It works for me and the 8-10 other links that depend on their connection
to me in the (North) Eastern US.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Bob Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:36
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] EISNER?
Then you're very lucky. I had nothing but trouble.
There are quite a few people on HECnet using Multinet -
anybody else besides Paul have problems?
Bob
On 2014-01-16 17:00, Brian Hechinger wrote:
The problem is (at least on FreeBSD) that there is a bug with bpf and/or GRE. The 0x6002, 3 and 4 packets never get delivered.
I would suspect GRE (I have never had luck with it in the past when I tried). The bridge will run just fine on FreeBSD, or so I seem to remember atleast. And the bridge also picks those same protocols...
Johnny
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 17:29, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com> wrote:
Using the ip_gre kernel module with iptunnel to configure and bring up
the GRE tunnel, it would be rudimentary to match on 0x6002, 0x6003,
and 0x6004 in the tunnel packets using a netfilter module such as
http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/netfilter-extensions-HOWTO-3.h…
It's not rocket science. :)
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
The problem is (at least on FreeBSD) that there is a bug with bpf and/or GRE. The 0x6002, 3 and 4 packets never get delivered.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 17:29, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com> wrote:
Using the ip_gre kernel module with iptunnel to configure and bring up
the GRE tunnel, it would be rudimentary to match on 0x6002, 0x6003,
and 0x6004 in the tunnel packets using a netfilter module such as
http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/netfilter-extensions-HOWTO-3.h…
It's not rocket science. :)
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/16/2014 06:18 PM, Mark Abene wrote:
Brian manages who's GRE tunnels go where? Sounds good. For testing,
I'll contact you off-list.
Brian developed a database-backed tool that generates Cisco config
snippets to maintain a fully-meshed tunnel. It runs well. It basically
regenerates all tunnel interfaces starting with number 50 every time it
runs. Any lower-numbered tunnels are left untouched.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Brian manages who's GRE tunnels go where? Sounds good. For testing,
I'll contact you off-list.
Thanks,
Mark
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Ah ok. So this isn't a GRE solution, it would require someone either
running the original 'bridge', or this same program at the remote end?
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jarratt RMA
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
I have not written anything specifically to make it a GRE endpoint (if that
is the right term). It can work as a direct replacement for the bridge in
that it can talk the same protocols. In other words on a LAN it implements
the DECnet Ethernet interface, and it also accepts the UDP packet format
processed by the bridge. The difference being of course that it does not
bridge the networks, instead it routes between your local Ethernet(s) and
the "Ethernet" that comes in over the UDP interface.
I hope that explains it.
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 21:16, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
Does that work with GRE on Linux? I never got GRE with not IP to work on
FreeBSD due to strangeness with bpf.
Paul's python router talks GRE natively. Not sure how well tested that is
though as I never got it setup before the colo box getting shut off.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 15:35, Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
I wrote a user mode one that runs on Linux, although my primary
development platform is Windows and I have not checked Linux compatibility
lately. You can find it on http://route20.codeplex.com/
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 18:53, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try
out Paul's python one.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire
<mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy
connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me
know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene
<phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Johnny's 'bridge' uses bpf, and it works just fine on linux, so I'm
not concerned.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
Does that work with GRE on Linux? I never got GRE with not IP to work on
FreeBSD due to strangeness with bpf.
Paul's python router talks GRE natively. Not sure how well tested that is
though as I never got it setup before the colo box getting shut off.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 15:35, Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
I wrote a user mode one that runs on Linux, although my primary development
platform is Windows and I have not checked Linux compatibility lately. You
can find it on http://route20.codeplex.com/
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 18:53, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out
Paul's python one.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy
connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me
know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I take a look at this now and let you know.
