On 12/25/2012 05:50 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
On 12/25/2012 02:56 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: >>> Will it be a problem
that all of these systems are DECnet-OSI? >> >> Clustering does not
depend on DECnet or TCP/IP! > > Really? I thought clustering over
ethernet used DECnet.
Nope...SCS, which is Systems Communications Services if memory serves.
(is that right, Brian?) Completely unrelated to DECnet.
Dunno which "Brian" you refer but SCS it is.
I initially meant you, but now I recall (half drunk at the moment)
that Brian Hechinger knows quite a lot about VMS clustering as well. :)
-Dave
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On 2012-12-26 02:27, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:16, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Actually probably time is more of an issue than money. Thinking of it, I prefer a nice place to a cheap place.
(But then again, living in Switzerland, almost any place is a cheap place in comparison...)
Well I did suggest Beirut, that place rocks...
But that didn't go down well.
Maybe the UK/US idea is the way to go.
Actually, in a way, to be honest, the cool place to go would be Uppsala, Sweden, where HECnet started, and there is way much cool hardware to fool around with.
There are PDP-11/70 machines, VAX-8650s, VAX-7000/720, DEC-2060, PDP-8, PDP-12, as well as plenty of small stuff...
We could probably host activities using the University locales, and have other fun stuff going on as well.
Johnny
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:31, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
And I did suggest Switzerland. Nice and neutral. :-)
As well as being very central so it's not too far for anyone.
(Said half in joke, since I do realize the costs of actually staying here for a couple of days isn't cheap.)
Not a fan of CH, way too expensive and kinda dull :)
Beirut is too hardcore I guess, maybe one meet in CA and another in UK around the DEC Legacy event?
Not that I'm that fond of the UK either, hence my impending departure..
sampsa
On 2012-12-26 02:27, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:16, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Actually probably time is more of an issue than money. Thinking of it, I prefer a nice place to a cheap place.
(But then again, living in Switzerland, almost any place is a cheap place in comparison...)
Well I did suggest Beirut, that place rocks...
But that didn't go down well.
Maybe the UK/US idea is the way to go.
And I did suggest Switzerland. Nice and neutral. :-)
As well as being very central so it's not too far for anyone.
(Said half in joke, since I do realize the costs of actually staying here for a couple of days isn't cheap.)
Johnny
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:16, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Actually probably time is more of an issue than money. Thinking of it, I prefer a nice place to a cheap place.
(But then again, living in Switzerland, almost any place is a cheap place in comparison...)
Well I did suggest Beirut, that place rocks...
But that didn't go down well.
Maybe the UK/US idea is the way to go.
Sampsa
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
You'll have the same problem with Rob's DECnet router... And possibly other equipment, or nodes that don't want to talk NICE.
Johnny
Yeah, those guys will just have to send in manual updates.
Or write a script to give us the details :)
Sampsa
On 2012-12-26 02:13, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:00, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Yuck. Seriously, if you depend on manual information, it's going to be broken sooner or later.
I'm not at all clear what the problem is, though. I can, from MIM, tell which areas are online. And for each area, you can check which nodes are online in that area. After that, it just becomes a question of figuring out how the bits are connected.
The problem is the CISCO gear doesnt talk NCP, so we can't do stuff like SHOW KNOW CIRC (to get routers to walk) or SHOW ADJ NODES (to get end nodes).
If the CISCO guys want on the map, it'll have to be manual for now....
You'll have the same problem with Rob's DECnet router... And possibly other equipment, or nodes that don't want to talk NICE.
Johnny
On 2012-12-26 02:12, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Hmmm,
I thought area 42 was mine. What happened? I know my gateway has been down for a while, but hopefully it'll be back up this week.
Thanks for spotting that.
The DECNET.TXT file obviously had incorrect (very old) information for area 42.
Fixing now.
Johnny
Ian
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On 2012-12-25, at 4:29 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I'll do it :)
{RHESUS$} type mim::decnet.txt
The hobbyist DECnet project arealist.
Area 1 Johnny Billquist
Area 2 Robert Armstrong
Area 3 Patrick Caulfield
Area 4 Mark Wickens
Area 5 Rob Jarratt
Area 6 Mark Benson
Area 7 Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Area 8 Sampsa Laine
Area 9 Cory Smelosky
Area 10 Jean-Yves Bernier
Area 11 Saku Setala
Area 12 Tim Sneddon
Area 13 Reserved for DECserver management
Area 15 James Sharp
Area 16 Kari Uusim i
Area 18 Ryan Blair
Area 19 Steve Davidson
Area 20 Joe Ferraro
Area 21 Brian Schenkenberger
Area 26 Thierry Dussuet
Area 27 Mark Berryman
Area 28 Erik Olofsen
Area 32 Reserved for "special" events - available for short term use only
Area 33 Fred Coffey
Area 42 Sridhar Ayengar
Area 44 Hans Vlems
Area 47 Sampsa Laine
Area 51 Dan Williams
Area 52 Brian Hechinger
Area 53 Phil Mendelsohn
Area 54 Tore Sinding Bekkedal
Area 56 Allison
Area 57 G an ling
Area 59 Peter L hberg
Area 60 Zane Healy
Area 61 Dave McGuire
Area 62 Oleg Safiullin
Area 63 Reserved for hidden area testing
On 26 Dec 2012, at 02:28, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 25 Dec 2012, at 19:26, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
MIM::DU4:DECNET.TXT
I need to have a link up first to connect that way. ;)
I'll go telnet to mim and grab it from there.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 7:19 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Getting a virtual cluster connected
On 25 Dec 2012, at 19:17, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
As long as areas are available go for one! SG1::'s Multinet Tunnel
Address is bridge.declab.net:700.
