On 2014-01-05 19:55, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Terminal.app seems to have worked fine for the last 6 years or so for me :)
What is the single show-stopping bug in Terminal.app that should make me move over to xTerm?
For me it is that it will not clear the window when the DECCOLM escape sequence is received. I have plenty of applications that depends on that behavior. I could go on with more bugs as well, but it just sucks.
Johnny
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:44, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-05 19:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually forget, xterm is unusable, even basic copy-paste between OS X apps and xterm doesn't work.
It works just fine.
I'll hack out a keyboard mapping later for a slightly more modern terminal.
Good luck with your buggy "modern" terminal.
Johnny
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:54, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK, xterm works pretty well after some investigation..
I've never before attempted to change the setting of an old-skool X program and it looks like an absolute nightmare. Could any of you gurus produce an .xtermrc with a beige background and black text and font size set to 14?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2014-01-05 19:46, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Does this resize the terminal window when you resize the window on OS X?
Not sure I understand the question.
Johnny
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-05 18:13, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
Everything works correct for me.
I don't have any .xtermrc. Didn't even know it used one...
However, I start xterm with the following:
---8<---
#!/bin/tcsh
unsetenv LC_CTYPE
unsetenv LANG
xterm +sf +sp -aw -ut -132 -ti vt220 -sb -sl 500 -name rsx &
---8<---
And my X resources:
iMac:/Users/bqt> cat .Xresources
! *.hold: true
*.vt100.decTerminalID: 220
*.vt100.c132: true
! *.vt100.deleteIsDEL: true
*.vt100.saveLines: 1000
*.ptyInitialErase: true
*.backarrowKeyIsErase: true
*.backarrowKey: false
*.sunKeyboard: true
*.rightScrollBar: true
xterm.vt100.activeIcon: false
xterm.vt100.multiScroll: true
local.utmpInhibit: false
local.title: Terminal
local.vt100.loginShell: false
local.vt100.scrollBar: true
remote.utmpInhibit: false
remote.title: Terminal
remote.vt100.loginShell: true
remote.vt100.scrollBar: true
xunix.utmpInhibit: true
xunix.title: Xunix terminal
xunix.vt100.loginShell: false
xunix.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.utmpInhibit: true
rsx.title: RSX terminal
rsx.vt100.loginShell: false
rsx.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.sunKeyboard: true
vms.utmpInhibit: true
vms.title: VMS terminal
vms.vt100.loginShell: false
vms.vt100.scrollBar: true
iMac:/Users/bqt>
Johnny
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2014-01-05 19:44, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:40, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-05 18:01, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, thinking of going that route, even though Xterm does look like crap and isn't really well integrated into the rest of OS X.
Looks like crap? Not sure I agree with that. It does not have a lot of eye candy and similar drivel. Instead it just looks like a terminal - which is what I think it should look like.
Ok, that's a tad harsh, but let's say it doesn't visually integrate well with the rest of the UI. If I didn't care about this stuff I wouldn't be on an OS X box, but seriously, the xterm UI is abysmal (Want to change the font or say background colour? Oh, edit .Xresources - WTF?!?).
It's an X application. Of course it don't really match up with the MAC window system, which is not X.
Oh and there's so simple way of doing copy/cut/paste between it and other apps - I'll stick to Terminal.app / iTerm which (I just found out) support the keymappings out of the box too, probably because they used the same code base as xterm.
There is a very easy way. X have a clipboard, and xterm (like any sane X program) use it. Very consistent, and very usable. Much better than all the sucky clipboards of OS X or Windows... But I guess it all depends on where you come from. I used X before any of the other crap even existed, so the way X do things are the natural way for me.
What you need to figure out is how to set up your X application to integrate the X clipboard with the OS X window manager clipboard. I use Xquartz, and it does it just fine. I might have had to do some setting up of Xquartz initially. Don't remember anymore.
Your problem is that you are too stuck in just one way of doing things. So I guess it makes more sense for you to use some OS X application. But I do know that all that I have tested (and that probably includes any you are trying to play with now) all are pretty buggy when it comes to actual functionality. They look pretty, but they are pigs, even if they have lipstick.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Terminal.app seems to have worked fine for the last 6 years or so for me :)
What is the single show-stopping bug in Terminal.app that should make me move over to xTerm?
(iTerm is buggy, I grant you that, but it has better keyboard remapping feature, but it turns out I don't need them)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:44, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-05 19:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually forget, xterm is unusable, even basic copy-paste between OS X apps and xterm doesn't work.
It works just fine.
I'll hack out a keyboard mapping later for a slightly more modern terminal.
Good luck with your buggy "modern" terminal.
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:54, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK, xterm works pretty well after some investigation..
I've never before attempted to change the setting of an old-skool X program and it looks like an absolute nightmare. Could any of you gurus produce an .xtermrc with a beige background and black text and font size set to 14?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Yeah, that's what I've been following.