-M
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Jarratt RMA
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
I wrote a user mode one that runs on Linux, although my primary development
platform is Windows and I have not checked Linux compatibility lately. You
can find it on http://route20.codeplex.com/
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 18:53, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out
Paul's python one.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy
connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me
know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Using the ip_gre kernel module with iptunnel to configure and bring up
the GRE tunnel, it would be rudimentary to match on 0x6002, 0x6003,
and 0x6004 in the tunnel packets using a netfilter module such as
http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/netfilter-extensions-HOWTO-3.h…
It's not rocket science. :)
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I have not written anything specifically to make it a GRE endpoint (if that is the right term). It can work as a direct replacement for the bridge in that it can talk the same protocols. In other words on a LAN it implements the DECnet Ethernet interface, and it also accepts the UDP packet format processed by the bridge. The difference being of course that it does not bridge the networks, instead it routes between your local Ethernet(s) and the "Ethernet" that comes in over the UDP interface.
I hope that explains it.
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 21:16, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
Does that work with GRE on Linux? I never got GRE with not IP to work on FreeBSD due to strangeness with bpf.
Paul's python router talks GRE natively. Not sure how well tested that is though as I never got it setup before the colo box getting shut off.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 15:35, Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
I wrote a user mode one that runs on Linux, although my primary development platform is Windows and I have not checked Linux compatibility lately. You can find it on http://route20.codeplex.com/
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 18:53, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
>
> I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
> like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
> management system. Let me know.
>
> -Dave
>
>> On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>> Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
>> cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
>> HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
>> running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
>> is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
>> tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
>> they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
>> hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
>> GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
>>> If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
>>> stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
>>> automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>> On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>> Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
>>>> join it.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
>>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
>>>> they want to peer is another story.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
>>>> soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
>>>> and is
>>>> already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
>>>> <mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
>>>> <mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
>>>> that's only for the
>>>> X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
>>>> <http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
>>>> additionally).
>>>> For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
>>>> Johnny-bridge. :)
>>>> I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
Does that work with GRE on Linux? I never got GRE with not IP to work on FreeBSD due to strangeness with bpf.
Paul's python router talks GRE natively. Not sure how well tested that is though as I never got it setup before the colo box getting shut off.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 15:35, Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
I wrote a user mode one that runs on Linux, although my primary development platform is Windows and I have not checked Linux compatibility lately. You can find it on http://route20.codeplex.com/
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 18:53, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
>
> I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
> like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
> management system. Let me know.
>
> -Dave
>
>> On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>> Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
>> cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
>> HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
>> running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
>> is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
>> tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
>> they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
>> hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
>> GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
>>> If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
>>> stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
>>> automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>> On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>> Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
>>>> join it.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
>>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
>>>> they want to peer is another story.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
>>>> soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
>>>> and is
>>>> already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
>>>> <mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
>>>> <mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
>>>> that's only for the
>>>> X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
>>>> <http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
>>>> additionally).
>>>> For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
>>>> Johnny-bridge. :)
>>>> I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Okay.
As for naming of names, yes to Star Wars, and Star Trek, and Dr Who,
but not to the guy who taught us to read.
Right now we can resume our argument.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
<system at tmesis.com> wrote:
Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> writes:
Hello!
Before we completely beat Multinet down with cudgels and assorted
sharp things, I have a question or two:
For one thing, Eisner is who? (What specialty does this machine do?)
And for another how did the machine in question get named?
Eisner is the DECUSserve system originally sanctioned by DECUS many years
ago. DECUSserve has been many different architectures over the years but
it is now an Alpha running OpenVMS.
Eisner refers to the late Dan Eisner who was instrumental in developing
the DECUSserve concept/system.
I can cite complex examples behind why my machines get their names,
its almost a definite cause to change the subject.
Star Wars? Star Trek? Dr. Who? Dr. Seuss?? :)
Once those are answered we can go back to beating that protocol model
with those things.
16lbs slegdehammer coming your way. Pound it down.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
I wrote a user mode one that runs on Linux, although my primary development platform is Windows and I have not checked Linux compatibility lately. You can find it on http://route20.codeplex.com/
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 18:53, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
>
> I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
> like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
> management system. Let me know.
