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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/17/2012 12:53 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: I don't disagree with any of that, but just run NoScript when accessing RHESUS then :) It won't break anything, it's a tiny hobby site and I am not a professional sysadmin so Google Analytics is an easy choice for me. I'm not trashing you at all, and I'm sorry if I came across that way. I do a lot of data security work these days, and some of the stuff I see in the field just horrifies me. Google is the data version of The Borg, and all it takes is one corporate paradigm shift.. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by b4＠gewt.net

On 17 Dec 2012, at 12:49, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/17/2012 12:39 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Automagically generated charts. Analog, Webalizer...lots of others. All of them have been doing this for more than fifteen years. I know, but they need to be set up, which is slightly less automagic for a lazy sysadmin. ;) Setup is like five minutes. A sysadmin THAT lazy should not be trusted with root. I agree with that. I'm coming up with some ideas for helping someone migrate away from google analytics now. Seriously man. Also, some people prefer out-of-band analytics. I'd be fine with webaizer or analog personally, I have google analytics set up but i never use it. Mind I get about 1 hit/year... I'd like to see a convincing argument for running the analytics out-of-band. I can come up with some reasons, but they're not exactly /convincing/. Analytics data would be less susceptible to failure of personal infrastructure. (I've seen logging break firsthand before I don't get how I can manage to break logging). Some people just like to slow down page load time by requiring data be sent somewhere else. ;) Not trying to be argumentative...but too many people these days in this business insist on things for the sake of insisting on something, without anything to back them up. I am not accusing YOU of this of course, as you've mentioned that you don't use it. The only time I enjoy this is when I paid to clean up the resultant mess. ;) Google offers these services because they want any and all data that they can get their paws on. It is far from high-minded community service thinking. First they offer free email, now they've got your email. Next they offer free office "web apps", now they have your business documents. Now your web traffic stats. Which is why I want to migrate away from gmail. ;) Mind you, I don't think Google as a company is evil, but they employ a LOT of people, and a LOT of people have access to those databases. Further, Google has a history of just rolling over when the federal government demands information. Oh noes! The government knows that I sometimes visit my website with IE 3. ;) (I see the problem here, just needed to make a joke) I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind being comfortable with this, especially when respectable, self-contained, state-of-the-art network services can be set up with 100% free software on hardware that can be picked up on the curb on trash day. I'm definitely losing the appeal of the google kook-aid, ;) </soapbox> -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Dave, I don't disagree with any of that, but just run NoScript when accessing RHESUS then :) It won't break anything, it's a tiny hobby site and I am not a professional sysadmin so Google Analytics is an easy choice for me. Sampsa

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/17/2012 12:39 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Automagically generated charts. Analog, Webalizer...lots of others. All of them have been doing this for more than fifteen years. I know, but they need to be set up, which is slightly less automagic for a lazy sysadmin. ;) Setup is like five minutes. A sysadmin THAT lazy should not be trusted with root. Seriously man. Also, some people prefer out-of-band analytics. I'd be fine with webaizer or analog personally, I have google analytics set up but i never use it. Mind I get about 1 hit/year... I'd like to see a convincing argument for running the analytics out-of-band. Not trying to be argumentative...but too many people these days in this business insist on things for the sake of insisting on something, without anything to back them up. I am not accusing YOU of this of course, as you've mentioned that you don't use it. The only time I enjoy this is when I paid to clean up the resultant mess. ;) Google offers these services because they want any and all data that they can get their paws on. It is far from high-minded community service thinking. First they offer free email, now they've got your email. Next they offer free office "web apps", now they have your business documents. Now your web traffic stats. Mind you, I don't think Google as a company is evil, but they employ a LOT of people, and a LOT of people have access to those databases. Further, Google has a history of just rolling over when the federal government demands information. I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind being comfortable with this, especially when respectable, self-contained, state-of-the-art network services can be set up with 100% free software on hardware that can be picked up on the curb on trash day. </soapbox> -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by b4＠gewt.net

On 17 Dec 2012, at 12:36, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/17/2012 12:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Yes, if you do a view source you'll see the Javascript that sends info to my analytics account. Ugh! Why do something over the net, when you have the same information accessible in your logs already? Automagically generated charts. Analog, Webalizer...lots of others. All of them have been doing this for more than fifteen years. I know, but they need to be set up, which is slightly less automagic for a lazy sysadmin. ;) Also, some people prefer out-of-band analytics. I'd be fine with webaizer or analog personally, I have google analytics set up but i never use it. Mind I get about 1 hit/year... -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/17/2012 12:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Yes, if you do a view source you'll see the Javascript that sends info to my analytics account. Ugh! Why do something over the net, when you have the same information accessible in your logs already? Automagically generated charts. Analog, Webalizer...lots of others. All of them have been doing this for more than fifteen years. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by sampsa＠mac.com