It lists escape sequences, that aren't working for some reason with my terminal program.
So I'm going to try to send them as hex strings instead. Anybody happen to have a list of these control chars in hex?
Actually, anyone with an Xterm
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 02:16, G ran hling <ahling at eadc.se> wrote:
http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt220-rm/
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
/G ran
Does this resize the terminal window when you resize the window on OS X?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-05 18:13, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
Everything works correct for me.
I don't have any .xtermrc. Didn't even know it used one...
However, I start xterm with the following:
---8<---
#!/bin/tcsh
unsetenv LC_CTYPE
unsetenv LANG
xterm +sf +sp -aw -ut -132 -ti vt220 -sb -sl 500 -name rsx &
---8<---
And my X resources:
iMac:/Users/bqt> cat .Xresources
! *.hold: true
*.vt100.decTerminalID: 220
*.vt100.c132: true
! *.vt100.deleteIsDEL: true
*.vt100.saveLines: 1000
*.ptyInitialErase: true
*.backarrowKeyIsErase: true
*.backarrowKey: false
*.sunKeyboard: true
*.rightScrollBar: true
xterm.vt100.activeIcon: false
xterm.vt100.multiScroll: true
local.utmpInhibit: false
local.title: Terminal
local.vt100.loginShell: false
local.vt100.scrollBar: true
remote.utmpInhibit: false
remote.title: Terminal
remote.vt100.loginShell: true
remote.vt100.scrollBar: true
xunix.utmpInhibit: true
xunix.title: Xunix terminal
xunix.vt100.loginShell: false
xunix.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.utmpInhibit: true
rsx.title: RSX terminal
rsx.vt100.loginShell: false
rsx.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.sunKeyboard: true
vms.utmpInhibit: true
vms.title: VMS terminal
vms.vt100.loginShell: false
vms.vt100.scrollBar: true
iMac:/Users/bqt>
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:40, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-05 18:01, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, thinking of going that route, even though Xterm does look like crap and isn't really well integrated into the rest of OS X.
Looks like crap? Not sure I agree with that. It does not have a lot of eye candy and similar drivel. Instead it just looks like a terminal - which is what I think it should look like.
Ok, that's a tad harsh, but let's say it doesn't visually integrate well with the rest of the UI. If I didn't care about this stuff I wouldn't be on an OS X box, but seriously, the xterm UI is abysmal (Want to change the font or say background colour? Oh, edit .Xresources - WTF?!?).
Oh and there's so simple way of doing copy/cut/paste between it and other apps - I'll stick to Terminal.app / iTerm which (I just found out) support the keymappings out of the box too, probably because they used the same code base as xterm.
As for the sixel support, my bad,it wasn't Erik who wrote it, he's just been messing around with sixels a lot lately.
On 2014-01-05 19:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually forget, xterm is unusable, even basic copy-paste between OS X apps and xterm doesn't work.
It works just fine.
I'll hack out a keyboard mapping later for a slightly more modern terminal.
Good luck with your buggy "modern" terminal.
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:54, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK, xterm works pretty well after some investigation..
I've never before attempted to change the setting of an old-skool X program and it looks like an absolute nightmare. Could any of you gurus produce an .xtermrc with a beige background and black text and font size set to 14?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2014-01-05 18:13, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
Everything works correct for me.
I don't have any .xtermrc. Didn't even know it used one...
However, I start xterm with the following:
---8<---
#!/bin/tcsh
unsetenv LC_CTYPE
unsetenv LANG
xterm +sf +sp -aw -ut -132 -ti vt220 -sb -sl 500 -name rsx &
---8<---
And my X resources:
iMac:/Users/bqt> cat .Xresources
! *.hold: true
*.vt100.decTerminalID: 220
*.vt100.c132: true
! *.vt100.deleteIsDEL: true
*.vt100.saveLines: 1000
*.ptyInitialErase: true
*.backarrowKeyIsErase: true
*.backarrowKey: false
*.sunKeyboard: true
*.rightScrollBar: true
xterm.vt100.activeIcon: false
xterm.vt100.multiScroll: true
local.utmpInhibit: false
local.title: Terminal
local.vt100.loginShell: false
local.vt100.scrollBar: true
remote.utmpInhibit: false
remote.title: Terminal
remote.vt100.loginShell: true
remote.vt100.scrollBar: true
xunix.utmpInhibit: true
xunix.title: Xunix terminal
xunix.vt100.loginShell: false
xunix.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.utmpInhibit: true
rsx.title: RSX terminal
rsx.vt100.loginShell: false
rsx.vt100.scrollBar: true
rsx.sunKeyboard: true
vms.utmpInhibit: true
vms.title: VMS terminal
vms.vt100.loginShell: false
vms.vt100.scrollBar: true
iMac:/Users/bqt>
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2014-01-05 18:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
It's an X application. You either set parameters on the command line, or use the X resource database for it.