>
> -Dave
>
>> On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>> Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
>> cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
>> HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
>> running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
>> is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
>> tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
>> they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
>> hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
>> GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
>>> If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
>>> stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
>>> automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>> On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>> Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
>>>> join it.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
>>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
>>>> they want to peer is another story.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
>>>> soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
>>>> and is
>>>> already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
>>>> <mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
>>>> <mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
>>>> that's only for the
>>>> X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
>>>> <http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
>>>> additionally).
>>>> For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
>>>> Johnny-bridge. :)
>>>> I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
On 15 Jan 2014, at 22:05, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-14 03:44, Sampsa Laine wrote:
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 14 Jan 2014, at 13:42, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Anybody know what happened with that discussion re: EISNER and HECnet?
Also, is EISNER even up any more? I can't seem to connect to it.
EISNER is being or has been physically relocated. Once it is back up, I'll
see what can be done about getting it connected to HECnet. I have no idea
what'll be available network-wise/router-wise until EISNER is back on-line.
Mind you with such a large change anyway, it might be a good time to "sneak in" the connection to HECnet :)
I totally dislike the "sneak in" comment. If it is going to happen, it must be done very openly and consciously. Noone will benefit from trying to sneak something in.
Johnny
I think you misunderstood what I meant, I prob expressed it badly, my main point was that since the system is undergoing so many changes etc anyway right now as to be down, this would be a best time to join HECnet..
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Multinet is horribly unreliable because it is based
on a fundamentally defective protocol design.
Really ? I've been using it for years and haven't noticed this.
The HECnet bridge, OTOH, crashes regularly. It doesn't seem to recover
gracefully from network hiccups.
Don't have a Cisco, so I can't comment on that.
My cisco gear (aside from the fact tunnel connect operations can be blocking at times...) run fine!
Bob
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Mark Wickens wrote:
It *almost* makes me want to get the missus to drape herself over an Alphaserver, or such like... ;)
Maybe all this talk of line printers should spur someone to make the DEC equivalent of Benny Benassi's 'Satisfaction' video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bYDhZBFLA
Well, I'm crazy enough to...but I don't have a line printer. Only an LA120.
Mark
On 16/01/2014 14:05, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
How about photos which include DEC and cute operators ;)
https://www.its.uq.edu.au/filething/get/4210/1981%20Maralyn%20Kenley.jpg
Kindly,
Daniel S derstr m
Sent from my iPad
On 16 Jan 2014, at 9:46 pm, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at Update.UU.SE> writes:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 06:25:12PM -0500, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/15/2014 06:00 PM, Mark Wickens wrote:
I searched for DEC LP27 printer and came across this treasure chest:
http://www1.appstate.edu/~jmm/operations.tour.html
Not sure it'll be the same since the last update in 1994!
Oh, the PORN!!
You might like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfBMyvIBYAw
(i almost thought it was the same place)
I love the porn soundtrack! :)
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 01/16/2014 05:41 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 06:25:12PM -0500, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/15/2014 06:00 PM, Mark Wickens wrote:
I searched for DEC LP27 printer and came across this treasure chest:
http://www1.appstate.edu/~jmm/operations.tour.html
Not sure it'll be the same since the last update in 1994!
Oh, the PORN!!
You might like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfBMyvIBYAw
(i almost thought it was the same place)
I just drooled all over my shirt!
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/15/2014 07:20 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Heh! The DZ-11 is a hog. We all know that.
But the LP11 is not really much better. It's also interrupt per
character unless I remember wrong. But it's only one printer per card,
and no input. And of course, much faster, since it's parallel with
handshaking.
The Unibus controller I used at work, and later at home, with an LA180
was an LS11. I don't remember if it was interrupt-per-character as
well, but since it was fairly non-dense TTL logic, I'd assume it was.
