Actually it looks like I would need to implement various other layers before
I could even start on NICE, that might be a bit too much. SNMP might be an
option in that case. I don't know much about the details of SNMP, I can look
it up of course but I guess there would need to be a format for the routing
and end node data, if I can match what CISCO produces then that would make
it easier, anyone have any info on this?
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Jarratt [mailto:robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 26 December 2012 09:10
To: 'hecnet at Update.UU.SE'
Cc: 'sampsa at mac.com'
Subject: RE: [HECnet] HECnet mapping project
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 26 December 2012 01:24
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: sampsa at mac.com
Subject: Re: [HECnet] HECnet mapping project
On 2012-12-26 02:13, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:00, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Yuck. Seriously, if you depend on manual information, it's going to
be
broken sooner or later.
I'm not at all clear what the problem is, though. I can, from MIM,
tell
which areas are online. And for each area, you can check which nodes
are online in that area. After that, it just becomes a question of
figuring out how the bits are connected.
The problem is the CISCO gear doesnt talk NCP, so we can't do stuff
like
SHOW KNOW CIRC (to get routers to walk) or SHOW ADJ NODES (to get
end
nodes).
If the CISCO guys want on the map, it'll have to be manual for now....
You'll have the same problem with Rob's DECnet router... And possibly
other equipment, or nodes that don't want to talk NICE.
I have just downloaded the spec and will think about how easy it would be
to
add this to the router, not that anyone other than me uses it :-(
Johnny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 26 December 2012 01:24
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: sampsa at mac.com
Subject: Re: [HECnet] HECnet mapping project
On 2012-12-26 02:13, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:00, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Yuck. Seriously, if you depend on manual information, it's going to be
broken sooner or later.
I'm not at all clear what the problem is, though. I can, from MIM, tell
which areas are online. And for each area, you can check which nodes are
online in that area. After that, it just becomes a question of figuring
out how
the bits are connected.
The problem is the CISCO gear doesnt talk NCP, so we can't do stuff like
SHOW KNOW CIRC (to get routers to walk) or SHOW ADJ NODES (to get end
nodes).
If the CISCO guys want on the map, it'll have to be manual for now....
You'll have the same problem with Rob's DECnet router... And possibly
other
equipment, or nodes that don't want to talk NICE.
I have just downloaded the spec and will think about how easy it would be to
add this to the router, not that anyone other than me uses it :-(
Johnny
The DECNET.TXT file obviously had incorrect (very old) information for area
42.
The same is true for Area 3:
Area 3 Patrick Caulfield
Chrissie kindly resigned this area to me.
--
Regards, Rok
On 12/26/2012 03:08 AM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
Actually, in a way, to be honest, the cool place to go would be Uppsala,
Sweden, where HECnet started, and there is way much cool hardware to
fool around with.
There are PDP-11/70 machines, VAX-8650s, VAX-7000/720, DEC-2060, PDP-
8, PDP-12, as well as plenty of small stuff...
Now *that* is tempting!
Ohhhhh yes!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 26 December 2012 01:35
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: sampsa at mac.com
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Happy Holidays HECnet
On 2012-12-26 02:27, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:16, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Actually probably time is more of an issue than money. Thinking of it,
I
prefer a nice place to a cheap place.
(But then again, living in Switzerland, almost any place is a cheap
place in comparison...)
Well I did suggest Beirut, that place rocks...
But that didn't go down well.
Maybe the UK/US idea is the way to go.
Actually, in a way, to be honest, the cool place to go would be Uppsala,
Sweden, where HECnet started, and there is way much cool hardware to
fool around with.
There are PDP-11/70 machines, VAX-8650s, VAX-7000/720, DEC-2060, PDP-
8, PDP-12, as well as plenty of small stuff...
Now *that* is tempting!
We could probably host activities using the University locales, and have
other fun stuff going on as well.
Johnny
On 12/26/2012 02:47 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
61.6, BIGV7K
Vax 7720, 2GB RAM, HSJ50-based CI-connected disk arrays. VMS
v7.3. It will be online sporadically, but pretty much full-time for
now, to help heat the building until we get our natural gas feed
turned on. (no joke!)
7720, That'd be dual processor right?
Yes, a VAX-7000 with two 700-series processors, ~50 VUPS/ea.
Accounts given upon request.
I'd be interested in an account. I've never actually had an account
on a real VAX, it'll be interesting to start with a big one. ;)
Send me a requested username and password in private email. (note that
I'm crashing now and will get to it tomorrow)
...and let me just say that 2GB of RAM is an AWFUL FRIGGIN' LOT on
a VAX! 8-)
I can imagine! What will you do with it all? Run emulators and
calculate pi? ;)
Just hack VMS to heal and purify my soul between last-minute design
revisions and firmware updates on my projects for work.
How much total disk?
~4GB mounted, ~16GB connected, all SCSI, controlled by CI-connected
HSJ50s.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 26 Dec 2012, at 02:36, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
61.6, BIGV7K
Vax 7720, 2GB RAM, HSJ50-based CI-connected disk arrays. VMS v7.3.
It will be online sporadically, but pretty much full-time for now, to
help heat the building until we get our natural gas feed turned on. (no
joke!)
7720, That'd be dual processor right?
Accounts given upon request.
I'd be interested in an account. I've never actually had an account on a real VAX, it'll be interesting to start with a big one. ;)
...and let me just say that 2GB of RAM is an AWFUL FRIGGIN' LOT on a
VAX! 8-)
I can imagine! What will you do with it all? Run emulators and calculate pi? ;)
How much total disk?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
61.6, BIGV7K
Vax 7720, 2GB RAM, HSJ50-based CI-connected disk arrays. VMS v7.3.
It will be online sporadically, but pretty much full-time for now, to
help heat the building until we get our natural gas feed turned on. (no
joke!)
Accounts given upon request.
...and let me just say that 2GB of RAM is an AWFUL FRIGGIN' LOT on a
VAX! 8-)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hey Johnny,
Can you add:
9.14 (GRAIL)
9.16 (CNR1)
9.17 (CNR2)
9.18 (CNR3)
Oh, and change 9.15 from TSTBD6. to TSTBD1. I messed up there.
Thanks.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On 12/25/2012 08:45 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I'm fine with providing anything that helps the project. I suggest
striving for fully-automatic operation, though, for minimal
administrative requirements. I know Peter in particular is an extremely
busy guy and may not want the additional headache.
That's OK, participation is totally optional - it just means you might get
left out of the map.
I am happy to admin the map (both automatic collection and the manual stuff)
so the "weird" equipment guys only need to send me their details once - after
that they will be added to the map each time.
GRE tunnels and Cisco routers are by no means "weird", my friend. ;)
Let's see what Brian H says about using snmp. That might be the answer.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
