With this in mind, I'm considering adding an opt-out system for the HECnet
info system on RHESUS, maybe a NOINFO.TXT file in the public FAL directory
and it won't run the NCP SHOW EXECs?
Or is everyone OK with what RHESUS is doing now?
That kind of depends on what exactly RHESUS is doing now.
I'm quite happy for anyone on HECnet to send commands to my NML servers or
to make information from my systems available to others on HECnet. However
I am nervous of making this information available to anyone who wants it on
the wider internet, particularly if it is a spur of the moment kind of thing
which is changing by the hour without much thought being given to the
implications.
I don't think opt-out is a good way to go. People who have not carefully combed
through the 80 plus mails to the mailing list today will not realise that they
are being required to opt out from something that they did not know they were
opting in to.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
If we could agree to keep things more on topic and to put more thought
into
it before banging off a quick message to the list, I wonder would that
reduce
the need for a digest mode?
No.
Fair enough.
And it's far easier to implement digest than get users to behave.
If there is a problem with the way people are behaving, I think it is better
to try to encourage and reward better behaviour than to try to accomodate it.
Digest is less desirable if you are active on the list and can do it
often. When there are high
volumes of traffic you only want to read, digest becomes more desirable.
Also fair enough.
However, if the list becomes a high volume discussion of anything and
everything, I will be unsubscribing and those that want that can continue on.
You can still get individual msgs if you want them. Why take the option
away from someone else?
I spent a bit of time composing my posting and I thought I carefully avoided
giving the impression that I wanted to take away any option from anyone. I'm
more interested in seeing why people want digest mode (as I said, I am having
difficulty in seeing the attraction it clearly has for some) and whether we
are trying to solve a problem that will still be there after a digest mode is
made available.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
On 2012-12-17 19:26, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Dec 17, 2012, at 13:20, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 01:18 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Yes. Exactly that. :)
I would LOVE to see that running.
My attempt to do it in DCL failed but I think I've got how to do it. Just need to find a reasonable way to access NCP.
You *could* just output NCP command results to files, and parse that... :-)
Johnny
On Dec 17, 2012, at 13:20, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 01:18 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Yes. Exactly that. :)
I would LOVE to see that running.
My attempt to do it in DCL failed but I think I've got how to do it. Just need to find a reasonable way to access NCP.
-brian
On 12/17/2012 01:18 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Yes. Exactly that. :)
I would LOVE to see that running.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
That would rock. Let me know when you get it working :)
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:18, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:03, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 17 Dec 2012, at 11:58, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:56 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Yes. Exactly that. :)
Is there a way to access NCP from a library so I can write it in something like C?
-brian
Once upon a time, Peter Coghlan allegedly said
Do people really want digest mode here?
Yes (for me, at least - I always have!). And an archive of past
messages
would be really nice...
I've never see the attraction of digest mode. People who are not on digest
reply to topics of interest immediately. People on digest reply hours or
days
later when everyone else has lost interest. Sometimes they end up replying
with the subject of the digest instead of the subject of the posting they
are
replying to. Topics become very disjointed.
I just shove hecnet mails in a VMS MAIL folder as they arrive and I have
an
instant message archive. This works ok provided there isn't too much
off-topic
stuff so I don't have to decide what to keep and what to toss.
If we could agree to keep things more on topic and to put more thought
into
it before banging off a quick message to the list, I wonder would that
reduce
the need for a digest mode?
No. And it's far easier to implement digest than get users to behave.
Digest is less desirable if you are active on the list and can do it
often. When there are high
volumes of traffic you only want to read, digest becomes more desirable.
You can still get individual msgs if you want them. Why take the option
away from someone else?
Phil
--
"There is some truth in your fiction,
and some fiction in your truth." -- Animatrix
On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:03, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 17 Dec 2012, at 11:58, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:56 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is:
http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com
Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays...
Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool?
How often to you update your node database?
I really do need to get back to my mapping utility. I've given up on scripting it since the lack of recursion is kinda killing me.
Oooooh! Mapping! Do you mean a map of all HECnet nodes and how they interconnect?
Yes. Exactly that. :)
Is there a way to access NCP from a library so I can write it in something like C?
-brian
With this in mind, I'm considering adding an opt-out system for the HECnet info system on RHESUS, maybe a NOINFO.TXT file in the public FAL directory and it won't run the NCP SHOW EXECs?
Or is everyone OK with what RHESUS is doing now?
sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:15, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I know that you weren't personally attacking me of course, no offence taken :)
I'm aware of the privacy considerations but for now, I find it a very useful and easy to use tool.
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:13, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 12:53 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I don't disagree with any of that, but just run NoScript when accessing RHESUS then :)
It won't break anything, it's a tiny hobby site and I am not a professional sysadmin so Google Analytics is an easy choice for me.
I'm not trashing you at all, and I'm sorry if I came across that way.
I do a lot of data security work these days, and some of the stuff I
see in the field just horrifies me. Google is the data version of The
Borg, and all it takes is one corporate paradigm shift..
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I know that you weren't personally attacking me of course, no offence taken :)
I'm aware of the privacy considerations but for now, I find it a very useful and easy to use tool.
Sampsa
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:13, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2012 12:53 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I don't disagree with any of that, but just run NoScript when accessing RHESUS then :)
It won't break anything, it's a tiny hobby site and I am not a professional sysadmin so Google Analytics is an easy choice for me.
I'm not trashing you at all, and I'm sorry if I came across that way.
I do a lot of data security work these days, and some of the stuff I
see in the field just horrifies me. Google is the data version of The
Borg, and all it takes is one corporate paradigm shift..
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