(man xrdb)
Besides, if you emulate a terminal from 1982, why would it not look like 1982?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2014-01-05 18:01, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, thinking of going that route, even though Xterm does look like crap and isn't really well integrated into the rest of OS X.
Looks like crap? Not sure I agree with that. It does not have a lot of eye candy and similar drivel. Instead it just looks like a terminal - which is what I think it should look like.
As a bonus, I'll get Erik's SIXEL support too..
Erik's? Who is Erik? I know of SIXEL support for xterm, and I believe I know the guy who wrote it, and his name is not Erik...
Or have two people done similar work at the same point in time?
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Turns out iTerm 2 supports the same key mappings as xterm, out of the box.
Terminal.app does SORT of but is a bit random..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 20:03, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually forget, xterm is unusable, even basic copy-paste between OS X apps and xterm doesn't work.
I'll hack out a keyboard mapping later for a slightly more modern terminal.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:54, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK, xterm works pretty well after some investigation..
I've never before attempted to change the setting of an old-skool X program and it looks like an absolute nightmare. Could any of you gurus produce an .xtermrc with a beige background and black text and font size set to 14?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
Well actually I did not write the SIXEL support for XTerm,
but did write SIXEL support for gnuplot and the ZX81 emulator
(http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/zx81ce.html) to be used within XTerm.
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 07:01:24PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, thinking of going that route, even though Xterm does look like crap and isn't really well integrated into the rest of OS X.
As a bonus, I'll get Erik's SIXEL support too..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Actually forget, xterm is unusable, even basic copy-paste between OS X apps and xterm doesn't work.
I'll hack out a keyboard mapping later for a slightly more modern terminal.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:54, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
OK, xterm works pretty well after some investigation..
I've never before attempted to change the setting of an old-skool X program and it looks like an absolute nightmare. Could any of you gurus produce an .xtermrc with a beige background and black text and font size set to 14?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
OK, xterm works pretty well after some investigation..
I've never before attempted to change the setting of an old-skool X program and it looks like an absolute nightmare. Could any of you gurus produce an .xtermrc with a beige background and black text and font size set to 14?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
Actually xTerm has SOME of the mappings defined by default, does anyone have a decent .xtermrc file for all of them?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Where are the config files for xterm stored? I want it to look less 1982 and have a font that doesn't require a microscope to read.
sampsa
Yeah, thinking of going that route, even though Xterm does look like crap and isn't really well integrated into the rest of OS X.
As a bonus, I'll get Erik's SIXEL support too..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 5 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Johnny
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On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
Why don't you use xterm? The mappings are already correct. And as a bonus, you actually get a VT100 emulation with less bugs.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt220-rm/
On 2014-01-04 21:08, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
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/G ran
Been playing remapping some "slime slim, full size Apple" kbd but the results aren't great. Does anybody have a canonical list of VT220 escape codes, preferably in hex (I think my term's escape sequence is broken)..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 2014-01-02 16:45, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Jan 1, 2014, at 12:16 PM, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote:
From: "Jerome H. Fine" <jhfinedp3k at compsys.to>
In respect of RSTS/E, is this possible as well or does RSTS/E
have the same requirement as TSX-Plus?
RSTS doesn't have loadable drivers, so it all has to be genned into the
system (and user-written drivers aren't officially supported). On the plus
side, RSTS autosizes the system on every boot (including floating CSRs, and
all vectors except card readers are autodetected so they don't need to follow
the rules at all -- user-written drivers would have to be hooked up to this
too), and passes CSR/vector/model information to the drivers that it enables.
So while RSTS requires the drivers to be linked to the system, it's not a
totally rigid mass that works only on the exact config it was built for.
You can run a monitor on totally different hardware and as long as it has
drivers for enough of the existing peripherals to work, you're all set.
Also, you can have multiple monitors (built different ways) on the same
pack and tell the pre-boot thingy (INIT.SYS) which one to boot.
A good example is the monitor called sysgen which is the one on the system installation tape. It s a bit like the Unix Generic kernel. It s built to support one or two units of every supported mass storage and distribution device, plus a terminal line or two. That way, a single kernel works for every system on which a customer might want to install. You then run that monitor to build your own, which would normally have a more selective set of mass storage devices, the non-disk/tape I/O devices on your system, and support for more jobs. But in all cases, you can build a monitor for more hardware than you have, and whatever is missing is simply disabled at startup.
As for loadable drivers, true until late in the RSTS evolution. Somewhere in the V9 era, I believe, the terminal driver system was redone so it has port drivers for each terminal interface type, which are loaded at startup as appropriate for the hardware you have. That s not a general mechanism, though.
