On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:38:08 -0500, you wrote:
I have had no problem doing TOPS-10 MONGENs following that.
http://pastebin.com/LDUWrSEA is what happens
I'm not an expert at all in this things, but I can say that all those FTxxxx
symbols are feature switches which get set in F.MAC by MONGEN. Other multiply
defined symbols seem to be mostly from COMMON.MAC and COMMOD.MAC. Instead,
many of the undefined ones are from APRSER.MAC, i.e. the module that contains
most (all?) of the processor dependent code.
Maybe there is something wrong in your source setup or in your MONGEN answers.
I would try to follow the original Software Installation Guide (SIG), at least
chapter 9, which explains step-by-step what you should do, and also what to
answer to every MONGEN question. The most updated SIG can be found here:
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/01/10,7/docupd/sig.mem.html
Anyway, this is my (working) MONGEN.MIC: http://pastebin.com/z3Biz6rV
And this is the output from a build run: http://pastebin.com/qcMdyMXU
HTH, :)
G.
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:56, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:45, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message----- >> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky >> Sent:
Sunday, December 23, 2012 18:36 >> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >> Subject:
Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits? >> >> >> On 23 Dec 2012, at
18:33, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" >> <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote: >>
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes: >>> >>>> On 12/23/2012
05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > As i'm not getting >>>> anywhere with
my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd > try >> something else: >>>> older
VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;) > > 1). >> What would be >>>>
the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where > would I get >>>>
install media for these older versions? ;) >>>> >>>> I have a bunch of
older VMS distributions. I don't know >> if they're >>>> available
anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am >> not sure. >>>> At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to >> 3.0. Let >>>>
me know if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere. >>>> >>>> I'd
say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for >> featurefulness.
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe,
v6.2. >>> >>> V7.3 should run on it. >> >> Really? I seem to recall
reading several places that 6.2/6.3 >> were the last to run on an
-11/780. >> >>> >>> -- >>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode
Hacker >> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG >>> >>> Well I speak to machines with
the voice of humanity. >> >> > > What will run and what is supported can
be two entirely different > things!
OpenVMS VAX V7.3 Installation Procedure
Model: VAX-11/780
You are correct. ;)
...and when you've installed it, type:
$ HELP SHOW DEFAULT EXAMPLES :P
$ DEFINE KUDOS WRK:[SCHENKENBERGER.TEMP1],WRK:[SCHENKENBERGER.TEMP2]
I see!
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:45, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message----- >> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky >> Sent:
Sunday, December 23, 2012 18:36 >> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >> Subject:
Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits? >> >> >> On 23 Dec 2012, at
18:33, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" >> <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote: >>
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes: >>> >>>> On 12/23/2012
05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > As i'm not getting >>>> anywhere with
my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd > try >> something else: >>>> older
VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;) > > 1). >> What would be >>>>
the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where > would I get >>>>
install media for these older versions? ;) >>>> >>>> I have a bunch of
older VMS distributions. I don't know >> if they're >>>> available
anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am >> not sure. >>>> At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to >> 3.0. Let >>>>
me know if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere. >>>> >>>> I'd
say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for >> featurefulness.
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe,
v6.2. >>> >>> V7.3 should run on it. >> >> Really? I seem to recall
reading several places that 6.2/6.3 >> were the last to run on an
-11/780. >> >>> >>> -- >>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode
Hacker >> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG >>> >>> Well I speak to machines with
the voice of humanity. >> >> > > What will run and what is supported can
be two entirely different > things!
OpenVMS VAX V7.3 Installation Procedure
Model: VAX-11/780
You are correct. ;)
...and when you've installed it, type:
$ HELP SHOW DEFAULT EXAMPLES :P
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:45, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message----- >> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky >> Sent:
Sunday, December 23, 2012 18:36 >> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >> Subject:
Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits? >> >> >> On 23 Dec 2012, at
18:33, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" >> <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote: >>
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes: >>> >>>> On 12/23/2012
05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > As i'm not getting >>>> anywhere with
my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd > try >> something else: >>>> older
VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;) > > 1). >> What would be >>>>
the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where > would I get >>>>
install media for these older versions? ;) >>>> >>>> I have a bunch of
older VMS distributions. I don't know >> if they're >>>> available
anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am >> not sure. >>>> At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to >> 3.0. Let >>>>
me know if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere. >>>> >>>> I'd
say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for >> featurefulness.
