Although, the guts of the Internet DEC engineering network was a Class A (net 16) address and it was IP routed and IP managed and DECnet hung off of it once it got an extreme size and scale.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
> Wouldn't it be ironic if Hecnet ran out of addresses :)
>
> Does anyone know what the largest DECnet deplayment was duing the good old days?
The internal net at DEC was seriously out of addresses, though just like IP that's partly because the addressing scheme forced it to be somewhat sparse. Still, there were certainly tens of thousands of nodes on it.
paul
On 1/7/2013 2:15 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
Because the one downside of the Cisco's is they don't speak NICE. It
would be awesome if they did.
That's because they speak IOS! :P
No, they *run* IOS. They *speak* many, many different things. :)
-brian
No more so than implementing SNMP if you ask me.
-brian
On 1/7/2013 2:18 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
Yes it would, but wouldn't that be edging away from "implementing a
DEC protocol" to "emulating a DEC operating system component"? (not
that it'd be that outlandish, given the origins of Cisco)
-Dave
On 01/07/2013 02:04 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Because the one downside of the Cisco's is they don't speak NICE. It
would be awesome if they did.
-brian
On 1/7/2013 2:03 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Well it doesn't play nice with the mapper Brian H and me are working on..
sampsa
On 7 Jan 2013, at 20:59, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
On 2013-01-07, at 10:54 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
What kind of cisco tunnel? I'm curious as to if I could replicate
any of that setup with open source stuff...
I have a Cisco 7206VXR router that has Cisco's Decnet implementation
on it. It is now acting as my area router, and connects to Dave's
Cisco via an IP tunnel. From what I understand, Cisco's Decnet
implementation is proprietary - not sure if it works well with
non-Cisco stuff.
Ian
On 1/7/2013 2:04 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 7 Jan 2013, at 14:02, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 1/7/2013 1:59 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
On 2013-01-07, at 10:54 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
What kind of cisco tunnel? I'm curious as to if I could replicate any of that setup with open source stuff...
I have a Cisco 7206VXR router that has Cisco's Decnet implementation on it. It is now acting as my area router, and connects to Dave's Cisco via an IP tunnel. From what I understand, Cisco's Decnet implementation is proprietary - not sure if it works well with non-Cisco stuff.
Ian
Cisco's DECnet is, well, DECnet. :)
There is nothing special about the tunnel. It's just a bog standard GRE tunnel (or you could use an IPSec tunnel if you wanted to).
The Cisco just talks DECnet on all the links you tell it to.
As far as replicating it, you'd need something that can route DECnet and can talk GRE, that's all it would take. Good luck finding that though. :)
My router can talk GRE, but it couldn't route DECnet. :(
That's a show stopper, yes. :)
-brian
Yes it would, but wouldn't that be edging away from "implementing a
DEC protocol" to "emulating a DEC operating system component"? (not
that it'd be that outlandish, given the origins of Cisco)
-Dave
On 01/07/2013 02:04 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Because the one downside of the Cisco's is they don't speak NICE. It
would be awesome if they did.
-brian
On 1/7/2013 2:03 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Well it doesn't play nice with the mapper Brian H and me are working on..
sampsa
On 7 Jan 2013, at 20:59, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
On 2013-01-07, at 10:54 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
What kind of cisco tunnel? I'm curious as to if I could replicate
any of that setup with open source stuff...
I have a Cisco 7206VXR router that has Cisco's Decnet implementation
on it. It is now acting as my area router, and connects to Dave's
Cisco via an IP tunnel. From what I understand, Cisco's Decnet
implementation is proprietary - not sure if it works well with
non-Cisco stuff.
Ian
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 1/7/2013 2:05 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
On 2013-01-07, at 11:03 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
I also have Cisco tunnels running.
Any interest in adding one more for me?
Ian
Sure thing, what's your IP?
Mine is: 216.15.64.181
-brian
On 7 Jan 2013, at 14:08, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 14:02
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 48.....
On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Wouldn't it be ironic if Hecnet ran out of addresses :)
Does anyone know what the largest DECnet deplayment was
duing the good old days?
The internal net at DEC was seriously out of addresses,
though just like IP that's partly because the addressing
scheme forced it to be somewhat sparse. Still, there were
certainly tens of thousands of nodes on it.
paul
And let's not forget the hidden areas that DEC was forced to go to
Hidden areas? ;)
-Steve
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 14:02
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 48.....
On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Wouldn't it be ironic if Hecnet ran out of addresses :)
Does anyone know what the largest DECnet deplayment was
duing the good old days?
The internal net at DEC was seriously out of addresses,
though just like IP that's partly because the addressing
scheme forced it to be somewhat sparse. Still, there were
certainly tens of thousands of nodes on it.
paul
And let's not forget the hidden areas that DEC was forced to go to...
-Steve
On 2013-01-07, at 11:03 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
I also have Cisco tunnels running.
Any interest in adding one more for me?
Ian
Because the one downside of the Cisco's is they don't speak NICE. It would be awesome if they did.
-brian
On 1/7/2013 2:03 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Well it doesn't play nice with the mapper Brian H and me are working on..
sampsa
On 7 Jan 2013, at 20:59, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
On 2013-01-07, at 10:54 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
What kind of cisco tunnel? I'm curious as to if I could replicate any of that setup with open source stuff...
I have a Cisco 7206VXR router that has Cisco's Decnet implementation on it. It is now acting as my area router, and connects to Dave's Cisco via an IP tunnel. From what I understand, Cisco's Decnet implementation is proprietary - not sure if it works well with non-Cisco stuff.
Ian
