On 26 Dec 2012, at 00:31, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/25/2012 05:22 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Ah, the problem is that both area 59 and 21 (Peter and Brian) aren't up - so we can't crawl them.
Well they don't seem to be up from the point of view of GORVAX and MIM...
I can see MIM just fine from here. My appears to be going through
Peter (area 59).
My tunnel to Brian appears to be up; I can ping 52.1, but none of his
other machines appear to be reachable from here right now.
The crawler uses NCP SHOW KNOW CIRC, and this is what it looks like from GORVAX and MIM:
BTW, Brian wrote the crawler, so he's in a better position to answer questions.
I just graph the output :)
---- SNIP ----
{GORVAX$} mcr ncp show know circ
Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 25-DEC-2012 22:38:29
Circuit State Loopback Adjacent
Name Routing Node
QNA-0 on 12.2 (BENDER)
QNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
QNA-0 19.40 (SGC)
QNA-0 2.1 (LEGATO)
QNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
QNA-0 47.556 (KUHAVX)
QNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
QNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
QNA-0 1.13 (MIM)
QNA-0 5.1023 (A5RTR)
TCP-0-0 on -starting
TCP-0-2 on 2.1 (LEGATO)
TCP-0-3 on 3.171 (NUK1C)
TCP-0-6 on -starting
TCP-0-7 on 7.60 (BITXOV)
TCP-1-9 on 19.41 (SG1)
TCP-4-7 on 47.556 (KUHAVX)
TCP-5-9 on -starting
{GORVAX$} mcr ncp tell mim show know circ
Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 25-DEC-2012 22:38:50
Circuit State Loopback Adjacent
Name Routing Node
UNA-0 on 44.21 (NIKKEL)
UNA-0 12.2
UNA-0 5.1023 (A5RTR)
UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
UNA-0 19.40 (SGC)
UNA-0 8.400 (GORVAX)
UNA-0 2.1 (LEGATO)
UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
UNA-0 47.556 (KUHAVX)
UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
UNA-0 1.350 (ERSATZ)
UNA-0 1.250 (TARDIS)
On 12/25/2012 05:22 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Ah, the problem is that both area 59 and 21 (Peter and Brian) aren't up - so we can't crawl them.
Well they don't seem to be up from the point of view of GORVAX and MIM...
I can see MIM just fine from here. My appears to be going through
Peter (area 59).
My tunnel to Brian appears to be up; I can ping 52.1, but none of his
other machines appear to be reachable from here right now.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Ah, the problem is that both area 59 and 21 (Peter and Brian) aren't up ...
Well they don't seem to be up from the point of view of GORVAX and MIM...
LEGATO is talking to Peter and STUPI (59.58).
... don't know about area 21, though.
Bob
True. Could add LAT/LONG there after the human readable location, e.g.:
|Hila, FI LAT=<lat> LONG=<long|
Makes it easier for the crawler.
Sampsa
On 26 Dec 2012, at 00:24, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
I'd just add a LAT/LONG field before the notes one
FWIW, the existing INFO.TXT format already has a "location" field - it's
City and Country, but you can just geolocate the city center.
Bob
I'd just add a LAT/LONG field before the notes one
FWIW, the existing INFO.TXT format already has a "location" field - it's
City and Country, but you can just geolocate the city center.
Bob
Ah, the problem is that both area 59 and 21 (Peter and Brian) aren't up - so we can't crawl them.
Well they don't seem to be up from the point of view of GORVAX and MIM...
Sampsa
On 26 Dec 2012, at 00:15, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/25/2012 04:54 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I made another version of the grapher to JUST look at the router connections:
http://www.sampsa.com/just-routers.svg
Does this look about right?
I don't see mine on there..
What's yours and what's it connected to?
Area 61, Cisco GRE tunnel endpoint, poorly-named "GW". (I will rename
that soon...it's gw.neurotica.com...I sure wish DECnet had a concept
similar to domain names; we have a big namespace issue here)
It's connected to Peter Lothberg (twice) and Brian Hechinger.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 12/25/2012 04:54 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I made another version of the grapher to JUST look at the router connections:
http://www.sampsa.com/just-routers.svg
Does this look about right?
I don't see mine on there..
What's yours and what's it connected to?
Area 61, Cisco GRE tunnel endpoint, poorly-named "GW". (I will rename
that soon...it's gw.neurotica.com...I sure wish DECnet had a concept
similar to domain names; we have a big namespace issue here)
It's connected to Peter Lothberg (twice) and Brian Hechinger.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 12/25/2012 04:51 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
I made another version of the grapher to JUST look at the router
connections:
http://www.sampsa.com/just-routers.svg
Does this look about right?
I don't see mine on there..
That's because prior arrangements were made to cause it to become
lost. In fact the connection is still up, but the stuff that maps it
does not want to believe there is life where you are.
Mmm-HMM. ;)
Kind of like the ones who live here who refuse to believe there is
really a world outside of the City.
Interesting! I live in the City. (just not the same one you do ;))
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 25 Dec 2012, at 23:56, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
Ah yes, now I recall seeing that bit from time to time.
Do the fields have to be a fixed width as appears to be the case in the link
you sent?
Regards
Rob
Not sure - I don't know if anything actually USES this data, I think it'll get parsed as CSV with | as the field separator by anything sane.
I'd just add a LAT/LONG field before the notes one - we might crawl this eventually.
Sampsa
Ah yes, now I recall seeing that bit from time to time.
Do the fields have to be a fixed width as appears to be the case in the link
you sent?
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of sampsa at mac.com
Sent: 25 December 2012 21:02
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] HECnet mapping project
That's already done, look at http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-
bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com?q=CHIMPY
We could just add another field for LAT/LONG after location.
sampsa
On 25 Dec 2012, at 22:53, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
I have gone ahead and added lat/long to VAX780::INFO.TXT.
Perhaps we should define some common tags and formats to make the
INFO.TXT machine readable? I am using this at the moment:
Owner: Rob Jarratt
Location: Stockport, England
Latitude: +53.3809
Longitude: -2.2172
Regards
Rob
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 25 December 2012 18:25
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] HECnet mapping project
On 25 Dec 2012, at 07:36, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 25 Dec 2012, at 14:34, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Another kind of graph that would be cool (but even harder) would be
to
have a map of the world, with the nodes placed out, and connections.
That kind of map would work to have everything illustrated as
point-to-point connections. But figuring out the physical locations
is another story. (I
guess
the only way would be if people could put that kind of information in
some file, in a format that would be machine parseable.)
If people put their geographical location in GPS cords on their
INFO.TXT
files, I don't see why this would be impossible.
I have my general area in my INFO.TXT. Nothing /exact/ though. ;)
sampsa
