On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
sampsa at mac.com writes:
Clem,
Mark Benson has already volunteered to make the cables at cost - I just
need to know if the console cables are wired straight across or
crossover?
DECconnects are a flat 6-conductor cable. The MMJ plugs are attached such
that the same side of the flat cable is inserted into each MMJ plug. This
provides an implicit signal crossover. So, if your 6 conductor cable had
White, Black, Red, Green, Yellow, Gray conductors, one side would show the
colors as I've listed them and the other side would be Gray, Yellow, Green,
Red, Black and White.
I thought I've seen straight-through version also, which you can make by having one of the two connectors "upside down".
paul
On 21 Dec 2012, at 13:35, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 21 Dec 2012, at 20:34, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
I intend to keep my NT systems (or at least 1 of them) on HECnet at all times, as a part of my "NT 4 will run forever" experiment.
Does the NT PATHWORKS actually offer any services? Or is it client only?
Seems to be client only. :(
I wonder if I could throw up an interface to PATHWORKS' NCP on http://winnt.dev.gimme-sympathy.org/
I'd need to know ASP first as I highly doubt i'd get much else to work on IIS that old. ;)
sampsa
On 21 Dec 2012, at 20:34, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
I intend to keep my NT systems (or at least 1 of them) on HECnet at all times, as a part of my "NT 4 will run forever" experiment.
Does the NT PATHWORKS actually offer any services? Or is it client only?
sampsa
On 21 Dec 2012, at 06:44, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Dec 2012, at 08:58, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Hey there's been a Windows NT box on HECnet for ages, BONZO (8.800)
Two, actually, 6.11 (BGATES) (cute name, huh?) is a Windows XP box running HP PathWorks It works acceptably but as it's a dual PIII with 1GB of RAM it's not the fastest thing on two legs by a long chalk.
It's just not been up very much :)
Mine either. There's really only so much you can do with a Windows box on DECnet.
I intend to keep my NT systems (or at least 1 of them) on HECnet at all times, as a part of my "NT 4 will run forever" experiment.
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sampsa at mac.com writes:
Clem,
Mark Benson has already volunteered to make the cables at cost - I just
need to know if the console cables are wired straight across or
crossover?
DECconnects are a flat 6-conductor cable. The MMJ plugs are attached such
that the same side of the flat cable is inserted into each MMJ plug. This
provides an implicit signal crossover. So, if your 6 conductor cable had
White, Black, Red, Green, Yellow, Gray conductors, one side would show the
colors as I've listed them and the other side would be Gray, Yellow, Green,
Red, Black and White.
--
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 21 Dec 2012, at 16:26, Mark Wickens wrote:
I charge my cables based on 50p per metre of cable plus 25p for each of the MMJ terminations. I can do other terminations such as RJ45 and DB9 but they are more expensive, especially if they require cross-wiring. I don't think that's unreasonable given the investment I made to in equipment and parts and the time it takes me to make and test each cable.
You'll be a millyonaire by christmas I tell ya...
Yes, I will, but which Christmas is anyone's guess. Current estimates are around 2347... if the Yeti's don't get me first. ;)
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On 21/12/2012 16:25, Mark Benson wrote:
On 21 Dec 2012, at 14:55, Clem Cole wrote:
Good point, I took a DEC tool and turned the plate around for Mind Storms hacking. But my point is that the tools and plugs are findable - as they are even on amazon.
They are findable, I have them and I only bought them a few months ago, but the investment required to get started is significant. The cable is only available in either short lengths to order (which is expensive ) or 100m drums (which his cheaper but involves significant outlay). The plugs are readily available on eBay - probably not the finest quality but good enough for what we need. The crimp tools... well finding a good one took a while but they, again, a significant outlay even for a basic one.
I charge my cables based on 50p per metre of cable plus 25p for each of the MMJ terminations. I can do other terminations such as RJ45 and DB9 but they are more expensive, especially if they require cross-wiring. I don't think that's unreasonable given the investment I made to in equipment and parts and the time it takes me to make and test each cable.
You'll be a millyonaire by christmas I tell ya...
On 21 Dec 2012, at 14:55, Clem Cole wrote:
Good point, I took a DEC tool and turned the plate around for Mind Storms hacking. But my point is that the tools and plugs are findable - as they are even on amazon.
They are findable, I have them and I only bought them a few months ago, but the investment required to get started is significant. The cable is only available in either short lengths to order (which is expensive ) or 100m drums (which his cheaper but involves significant outlay). The plugs are readily available on eBay - probably not the finest quality but good enough for what we need. The crimp tools... well finding a good one took a while but they, again, a significant outlay even for a basic one.
I charge my cables based on 50p per metre of cable plus 25p for each of the MMJ terminations. I can do other terminations such as RJ45 and DB9 but they are more expensive, especially if they require cross-wiring. I don't think that's unreasonable given the investment I made to in equipment and parts and the time it takes me to make and test each cable.
--
Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
HECnet: STAR69::MARK
Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.
On 21/12/2012 14:43, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Clem,
Mark Benson has already volunteered to make the cables at cost - I just need to know if the console cables are wired straight across or crossover?
Console cables are crossover, so as you hold the connectors in the same orientation the wires run in opposite order.
Regards Mark (consulting a real-life BC16E-10 to be sure)