It fared very well on my 11/34 running (at the time) RSX. In the
mid-1980s, I was the first person to turn in high-school homework on
printer paper. Even some of the teachers were asking what kind of
"typewriter" made such "strange-looking print". ;)
You've reminded me of how I was the only person a teacher knew
who did a science project narrated by Microsoft Sam.
DECtalk, Stephen Hawkings' voice, would have been much cooler!
I know...but I didn't know about it at the time. :(
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 01/16/2014 04:38 AM, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
I'd love a daisy wheel! Are there any which will hook up to a vax
4000? Though I remember collecting my printouts from the sysop in 1st
year 1991 and you could hear the line printers grinding away. Need
230 (ish) volts too.
Many (most?) daisy-wheel printers will easily interface to VAXen of
most any model. Most have serial interfaces.
I've never seen nor heard of one that *requires* 230V, BTW.
Basically size doesnt matter, as I will have to pay for a pallet,
regardless of whats on it.
There were once so many DEC LQP02 daisy-wheel printers floating around
that people were dumpstering them by the dozen. I personally gave away
about fifteen of them. They were great printers, but laser printers
really killed the daisy-wheel market. The LQP02 is a re-badged Juki
6100, which is an excellent design.
I have a Tandy-branded daisy-wheel printer that I'd give you, but I'm
none too keen on packing and shipping it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> writes:
Hello!
Before we completely beat Multinet down with cudgels and assorted
sharp things, I have a question or two:
For one thing, Eisner is who? (What specialty does this machine do?)
And for another how did the machine in question get named?
Eisner is the DECUSserve system originally sanctioned by DECUS many years
ago. DECUSserve has been many different architectures over the years but
it is now an Alpha running OpenVMS.
Eisner refers to the late Dan Eisner who was instrumental in developing
the DECUSserve concept/system.
I can cite complex examples behind why my machines get their names,
its almost a definite cause to change the subject.
Star Wars? Star Trek? Dr. Who? Dr. Seuss?? :)
Once those are answered we can go back to beating that protocol model
with those things.
16lbs slegdehammer coming your way. Pound it down.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Best DEC story every. You win HECnet.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 16 Jan 2014, at 18:44, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/16/2014 01:42 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It *almost* makes me want to get the missus to drape herself over an
Alphaserver, or such like... ;)
We may be skirting the edge here, but I've Done The Deed atop a VAX-8700.
It's now Sridhar's machine, but it was thoroughly cleaned. =)
Oh yes, I should note the other DEC tie-in: The other, erm,
"participant" was the daughter of a fairly early former DEC hardware
designer; he did (amongst other things) the KMC11, if memory serves.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Damned sorry I turned my future wife down for a similar thing back at Pyramid... I was sure someone would walk past the computer room's big glass windows when I worked there.
Would've been something to remember.
Good old days... but someone was always working late or on weekends... Field service always came in for parts or someone from training would be in to prep a machine up.
(which was the main reason I was there then...)
I don't think on top of the MIServer was possible without a step stool or ladder to get up there though and the MIS2 box was low enough but too damned small.
Bill
--
d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
pechter-at-gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/16/2014 10:01 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
> It *almost* makes me want to get the missus to drape herself over an
> Alphaserver, or such like... ;)
We may be skirting the edge here, but I've Done The Deed atop a VAX-8700.
It's now Sridhar's machine, but it was thoroughly cleaned. =)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/16/2014 01:42 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It *almost* makes me want to get the missus to drape herself over an
Alphaserver, or such like... ;)
We may be skirting the edge here, but I've Done The Deed atop a VAX-8700.
It's now Sridhar's machine, but it was thoroughly cleaned. =)
Oh yes, I should note the other DEC tie-in: The other, erm,
"participant" was the daughter of a fairly early former DEC hardware
designer; he did (amongst other things) the KMC11, if memory serves.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
