone else get it? It's quite interesting, but I'm also trying to figure out exactly where and when I told HP I was a VMS fan. I don't recall ever getting anything from HP in the past because of my hobbyist license registration. Wondering what others think about this - both from the 'HP reaching out' aspect as well as the aspect of promoting a port-it-to-VMS project. Ian -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Re: Call to Action: Team is looking for contribution from OpenVMS and Open source community....

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! And what were they discussing? Hopefully something important. Remember, at the moment HP has no idea exactly what VMS is and what it originally ran on, then what it took over, and its final platform. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: Haha. After posting that email, I realized that they accidentally forwarded an entire conversation between two HP staffers discussing the email. PR fail. Ian On Oct 16, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: Hello All, I just received the below email from HP. Did anyone else get it? It's quite interesting, but I'm also trying to figure out exactly where and when I told HP I was a VMS fan. I don't recall ever getting anything from HP in the past because of my hobbyist license registration. Wondering what others think about this - both from the 'HP reaching out' aspect as well as the aspect of promoting a port-it-to-VMS project. Ian

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