I tuned and tuned. I'm pretty good at tuning VMS, but I never could
get it back to pre-5.0 speeds. Of course it sped up a lot in later
releases as you said. The last I ran in production was 5.4.
Our hardware was a VAX-11/750, a MicroVAX-II, two MicroVAX-3600s. The
first two machines were cleared for classified processing, so upgrading
them to newer hardware would've been a years-long process. They're
probably still there.
-Dave
On 12/23/2012 05:58 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Tuning IS everything...
That said, V5.0 was (is) slow, but 5.5 is not. I ran it on VAX-11/780,
VAX-11/782, VAX-11/785 and 8000 class machines. The ONLY complaint I
ever had was disk space (or lack thereof). Remember that this was a
development environment in DEC at ZKO (Spitbrook Rd, Nashua, NH) and
those users wanted the fastest at all times - no excuses! Again, tuning
IS everything...
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 17:50
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 12/23/2012 05:44 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
While the 4.7 system is good, personally, I would go with
a version
5 system. V5.5 or V5.5-4 would be my choice. It has so many more
capabilities and toys/tools!
But oohhhhh soooo painfully slow compared to v4.7. You
wouldn't believe the complaints I endured from my users on
Monday after spending all weekend doing an upgrade to 5.0.
They loved me before that!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 12/23/2012 05:56 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
As i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd
try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where
would I get install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am not sure. At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to 3.0. Let me know
if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
Please upload them, I am quite interested in older VMS.
I don't want to squirt them around publicly. Do you have a place on
HECnet that I can copy them to?
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for feature fulness.
Maybe i'll go with both!
Do it!
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
I have a copy of 6.2 in some file format nothing knows. VMS doesn't even seem to.
Send me a copy and I'll see if I can figure it out.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Tuning IS everything...
That said, V5.0 was (is) slow, but 5.5 is not. I ran it on VAX-11/780,
VAX-11/782, VAX-11/785 and 8000 class machines. The ONLY complaint I
ever had was disk space (or lack thereof). Remember that this was a
development environment in DEC at ZKO (Spitbrook Rd, Nashua, NH) and
those users wanted the fastest at all times - no excuses! Again, tuning
IS everything...
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 17:50
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 12/23/2012 05:44 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
While the 4.7 system is good, personally, I would go with
a version
5 system. V5.5 or V5.5-4 would be my choice. It has so many more
capabilities and toys/tools!
But oohhhhh soooo painfully slow compared to v4.7. You
wouldn't believe the complaints I endured from my users on
Monday after spending all weekend doing an upgrade to 5.0.
They loved me before that!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 23 Dec 2012, at 17:53, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/23/2012 05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
As i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd
try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where
would I get install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am not sure. At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to 3.0. Let me know
if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
Please upload them, I am quite interested in older VMS.
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for feature fulness.
Maybe i'll go with both!
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
I have a copy of 6.2 in some file format nothing knows. VMS doesn't even seem to.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 12/23/2012 05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
As i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd
try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where
would I get install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am not sure. At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to 3.0. Let me know
if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for featurefulness.
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 12/23/2012 05:44 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
While the 4.7 system is good, personally, I would go with a version 5
system. V5.5 or V5.5-4 would be my choice. It has so many more
capabilities and toys/tools!
But oohhhhh soooo painfully slow compared to v4.7. You wouldn't
believe the complaints I endured from my users on Monday after spending
all weekend doing an upgrade to 5.0. They loved me before that!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
While the 4.7 system is good, personally, I would go with a version 5
system. V5.5 or V5.5-4 would be my choice. It has so many more
capabilities and toys/tools!
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 17:21
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
Hey everyone!
As i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I
thought i'd try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's
VAX-11/780 simulator. ;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try?
2). Where would I get install media for these older versions? ;)
Thanks!
On 23 Dec 2012, at 17:33, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
Al 23/12/12 21:13, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit:
Okay, i'm getting linker errors (undefined symbols, et cetera) and it's seeming impossible to generate a TOPS-10 monitor. If anyone wants to help further, let me know.
Did you follow the instructions here?
http://www.asun.net/pdp10/downloads/t10mgen.txt
More-or-less, except I was building for a KL10 instead of a KS10 (KLH10, not SIMH)
I have had no problem doing TOPS-10 MONGENs following that.
http://pastebin.com/LDUWrSEA is what happens
Al 23/12/12 21:13, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit:
Okay, i'm getting linker errors (undefined symbols, et cetera) and it's seeming impossible to generate a TOPS-10 monitor. If anyone wants to help further, let me know.
Did you follow the instructions here?
http://www.asun.net/pdp10/downloads/t10mgen.txt
I have had no problem doing TOPS-10 MONGENs following that.
Al 23/12/12 23:21, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit:
i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator.;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try?
2). Where would I get install media for these older versions
You could try to build a VMS 4.7 system. To do that you will have to build a 4.6 and then upgrade it (IIRC 4.6 has also a mandatory update to apply). Previous to do that you will need to make a stand alone backup bootable kit. I made a bootable tape image using a running openVMS 7.3 system so I was able to boot STANDALONE BACKUP in the 780. Alfter that you can restore then 4.6 tape and boot it to install the rest of 4.6 and later upgrade to 4.7.
You will find 4.7 in the 780 simulator boots really fast ;)
The kits and some layered products are available at ftp.trailing-edge.com.
Good luck!
