On 11/20/2012 09:28 AM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Well I could use a copy of AIX370....
If you could, you'd be the first! What a waste of a perfectly good
mainframe.
I have to agree. I love UNIX, but running anything other than MVS on
something like that, or maybe VM, is just a sin.
Why not as a VM guest?
Well I thought that was sorta implied. :)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Be careful when you disparage it. AIX/370 could do some good stuff and I know of a number of firms swore by it for their engineering development teams. One large semi-conductor firm used it for all the simulation of an extremely large processor in the 1980s. At the time, they claimed no other system could handle it. In fact because of the support for process migration and rolling upgrades they keep the simulation running across some upgrades to the system.
BTW; AIX/370 and AIX/PS2 are actually similar (much in common) code base. They were developed by Locus Computing Corp for IBM by the late Gerry Popek. Check out his and Bruce Walker's book: http://www.amazon.com/Distributed-System-Architecture-Computer-Systems/dp/0… for the details.
The really cool thing that these versions of AIX supplied was TCF - the Transparent Computing Facility. A total of 32 nodes of 370s and PS/2 could be "clustered" into a "single system image" and operated as a single computing environment (yes root on a PS/2 gave you root on the 370). I once saw some one unbox and plug a brand new PS2 into the network. He put a boot floppy in it, turn it on and with that have it "join" the cluster. In the background it populated its disk using replication.
Although neither VMS nor Tru64 would never completely match everything TCF could do, (they never had the full process migration stuff), Locus did sell some of the technology to DEC and it would land make it into TruClusters and DEC would develop similar things for VMS.
Check out: www.openSSI.org The technology still is around, although Beowulf style clusters (which are not full SSI) have usurped the market. Which is actually real shame. AIX/370, VMS, and TruClusters were really ahead of anything we have practically speaking today. I miss full SSI and a cluster where I can move process anywhere - I just saw one giant resource.
Clem
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
> According to Wikipedia, AIX/ESA will run as host or guest on System/370... if I read it right.
>
> --
> Mark Benson
>
> http://markbenson.org/blog
> http://twitter.com/MDBenson
>
> On 20 Nov 2012, at 14:28, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dave McGuire wrote:
>>>>> Well I could use a copy of AIX370....
>>>>
>>>> If you could, you'd be the first! What a waste of a perfectly good mainframe.
>>>
>>> I have to agree. I love UNIX, but running anything other than MVS on
>>> something like that, or maybe VM, is just a sin.
>>
>> Why not as a VM guest?
>>
>> Peace... Sridhar
>>
Hello!
Close but no noxious smoking device Mark.
That was AIX/ESA. I'm talking about AIX/370. And according to one
associate on another two lists, (One I manage.) that one ran on one
specific customer's machines in the same area that one of our
associates is based in.
If John Wilson is correct and it also ran on the mainframe there,
sharing space with the MTS setup then it adds to the mysteries behind
the product.
And to add the the amusement I also met a family of machines running
ESA grade operating systems, a good long time ago, also a crowd of
RS/6000 machines and a very unhappy IBMer. The surprised look the
woman gave me was worth it.
This was the same time when Ultrix was announced for the VAX, and then
work was being started on the Alpha family, especially since I saw a
couple of MIPS based workstations then as well.
And speaking of that, there are materials available on the TUHS ftp
site for it.......
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 11/20/2012 10:23 AM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
According to Wikipedia, AIX/ESA will run as host or guest on System/370... if I read it right.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 20 Nov 2012, at 14:28, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
Well I could use a copy of AIX370....
If you could, you'd be the first! What a waste of a perfectly good mainframe.
I have to agree. I love UNIX, but running anything other than MVS on
something like that, or maybe VM, is just a sin.
Why not as a VM guest?
Peace... Sridhar
Hello!
Close but no noxious smoking device Mark.
That was AIX/ESA. I'm talking about AIX/370. And according to one
associate on another two lists, (One I manage.) that one ran on one
specific customer's machines in the same area that one of our
associates is based in.
If John Wilson is correct and it also ran on the mainframe there,
sharing space with the MTS setup then it adds to the mysteries behind
the product.
And to add the the amusement I also met a family of machines running
ESA grade operating systems, a good long time ago, also a crowd of
RS/6000 machines and a very unhappy IBMer. The surprised look the
woman gave me was worth it.
To add to the data points, PSU ran AIX in a VM on their 370 as well. It may have been AIX/ESA instead of AIX/370 as I don't remember the particulars anymore.
-brian
Not to take over the DIgital group but did anyone here ever run the Amdahl unix on 370??
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:14, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
According to Wikipedia, AIX/ESA will run as host or guest on System/370... if I read it right.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 20 Nov 2012, at 14:28, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
Well I could use a copy of AIX370....
If you could, you'd be the first! What a waste of a perfectly good mainframe.
I have to agree. I love UNIX, but running anything other than MVS on
something like that, or maybe VM, is just a sin.
Why not as a VM guest?
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
According to Wikipedia, AIX/ESA will run as host or guest on System/370... if I read it right.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 20 Nov 2012, at 14:28, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
Well I could use a copy of AIX370....
If you could, you'd be the first! What a waste of a perfectly good mainframe.
I have to agree. I love UNIX, but running anything other than MVS on
something like that, or maybe VM, is just a sin.
Why not as a VM guest?
