Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 12/23/2012 05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > As i'm not getting
anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd > try something else:
older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;) > > 1). What would be
the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where > would I get
install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am not sure. At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to 3.0. Let me know
if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for featurefulness.
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
V7.3 should run on it.
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Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 12/23/2012 05:44 PM, Steve Davidson wrote: > While the 4.7 system is
good, personally, I would go with a version 5 > system. V5.5 or
V5.5-4 would be my choice. It has so many more > capabilities and
toys/tools!
But oohhhhh soooo painfully slow compared to v4.7. You wouldn't
believe the complaints I endured from my users on Monday after spending
all weekend doing an upgrade to 5.0. They loved me before that!
??? Slower? V50 introduced the modular exec.
Personally, I'd get up V6.1. Many improvements on the many look-aside
list algorithms.
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Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Hey everyone!
As i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd =
try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try?
V1.0
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On 12/23/2012 01:37 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Yup, I'll probably create an account for you with sudo tomorrow, and then you can have a look at it.
The NAME->IP resolution works fine, if you could just turn that into IP->NAME I'd be very grateful.
Sounds good; let me know.
-Dave
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On 23 Dec 2012, at 17:32, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
Al 23/12/12 23:21, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit:
i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator.;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try?
2). Where would I get install media for these older versions
You could try to build a VMS 4.7 system. To do that you will have to build a 4.6 and then upgrade it (IIRC 4.6 has also a mandatory update to apply). Previous to do that you will need to make a stand alone backup bootable kit. I made a bootable tape image using a running openVMS 7.3 system so I was able to boot STANDALONE BACKUP in the 780. Alfter that you can restore then 4.6 tape and boot it to install the rest of 4.6 and later upgrade to 4.7.
Can you explain this process a bit more? I'm not too good with VMS backup stuff or writing VMS bootblobs to things. ;)
You will find 4.7 in the 780 simulator boots really fast ;)
The kits and some layered products are available at ftp.trailing-edge.com.
Good luck!
sampsa at mac.com writes:
I did.
Several times.
With different googled guides and example formats.
What does a 'dig @bind.server.IP.address some.internal.hostname' show?
What does a 'dig -x @bind.server.IP.address some.internal.IP.address' show?
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On 12/23/2012 06:06 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
The VAX-11/750 was (is) a DOG!
It's a dog that I love, and that particular one did an awful lot of
real work at my former employer's facility. Running 4.7, it'd support a
dozen scientists logged in all day long running simulations in FORTRAN.
That was one of the most dependable computers I've ever been exposed
to. I took good care of it, but it took good care of me too.
4.7 probably ran ok on that system.
It did.
5.x not so much.
Yup.
My office machine was a MicroVAX-II/GPX (dual head) with
16 megs of memory. I still have that machine - I was able to take it
home when I left DEC. The 3600's ran just fine.
Both the UVAX-II and 3600 class machines ran fine standalone or, as part
of a cluster.
Very nice!
I've run many a MicroVAX over a lotta years, and until this moment I
considered myself to know just about everything about
them...but...Dual-head?! How? Both a VCB01 and a VCB02 maybe? Or can
you move a VCB02 to a different CSR and tell DECwindows to find it? Do
tell!
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
The VAX-11/750 was (is) a DOG! 4.7 probably ran ok on that system. 5.x
not so much. My office machine was a MicroVAX-II/GPX (dual head) with
16 megs of memory. I still have that machine - I was able to take it
home when I left DEC. The 3600's ran just fine.
Both the UVAX-II and 3600 class machines ran fine standalone or, as part
of a cluster.
-Steve
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I tuned and tuned. I'm pretty good at tuning VMS, but I
never could get it back to pre-5.0 speeds. Of course it sped
up a lot in later releases as you said. The last I ran in
production was 5.4.
Our hardware was a VAX-11/750, a MicroVAX-II, two
MicroVAX-3600s. The first two machines were cleared for
classified processing, so upgrading them to newer hardware
would've been a years-long process. They're probably still there.
-Dave
On 12/23/2012 05:58 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Tuning IS everything...
That said, V5.0 was (is) slow, but 5.5 is not. I ran it on
VAX-11/780, VAX-11/782, VAX-11/785 and 8000 class machines.
The ONLY
complaint I ever had was disk space (or lack thereof).
Remember that
this was a development environment in DEC at ZKO (Spitbrook Rd,
Nashua, NH) and those users wanted the fastest at all times - no
excuses! Again, tuning IS everything...
-Steve
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On 12/23/2012 05:44 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
While the 4.7 system is good, personally, I would go with
a version
5 system. V5.5 or V5.5-4 would be my choice. It has so
many more
capabilities and toys/tools!
But oohhhhh soooo painfully slow compared to v4.7. You wouldn't
believe the complaints I endured from my users on Monday after
spending all weekend doing an upgrade to 5.0.
They loved me before that!
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
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On 23 Dec 2012, at 17:59, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/23/2012 05:56 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
As i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd
try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where
would I get install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am not sure. At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to 3.0. Let me know
if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
Please upload them, I am quite interested in older VMS.
I don't want to squirt them around publicly. Do you have a place on
HECnet that I can copy them to?
Unfortunately, my link is currently down (Steve's been busy and we've been unable to quite get MWATCH working for me), so we'll need to use some other method. Can you dump them on a system here via scp? I have a pentium II I can give easy access to for that.
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for feature fulness.
Maybe i'll go with both!
Do it!
I will!
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
I have a copy of 6.2 in some file format nothing knows. VMS doesn't even seem to.
Send me a copy and I'll see if I can figure it out.
I found it here: http://wdl1.winworldpc.com/Abandonware%20Operating%20Systems/Misc/OpenVMS%2… ( I hope you can handle 7-zip. It's probably really VMS backup format and I was using it wrong. ;) )
-Dave
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If I remember correctly, DEC was phasing out VAX-11/7xx systems during
the 5.x timeframe in favor of the 8000 class machines. While 6.x will
probably run, I am not sure you would be happy with its "performance".
I would stay in the pre-6.x versions.
I have run Version 1.0 through 5.5-4 on the 11/780. So it goes...
-Steve
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On 23 Dec 2012, at 17:53, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/23/2012 05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
As i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I
thought i'd
try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to
try? 2). Where
would I get install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know
if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am
not sure. At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to 3.0. Let me
know if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
Please upload them, I am quite interested in older VMS.
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for
feature fulness.
Maybe i'll go with both!
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
I have a copy of 6.2 in some file format nothing knows. VMS
doesn't even seem to.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
