On 2012-12-24 03:37, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:33, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something
available for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to
your boot
device. Then, you boot from the system disk to continue
the install.
Back then, VMS was dis- tributed on tape. I've no idea how you
access that from SimH. During the boot, VMS will prompt
you to enter
where the distribution media is mounted and then, it will
just do the
rest -- just answer to the questions as they arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and
pull the V4
(orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how
you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first.
Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the
distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and
after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you
get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a
newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD
distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you
would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it
to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims
he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable
system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a
recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps
attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
Johnny
It can be standalone or not. Try:
$backup/image/verify <version-saveset>.b/save <device>:
THAT worked.
What line did you use before? And why didn't you read the manuals?
Anyway. Good that you got somewhere.
Johnny
On 2012-12-24 03:25, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something available
for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to your boot device. Then, you
boot from the system disk to continue the install. Back then, VMS was dis-
tributed on tape. I've no idea how you access that from SimH. During the
boot, VMS will prompt you to enter where the distribution media is mounted
and then, it will just do the rest -- just answer to the questions as they
arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and pull the V4 (orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first. Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
No, if you have a running system, the backup in there should also work.
But I guess the question remains open if a VMS V7 backup can create a bootable V4 disk. I don't know the answer to that one.
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
That should not matter. What kind of tape you attach the image to shouldn't make a difference, since we're only talking reading the data from the tape anyway. Who cares what controller acted as the agent to transfer the bits.
What was the name of the saveset you restored to disk then?
Johnny
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:33, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
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[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 21:25
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something
available for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to
your boot
device. Then, you boot from the system disk to continue
the install.
Back then, VMS was dis- tributed on tape. I've no idea how you
access that from SimH. During the boot, VMS will prompt
you to enter
where the distribution media is mounted and then, it will
just do the
rest -- just answer to the questions as they arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and
pull the V4
(orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how
you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first.
Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the
distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and
after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you
get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a
newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD
distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you
would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it
to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims
he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable
system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a
recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps
attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
Johnny
It can be standalone or not. Try:
$backup/image/verify <version-saveset>.b/save <device>:
THAT worked.
Shutdown and boot the <device>. You will need the rest of the VMS
savesets (.C, .D, etc) during the installation process.
Booted!
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 21:25
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something
available for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to
your boot
device. Then, you boot from the system disk to continue
the install.
Back then, VMS was dis- tributed on tape. I've no idea how you
access that from SimH. During the boot, VMS will prompt
you to enter
where the distribution media is mounted and then, it will
just do the
rest -- just answer to the questions as they arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and
pull the V4
(orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how
you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first.
Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the
distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and
after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you
get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a
newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD
distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you
would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it
to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims
he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable
system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a
recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps
attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
Johnny
It can be standalone or not. Try:
$backup/image/verify <version-saveset>.b/save <device>:
Shutdown and boot the <device>. You will need the rest of the VMS
savesets (.C, .D, etc) during the installation process.
-Steve
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something available
for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to your boot device. Then, you
boot from the system disk to continue the install. Back then, VMS was dis-
tributed on tape. I've no idea how you access that from SimH. During the
boot, VMS will prompt you to enter where the distribution media is mounted
and then, it will just do the rest -- just answer to the questions as they
arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and pull the V4 (orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first. Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you would able to boot simh into that.
I'm booting VMS 7.3 and running backup from there to image it to another disk. Does it NEED to be standalone backup?
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
It copies the backup set without issue. Am I perhaps attaching it to the wrong tape device? (tq)
Johnny
On 2012-12-24 03:05, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something available
for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to your boot device. Then, you
boot from the system disk to continue the install. Back then, VMS was dis-
tributed on tape. I've no idea how you access that from SimH. During the
boot, VMS will prompt you to enter where the distribution media is mounted
and then, it will just do the rest -- just answer to the questions as they
arise.
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and pull the V4 (orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
As I remember the procedure, it's kindof tricky to see how you'd do it in simh.
On a real 11/780, you'd boot the standalone backup first. Not sure, but I think that would have been a bunch of RX01 floppies.