I like the interface, and it's easy :) Sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:31, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 18:29, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Yes, if you do a view source you'll see the Javascript that sends info to my analytics account. Ugh! Why do something over the net, when you have the same information accessible in your logs already? Johnny sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 18:27, sampsa at mac.com wrote: 10 unique visits in the last month :) But that is just what they know, and they hardly knows of my visits just now... Or do you have some widget on that place that sends information on to Google? Johnny sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 18:21, sampsa at mac.com wrote: RHESUS isn't exactly a high-visibility web site - I can post the Google Analytics data here every month if you guys want it :) What does the Google Analytics say? Johnny Sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:20, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 18:17, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Johnny, How about this - http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com?q=labvax It's a tad slower now due to the extra NCPs, but works? Yes. That is some useful information, or atleast I think so. But I don't know if others might disagree, or if they might thing it is giving out too much information? Johnny sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:09, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Sure - I just need to work out the UI, the actual execution of this is trivial :) Sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 17:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote: I try to do it weekly - I _THINK_ Steve Davidson set up a script to do it automatically once a week, but I suppose I could add a batch job to do it daily automatically too. Ah, yes. It was Steve who have something automated. He polls a file on MIM to get a node list, checking when that file was last modified. Maybe Steve can share that, if he hasn't already... What more NCP info would you like to see? NCP SHO NOD <foobar> STATUS could be useful perhaps? However, it is less so when the node is several hops away. You could be clever and traverse until you get next to it... Or something like NCP TELL <foobar> SHO EXEC could be something. Both CHARACTERISTICS and COUNTERS? There are many things that can be done. :-) Johnny Sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:56, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote: RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays... Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool? How often to you update your node database? Johnny sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:40, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: Well, I figured it might be fun for people to know that there are, as of this moment, 405 known node names at MIM. Not bad... I know there are some more coming in, and in general, there is a steady stream of new registrations. Speaking of which, is noone running a phase V area router? (Or could phase V not even be an area router?) Johnny

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/17/2012 12:31 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2012-12-17 18:29, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Yes, if you do a view source you'll see the Javascript that sends info to my analytics account. Ugh! Why do something over the net, when you have the same information accessible in your logs already? Because Google really, really, REALLY wants any and all data that it can get its hands on! Seriously guys. Analog or Webalizer takes like five minutes to set up, and doesn't give all of your hit data to the world's largest data mining operation. (along with all of your search histories, business documents, usenet traffic, email..) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by b4＠gewt.net

On 17 Dec 2012, at 12:31, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 18:29, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Yes, if you do a view source you'll see the Javascript that sends info to my analytics account. Ugh! Why do something over the net, when you have the same information accessible in your logs already? Automagically generated charts. Johnny sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:29, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 18:27, sampsa at mac.com wrote: 10 unique visits in the last month :) But that is just what they know, and they hardly knows of my visits just now... Or do you have some widget on that place that sends information on to Google? Johnny sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 18:21, sampsa at mac.com wrote: RHESUS isn't exactly a high-visibility web site - I can post the Google Analytics data here every month if you guys want it :) What does the Google Analytics say? Johnny Sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:20, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 18:17, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Johnny, How about this - http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com?q=labvax It's a tad slower now due to the extra NCPs, but works? Yes. That is some useful information, or atleast I think so. But I don't know if others might disagree, or if they might thing it is giving out too much information? Johnny sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:09, sampsa at mac.com wrote: Sure - I just need to work out the UI, the actual execution of this is trivial :) Sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 17:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote: I try to do it weekly - I _THINK_ Steve Davidson set up a script to do it automatically once a week, but I suppose I could add a batch job to do it daily automatically too. Ah, yes. It was Steve who have something automated. He polls a file on MIM to get a node list, checking when that file was last modified. Maybe Steve can share that, if he hasn't already... What more NCP info would you like to see? NCP SHO NOD <foobar> STATUS could be useful perhaps? However, it is less so when the node is several hops away. You could be clever and traverse until you get next to it... Or something like NCP TELL <foobar> SHO EXEC could be something. Both CHARACTERISTICS and COUNTERS? There are many things that can be done. :-) Johnny Sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:56, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2012-12-17 17:42, sampsa at mac.com wrote: RHESUS serves node info on these by the way, the URL is: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com Rather cute. I could do that on MIM nowadays... Maybe some more information from NCP on what it knows could be cool? How often to you update your node database? Johnny sampsa On 17 Dec 2012, at 18:40, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: Well, I figured it might be fun for people to know that there are, as of this moment, 405 known node names at MIM. Not bad... I know there are some more coming in, and in general, there is a steady stream of new registrations. Speaking of which, is noone running a phase V area router? (Or could phase V not even be an area router?) Johnny

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by b4＠gewt.net

On 17 Dec 2012, at 12:26, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 17 Dec 2012, at 12:23, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: I'm up for helping out in any way needed. This leads me to one thing I've been thinking about - we should maybe pool in to rent a VPS or even a dedicated server and set up a VPN service on it. That way people who are behind dynamic IPs / weird NAT setups etc can VPN into the virtual LAN running on the VPS and connect via MULTINET / the bridge etc. Just an idea. I have a pretty beefy VMware host machine here, and a pool of static addresses. I can set this up here, for someone else to manage preferably, no rent required. What VPN solution would be used? Some ISPs block IPSEC, OpenVPN could brave mildly challenging to implement, or PPTP could be used. Spin up a VM with pfSense and I can handle VPN admin from there I believe. (Yeah, it can operate as something funkier than an edge router) Make that two, one for a simh instance, and one for pfSense. Use pfSense for the VPN endpoint, and configure a LAN between the simh VM and the pfSense VM, then let pfSense interact with the outside network in some way. I think i can do this. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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