In fact, RSTS has 3 or 4 quite distinct driver types: disk drivers, terminal drivers, network device drivers, and other device drivers. Network and other are somewhat similar, but terminal port drivers and disk drivers have no relationship at all to regular device drivers.
User written drivers no such thing. In theory you might be able to, but only with a source kit which few people did. And there was no documentation for this. It may be that one or two people wrote an other driver; I can t imagine user written disk drivers.
A friend of mine worked on a TCP/IP implementation for RSTS/E. It got as far as having working IP, ICMP and UDP (and ARP), as far as I know, but I'm not sure exactly how he hooked the whole thing into RSTS/E in general.
I have his code somewhere, if someone would be seriously interested in looking at it, or do some work. I think it's for RSTS/E V8...
The "sysgen" monitor for RSTS/E sounds somewhat similar to the Baseline system for RSX, which have a few of everything compiled in. That system is mostly used just as a start to do a proper SYSGEN for a system tailored to your specific hardware.
RSX also marks devices that don't respond as offline, which is pretty much just like disabling them.
Writing your own devices drivers in RSX, however, is very well documented, and supported. There is a whole manual that only deals with that specific topic.
Writing your own ACPs however, is not that well documented, even though the interface is actually very clean. There were DECUS papers published about writing your own ACPs instead.
Johnny
On Jan 1, 2014, at 12:16 PM, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote:
From: "Jerome H. Fine" <jhfinedp3k at compsys.to>
In respect of RSTS/E, is this possible as well or does RSTS/E
have the same requirement as TSX-Plus?
RSTS doesn't have loadable drivers, so it all has to be genned into the
system (and user-written drivers aren't officially supported). On the plus
side, RSTS autosizes the system on every boot (including floating CSRs, and
all vectors except card readers are autodetected so they don't need to follow
the rules at all -- user-written drivers would have to be hooked up to this
too), and passes CSR/vector/model information to the drivers that it enables.
So while RSTS requires the drivers to be linked to the system, it's not a
totally rigid mass that works only on the exact config it was built for.
You can run a monitor on totally different hardware and as long as it has
drivers for enough of the existing peripherals to work, you're all set.
Also, you can have multiple monitors (built different ways) on the same
pack and tell the pre-boot thingy (INIT.SYS) which one to boot.
A good example is the monitor called sysgen which is the one on the system installation tape. It s a bit like the Unix Generic kernel. It s built to support one or two units of every supported mass storage and distribution device, plus a terminal line or two. That way, a single kernel works for every system on which a customer might want to install. You then run that monitor to build your own, which would normally have a more selective set of mass storage devices, the non-disk/tape I/O devices on your system, and support for more jobs. But in all cases, you can build a monitor for more hardware than you have, and whatever is missing is simply disabled at startup.
As for loadable drivers, true until late in the RSTS evolution. Somewhere in the V9 era, I believe, the terminal driver system was redone so it has port drivers for each terminal interface type, which are loaded at startup as appropriate for the hardware you have. That s not a general mechanism, though.
In fact, RSTS has 3 or 4 quite distinct driver types: disk drivers, terminal drivers, network device drivers, and other device drivers. Network and other are somewhat similar, but terminal port drivers and disk drivers have no relationship at all to regular device drivers.
User written drivers no such thing. In theory you might be able to, but only with a source kit which few people did. And there was no documentation for this. It may be that one or two people wrote an other driver; I can t imagine user written disk drivers.
paul
Evening,
Do RX50 schematics exist on bitsavers, fiche, or elsewhere? I have one
here and it doesn't appear to work. Testing is showing either a busted
motor or something wrong in the voltage control stuff.
Thanks!
Oops. Just found 'em up on bitsavers. Let's hope it's helpful with test
point values. I have no idea if TP1 should be 2.4008VDC or it should be a
specific waveform.
I took a look at the schematics. Something around 2.5VDC looks reasonable
for TP1 when nothing much is happening, because of the potential divider
formed by R2 and R3.
I guess you have already checked that the motor is free to turn?
It looks like the motor is probably connected between J11 pins 3 and 4. Do
you have more than a few volts DC between those pins?
It looks MPWR (connector J4 pin 3) is the signal to tell the motor to run.
You should have something over 0.7VDC here for the motor to run.
What have you got at TP4 - you would need a few volts here too.
What about TP5? It should be 0V when the motor is stopped and a small DC
voltage when it is running. If there is more than half a volt or so here,
check whether R15 is hot.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
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Hello!
It'll work. But you need to worry about the timing.....
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Evening,
Do RX50 schematics exist on bitsavers, fiche, or elsewhere? I have one
here and it doesn't appear to work. Testing is showing either a busted
motor or something wrong in the voltage control stuff.
Thanks!
Oops. Just found 'em up on bitsavers. Let's hope it's helpful with test
point values. I have no idea if TP1 should be 2.4008VDC or it should be a
specific waveform.
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