I've forgotten which areas are available. ;)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 6:53 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Getting a virtual cluster connected
On 25 Dec 2012, at 18:50, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
Connect to SG1:: on the East Coast as the primary, LEGATO:: on the
West
Coast as the secondary.
What are the IPs for those? I'll connect a random node on another
friend's server while i'm at it (extranet.wilcox-tech.com is the host
for it. It's static)
That doesn't need it's own area though, can I piggyback off someone
else's? ;)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:06 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] Getting a virtual cluster connected
Hello everyone!
I've decided to bring up the random virtual cluster I was running on
a
friend's server, and I want to get it connected to HECnet. ;)
The IP is static so connecting it should be easier, the server is in
North Carolina. It's looking like i'll need to go install multinet
on
one of the cluster members as that'll be easier than bringing up a
linux
VM to run Johnny''s bridge. ;)
What areas are available? I'll go renumber to one of the free
areas...once I either remember or reset the SYSTEM password.
Thanks.
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On 25 Dec 2012, at 20:18, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-26 02:12, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 25 Dec 2012, at 20:10, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-26 02:06, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 25 Dec 2012, at 20:04, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-26 01:43, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 25 Dec 2012, at 19:41, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-25 20:06, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello everyone!
I've decided to bring up the random virtual cluster I was running on a friend's server, and I want to get it connected to HECnet. ;)
The IP is static so connecting it should be easier, the server is in North Carolina. It's looking like i'll need to go install multinet on one of the cluster members as that'll be easier than bringing up a linux VM to run Johnny''s bridge. ;)
What areas are available? I'll go renumber to one of the free areas once I either remember or reset the SYSTEM password.
What about area 9, which is already allocated to you?
The area router for 9 is here at my house though, and the IP here isn't static, so it'd be a bit challenging to get that to work.
So? I don't see the problem. Have both places use the same area. Have an area router at each place (you need that anyway). Have a link between your two places. Done.
How would the link between the two places be done? I can do it via VPN for the Florida site and here, but i'd need to deal with dynamic IPs at the other site Actually no I wouldn't.
If you have a place with a dynamic IP, you already are dealing with this. How do you do it today?
We never quite got that working, so I think i'll just use option 2. I get a bit more control with that method anyway.
The link there is a bit less reliable, but the VPN auto reconnects.
Sounds like a working plan that is better in all ways then.
Yup.
I can route my house -> florida, and the NC site -> florida as well. And then from Florida -> HECnet.
Yes. That would also work.
I'll go do that then.
Add TSTBD6 (9.15) to the area list, then.
Done.
Thanks!
Johnny
Johnny
However, if I claim area 14, I could setup a multinet tunnel between that site and the SIMH instances running on another friend's stuff.
Thoughts?
Yeah. While we're not out of areas, I think it's time to atleast use them somewhat more efficiently than this. A new area for each place you set up is a bit much, me thinks.
Johnny
Johnny
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On 2012-12-26 02:12, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 25 Dec 2012, at 20:10, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-26 02:06, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 25 Dec 2012, at 20:04, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-26 01:43, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 25 Dec 2012, at 19:41, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2012-12-25 20:06, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello everyone!
I've decided to bring up the random virtual cluster I was running on a friend's server, and I want to get it connected to HECnet. ;)
The IP is static so connecting it should be easier, the server is in North Carolina. It's looking like i'll need to go install multinet on one of the cluster members as that'll be easier than bringing up a linux VM to run Johnny''s bridge. ;)
What areas are available? I'll go renumber to one of the free areas once I either remember or reset the SYSTEM password.
What about area 9, which is already allocated to you?
The area router for 9 is here at my house though, and the IP here isn't static, so it'd be a bit challenging to get that to work.
So? I don't see the problem. Have both places use the same area. Have an area router at each place (you need that anyway). Have a link between your two places. Done.
How would the link between the two places be done? I can do it via VPN for the Florida site and here, but i'd need to deal with dynamic IPs at the other site Actually no I wouldn't.
If you have a place with a dynamic IP, you already are dealing with this. How do you do it today?
We never quite got that working, so I think i'll just use option 2. I get a bit more control with that method anyway.
The link there is a bit less reliable, but the VPN auto reconnects.
Sounds like a working plan that is better in all ways then.
I can route my house -> florida, and the NC site -> florida as well. And then from Florida -> HECnet.
Yes. That would also work.
I'll go do that then.
Add TSTBD6 (9.15) to the area list, then.
Done.
Johnny
Johnny
However, if I claim area 14, I could setup a multinet tunnel between that site and the SIMH instances running on another friend's stuff.
Thoughts?
Yeah. While we're not out of areas, I think it's time to atleast use them somewhat more efficiently than this. A new area for each place you set up is a bit much, me thinks.
Johnny
Johnny
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