One the standalone backup is running, you can restore the distribution tape .B saveset to the destination disk, and after that, things starts getting easier.
However, as simh don't have the FE, nor RX01, how do you get the standalone backup running?
I wonder if you could use the standalone backup from a newer VMS to install a really old version. Recent CD distributions boot the standalone backup, and I suspect you would able to boot simh into that.
Not sure what Cory's real problem is though, as he claims he now restores the .B saveset and still don't get a bootable system. Did the backup restore the saveset without complaints?
What is the name of the saveset you are restoring, Cory?
Have you atleast read through the installation manual for a recent VMS? I think the basic procedure is unchanged.
Johnny
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:10, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
Not really. If you restore the correct saveset (.B), you'll get the
bootblock and other stuff setup correctly as a part of the procedure.
Find the right saveset. .A is not it.
Johnny
That's what I said from the get-go and I was not familiar at all with the
file he called out several messages back.
There should be 4, IIRC, savesets labeled VMS046.A, .B, .C and .D. Restore
the VMS046.B as an image to the boot drive and boot it.
Hmmm, trying different tapes allows me to restore a .B, however it's still not bootable. I wonder if i'm missing an option somewhere...
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
Not really. If you restore the correct saveset (.B), you'll get the
bootblock and other stuff setup correctly as a part of the procedure.
Find the right saveset. .A is not it.
Johnny
That's what I said from the get-go and I was not familiar at all with the
file he called out several messages back.
There should be 4, IIRC, savesets labeled VMS046.A, .B, .C and .D. Restore
the VMS046.B as an image to the boot drive and boot it.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 23 Dec 2012, at 21:05, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I might have the wrong tape.
Is there some specific reason for V4.6?
Get a news VMS version -- I can make V6.something or V7.something available
for you -- and then, restore the .B save set to your boot device. Then, you
boot from the system disk to continue the install. Back then, VMS was dis-
tributed on tape. I've no idea how you access that from SimH. During the
boot, VMS will prompt you to enter where the distribution media is mounted
and then, it will just do the rest -- just answer to the questions as they
arise.
V6.something please. I'm looking for something a bit older than 7.x and as such was trying 4.6. ;)
If I can find the time, I'll get to my storage unit and pull the V4 (orange
wall) tomes with the installation notes for 11/780 just in case.
Do you happen to also have the tapes?
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 2012-12-24 02:56, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 20:48, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On 23 Dec 2012, at 20:44, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" =
<system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:=20 >=20 >> Directory
DUA1:[000000]=20 >>=20 >> 000000.DIR;1 BACKUP.SYS;1
BADBLK.SYS;1 = BADLOG.SYS;1 >> =3D =3D20 BITMAP.SYS;1
CONTIN.SYS;1 CORIMG.SYS;1 = =20 >> INDEXF.SYS;1 =3D
=3D20 SECURITY.SYS;1 SYSMGR.DIR;1 =20 >> VOLSET.SYS;1
=3D20=20 >>=20 >> Total of 11 files. --- snip ---=20 >=20 > What's in
SYSMGR? You need VMB.EXE, it must be contiguous and it must > be
referenced by LBN in the system disk's boot block (see WRITEBOOT).
That would explain it.
Still, there should be more than an .A save set.
I might have the wrong tape.
=20 >=20 >> And then:=20 >>=20 >> sim> b rq1 Loading boot code from
vmb.exe %BOOT-F-Unable to locate = BOOT >> fil HALT instruction, PC:
000004C7 (BLBS 549,4C6)=20 >=20 > Granted, it's been a long long time
since I booted an 11/780 but you = should > be able to use the normal
boot file on the floppy of the LSI-11 = console. I > am puzzled with
your boot command.
It's SIMH. Ooops. Didn't realise I wasn't clear that it was virtual.
OK. Somewhere there was mention of VAX-11/780... I know the real H/W. I
have never bothered with SimH.
Ah. I do think the problem lies with not having a bootblack on dual.
Not really. If you restore the correct saveset (.B), you'll get the bootblock and other stuff setup correctly as a part of the procedure.
Find the right saveset. .A is not it.
Johnny