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe,
v6.2. >>> >>> V7.3 should run on it. >> >> Really? I seem to recall
reading several places that 6.2/6.3 >> were the last to run on an
-11/780. >> >>> >>> -- >>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode
Hacker >> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG >>> >>> Well I speak to machines with
the voice of humanity. >> >> > > What will run and what is supported can
be two entirely different > things!
OpenVMS VAX V7.3 Installation Procedure
Model: VAX-11/780
You are correct. ;)
Of course I am.>
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 18:47
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] New node - BONZO2 (47.1000)
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:37, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Johnny,
When you get the chance, add this node for me. It's a
WinNT4 Server running Pathworks that I play around with.
I wish you could join systems to domains over DECnet. ;)
Sampsa
PathWorks (at least the later versions) allowed you to manage NT domains
from within a VMS system. They had rather tight integration for many
areas. Accounts, directories, and printers could be shared (and
managed) all from within the PathWorks environment. It was a little
weird when Microsoft's SMS version 1.x was integrated but it worked...
-Steve
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:33, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" =
<system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:=20 >=20 >> On 12/23/2012
05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > As i'm not getting >> anywhere with my
TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd > try something = else: >> older
VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;) > > 1). What would be >> the
best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where > would I get >> install
media for these older versions? ;)=20 >>=20 >> I have a bunch of older
VMS distributions. I don't know if they're >> available anywhere else
or not; I would assume so but am not sure. = At >> least several 3.x
and 4.x distributions, going back to 3.0. Let me = know >> if they're
wanted and I can put them up somewhere.=20 >>=20 >> I'd say 4.7 for
speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for featurefulness.=20=
=20 >> The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe,
v6.2.=20 >=20 > V7.3 should run on it.
Really? I seem to recall reading several places that 6.2/6.3 were the =
last to run on an -11/780.
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:45, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 18:36
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:33, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-"
<system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 12/23/2012 05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > As i'm not getting
anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd > try
something else:
older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;) > > 1).
What would be
the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where > would I get
install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know
if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am
not sure.
At least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to
3.0. Let
me know if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for
featurefulness.
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
V7.3 should run on it.
Really? I seem to recall reading several places that 6.2/6.3
were the last to run on an -11/780.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker
VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
What will run and what is supported can be two entirely different
things!
OpenVMS VAX V7.3 Installation Procedure
Model: VAX-11/780
You are correct. ;)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 23 December 2012 21:03
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] SIMH PDP-10 + Networking?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 16:01, "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 23 December 2012 20:13
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] SIMH PDP-10 + Networking?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 14:59, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 14:03, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 14:01, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I don't even know what that means..
Give me a bit. If i've finally figured this out it'll be on HECnet
later today.
I figured it out and got a monitor built. It just doesn't seem to
/work.
;)
Okay, i'm getting linker errors (undefined symbols, et cetera) and
it's seeming impossible to generate a TOPS-10 monitor. If anyone
wants to help further, let me know.
Just had a quick look at the manual you pointed me at. Make sure you
are following the instructions for the KS10 and not the KL10, SIMH
emulates the
KS10 only.
Actually, I was building a KL monitor because KLH10 allows me to do
DECnet.
Ah, sorry I thought you were using SIMH.
Sampsa
On 23 Dec 2012, at 20:58, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 13:49, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I want an account on the TOPS-10 machine if possible :)
I can get you one on mine today if you happen to get me a working
image that allows me to build a monitor without errors. ;)
sampsa
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:37, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Johnny,
When you get the chance, add this node for me. It's a WinNT4 Server running Pathworks that I play around with.
I wish you could join systems to domains over DECnet. ;)
Sampsa
Sampsa,
Which version of PathWorks are you running on WinNT 4.0? I may have it
here. I have V4.1 PathWorks for Windows NT.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of sampsa at mac.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 18:37
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] New node - BONZO2 (47.1000)
Johnny,
When you get the chance, add this node for me. It's a WinNT4 Server
running Pathworks that I play around with.
Sampsa
