On 1/7/2013 3:39 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
We should soon have our Cisco box at Update up and running...
Johnny,
Let me know when it's running - I'd love a link off-continent :)
Ian
Check with Peter L. He's got two Ciscos. One is even across the pond in Sweden. :)
-brian
Man, I had fogotten some of these hacks ( bad memories ). Brian's right - it was a bad idea!
It was all left over because the original ISO/OSI stack did not (originally) have a internet-work layer and assumed a flat world. I remembered that argument!!
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Sounds like bang-path routing from the good-old-days of UUCP.
Yup but the OpenSite::ClosedSite only needed one level of indirection, IIRC. In practice as people noted, for things like email and notes you did not care.
Again, once the internal network became more IP based, many of the hacks went away - at least for many of the users that lived in pure IP land (like me). By the time of the "Compaq-tion" an engineer only needed to use VMS for things like some of the payroll and benefits stuff. So like I am with Windows today @ Intel, I was with VMS @ DEC => I could use it and did, but tried to avoid it like many other painful things.
Clem
On 2013-01-07 19:52, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Wouldn't it be ironic if Hecnet ran out of addresses :)
It would. However, I don't expect us to run out of addresses any time soon. However, areas are a rather limited resource, and we are slowly running out of them. Sampsa, do you really think three areas are motivated? DECnet was not designed with the idea that physically separate places needed separate areas. Areas are more of a logicial division thing (although some constraints do exist on areas).
Does anyone know what the largest DECnet deplayment was duing the good old days?
Easynet at DEC was larger than 64K nodes, actually. Using hidden areas...
p.s. Johnny, just in case you've still got the bindings in your bridge for area 42, you can remove them. Thanks to Dave McGuire, I've now got my Cisco router connected to him. Is there anyone else on Hecnet offering Cisco tunnels that I could set up for redundancy?
We should soon have our Cisco box at Update up and running...
Johnny
On 2013-01-07, at 10:44 AM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Johnny,
As I've just moved to Beirut (well Dahab at the moment temporarily) and intend to keep areas 8 and 47 up and running, any chance I could get 48 for myself too?
Was thinking of a PPTP VPN and then multinet to area 8..
sampsa
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Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
On 1/7/2013 3:14 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > Brian
Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes: > >> On 1/7/2013 2:48 PM, Brian
Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > Brian >> Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net>
writes: > >> What exactly does that mean? >>> Did any other messages
(codes) accompany the error? > >> None that I noticed, but they could
have been masked by this code. >> >> Just doing NCP TELL to other
machines on hecnet. > Did you get kicked back to DCL? If so, before
entring any other command > at the DCL prompt, issue: $ SHOW SYMBOL
$STATUS. >
Probably? This is all being doing from python. I can try to have it run
that, but i think i will get a new process space so it won't matter.
Can't you issue it from the command line? Python, if you are issuing the
command from os.system("TELL...") is probably just spawning off commands.
The context will be lost if that's the case.
The error in the NCP code from the $QIO(W) is returned but it is masked
with STS$M_INHIB_MSG. So, the status code may be there but DCL will not
translate it to a viewable message string due to the STS$M_INHIB_MSG bit.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 1/7/2013 3:14 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
On 1/7/2013 2:48 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > Brian
Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes: > >> What exactly does that mean?
Did any other messages (codes) accompany the error? >
None that I noticed, but they could have been masked by this code.
Just doing NCP TELL to other machines on hecnet.
Did you get kicked back to DCL? If so, before entring any other command
at the DCL prompt, issue: $ SHOW SYMBOL $STATUS.
Probably? This is all being doing from python. I can try to have it run that, but i think i will get a new process space so it won't matter.
-brian
On 1/7/2013 3:14 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 15:10
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] NCP-F-NETIO
On 1/7/2013 2:48 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
What exactly does that mean?
Did any other messages (codes) accompany the error?
None that I noticed, but they could have been masked by this code.
Just doing NCP TELL to other machines on hecnet.
-brian
If you are tying this against GORVAX::, or PLUTO::, you will probably
not have much success. GORVAX::'s connection to the bridge is going up
and down every minute or so, and PLUTO:: is having issues with buffer
availability. SIGH...
-Steve
I bet that's what it is then.
-brian
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
On 1/7/2013 2:48 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > Brian
Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes: > >> What exactly does that mean?
Did any other messages (codes) accompany the error? >
None that I noticed, but they could have been masked by this code.
Just doing NCP TELL to other machines on hecnet.
Did you get kicked back to DCL? If so, before entring any other command
at the DCL prompt, issue: $ SHOW SYMBOL $STATUS.
--
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 15:10
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] NCP-F-NETIO
On 1/7/2013 2:48 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
What exactly does that mean?
Did any other messages (codes) accompany the error?
None that I noticed, but they could have been masked by this code.
Just doing NCP TELL to other machines on hecnet.
-brian
If you are tying this against GORVAX::, or PLUTO::, you will probably
not have much success. GORVAX::'s connection to the bridge is going up
and down every minute or so, and PLUTO:: is having issues with buffer
availability. SIGH...
-Steve
On 1/7/2013 2:40 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
On 1/7/2013 2:15 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > Brian
Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes: > >> Because the one downside of
the Cisco's is they don't speak NICE. It >> would be awesome if they
did. > That's because they speak IOS! :P >
No, they *run* IOS. They *speak* many, many different things. :)
My DTC01s and DTC03s can *speak" many many different things too! ;)
Yes, but what do they *run*? :)
-brian