Peace... Sridhar
Hello!
Close but no noxious smoking device Mark.
That was AIX/ESA. I'm talking about AIX/370. And according to one
associate on another two lists, (One I manage.) that one ran on one
specific customer's machines in the same area that one of our
associates is based in.
If John Wilson is correct and it also ran on the mainframe there,
sharing space with the MTS setup then it adds to the mysteries behind
the product.
And to add the the amusement I also met a family of machines running
ESA grade operating systems, a good long time ago, also a crowd of
RS/6000 machines and a very unhappy IBMer. The surprised look the
woman gave me was worth it.
This was the same time when Ultrix was announced for the VAX, and then
work was being started on the Alpha family, especially since I saw a
couple of MIPS based workstations then as well.
And speaking of that, there are materials available on the TUHS ftp
site for it.......
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
According to Wikipedia, AIX/ESA will run as host or guest on System/370... if I read it right.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 20 Nov 2012, at 14:28, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
Well I could use a copy of AIX370....
If you could, you'd be the first! What a waste of a perfectly good mainframe.
I have to agree. I love UNIX, but running anything other than MVS on
something like that, or maybe VM, is just a sin.
Why not as a VM guest?
Peace... Sridhar
Lots on bitsavers.org
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 20, 2012, at 9:34, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 20 Nov 2012, at 09:28, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
Well I could use a copy of AIX370....
If you could, you'd be the first! What a waste of a perfectly good mainframe.
I have to agree. I love UNIX, but running anything other than MVS on
something like that, or maybe VM, is just a sin.
Why not as a VM guest?
Speaking of "as a VM guest", anyone have useful VM docs?
Peace... Sridhar
On 20 Nov 2012, at 09:28, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
Well I could use a copy of AIX370....
If you could, you'd be the first! What a waste of a perfectly good mainframe.
I have to agree. I love UNIX, but running anything other than MVS on
something like that, or maybe VM, is just a sin.
Why not as a VM guest?
Speaking of "as a VM guest", anyone have useful VM docs?
Peace... Sridhar
Dave McGuire wrote:
Well I could use a copy of AIX370....
If you could, you'd be the first! What a waste of a perfectly good mainframe.
I have to agree. I love UNIX, but running anything other than MVS on
something like that, or maybe VM, is just a sin.
Why not as a VM guest?
Peace... Sridhar
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 17:57
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: 'Stuart Martin'
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Joining hecnet
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 19 November 2012 20:00
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: Stuart Martin
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Joining hecnet
On 2012-11-19 19:15, Stuart Martin wrote:
On 19 November 2012 18:07, Jerome Ibanes <jibanes at gmail.com
<mailto:jibanes at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,
I have an openvms 7.3-2/vax and 8.4/alpha
workstations I would
like
to
attach to the hecnet network. I have a static IP and
the bridge
setup,
although I imagine I would need a hecnet node-name
and number at
this
point.
hi folks.
"me too": I've got an alphaserver with OpenVMS 8.4 ready to roll.
I've got Rob Jarratt's router running on a spare linux box
(raspberry pi, since you asked) because I don't have a static IP.
The router code's not configured yet.
I'm a DECnet newbie, so would appreciate some abbreviated hecnet
directions if any exist (and if not, a pointer to just go
away and
read the DECnet manuals is equally welcome).
I'm in the UK. Is hecnet organised by geographic region?
Like already answered, HECnet is not organized that way.
As for connecting, if you have Jarratt's code up and running, you
might
want
to try and hook up with him?
Other questions to figure out is if you are going in a new area, or
connecting
into an existing one.
This matters both since if you are using an existing area,
you need to
use
the
same area as the next person you connect to.
If you go for your own area, you instead need an area
router on your
side, and a connection to another area router.
And then we have the question about node names, which is
more loosely
regulated. It's pretty much a question of picking names not
already in
use.
Having a dynamic IP address is a cause for some problems.
Let's see if
Jarratt's router will handle it well.
Johnny
The point about the router I wrote is that if you have a
dynamic IP address it needs the *peer* to use it. That is
because it periodically queries DNS (in a non-blocking
manner) for your IP address. Clearly there will be a period
after an IP address change when the router will send packets
to the wrong address, but the poll period can be set to
whatever period you wish.
The router will interoperate with the bridge, I run it here
and I don't think anyone on HECnet notices a difference other
than that it does not implement other protocols, so you can't
SET HOST to it for example. So there is no specific need to
peer with me, but I am happy to do so, if you want to peer
with me give me your DNS name and port number, mine is
jarratt.dyndns.org:4713 (one limitation I ought to fix is the
need for a separate port for each peer). Note that since I
connect to the rest of HECnet via Johnny, and he is not using
the router, I could lose connectivity to HECnet if my IP
address changes, because I too have a dynamic IP address, but
luckily my ISP does not make it change often.
The router works as an area router so you might need to have
your own area.
It can also work as a non-area router, and this configuration
has not been tested quite as much.
Regards
Rob
Currently, we have two (2) Multinet Tunnel Routers that can deal with
Dynamic IP Addresses. One is in the US (SG1::) , and the other is in
the UK (GORVAX::). If you are running Multinet then the other end just
does the magic. The polling interval is configurable so downtime can be
minimized. No special configuration is required on your part. Contact
me directly if you wish to go this route.
Regards,
-Steve
