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by system＠TMESIS.COM

Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes: On 1/8/2013 10:55 AM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > What version of VMS and how do you get back the NCP$_NETIO error? OpenVMS E8.4 on node RHESUS 8-JAN-2013 19:03:23.78 Uptime 8 04:55:33 If you get an actual text string back, you might try: > > "PIPE NCP TELL.... ; SHOW SYMBOL $STATUS" Oooh, that's nifty. I'll have to do that. I don't see why you can't just issue the NCL TELL from the command line > just once to get the failure results. Because the failure is transient. It's not happening 100% of the time. Fair 'nuff... Make certain you maintain space around the ';' or DCL parsing may think it's a file version separator. Since the ';' was already spoken for in VMS, applying unix pipeline syntax requires that spacing for the ';'. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

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NCP-F-NETIO

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/8/2013 10:55 AM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: What version of VMS and how do you get back the NCP$_NETIO error? OpenVMS E8.4 on node RHESUS 8-JAN-2013 19:03:23.78 Uptime 8 04:55:33 If you get an actual text string back, you might try: "PIPE NCP TELL.... ; SHOW SYMBOL $STATUS" Oooh, that's nifty. I'll have to do that. I don't see why you can't just issue the NCL TELL from the command line just once to get the failure results. Because the failure is transient. It's not happening 100% of the time. -brian

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NCP-F-NETIO

by system＠TMESIS.COM

Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes: On 1/7/2013 3:21 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > Can't you issue it from the command line? Python, if you are issuing the > command from os.system("TELL...") is probably just spawning off commands. > The context will be lost if that's the case. I'm using is.popen(), so yeah, i think i'm out of luck in that case. I'll just have to add some logic to maybe re-try the node if I get this. What version of VMS and how do you get back the NCP$_NETIO error? If you get an actual text string back, you might try: "PIPE NCP TELL.... ; SHOW SYMBOL $STATUS" I don't see why you can't just issue the NCL TELL from the command line just once to get the failure results. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

I'll send out a "let me know if you aren't showing up" email when i'm ready to tackle stuff that's being missed. Hang tight. :) -brian On 1/8/2013 9:47 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Area 44 is also missing. Anything I ought to have done? Hans -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:33:27 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] _PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H. On 1/7/2013 9:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Sampsa, I appear to be missing. Are you able to add me? No, you are missing because you can't currently be found. We'll find you, be patient. :) My area router is A42RTR 42.1023. It is adjacent to SUN 52.1 and GW 61.1. Unfortunately for your scanning program, 42.1023 is a Cisco router. Yeah, Cisco routers have yet to be tackled. -brian

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NCP-F-NETIO

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/7/2013 3:21 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: Can't you issue it from the command line? Python, if you are issuing the command from os.system("TELL...") is probably just spawning off commands. The context will be lost if that's the case. I'm using is.popen(), so yeah, i think i'm out of luck in that case. I'll just have to add some logic to maybe re-try the node if I get this. -brian

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PDP-11 OSes in SIMH

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/6/2013 8:04 PM, Clem Cole wrote: well the cluster stuff that TruCluster is based is already FOSS. checkout OpenSSI.org. sadly that tree is dead/or nearly so. Bruce stopped working on it and never was able to get the vproc layer into the Linux upstream sources. which is a real shame Oh, nice! Maybe we should get that somewhere else. Like NetBSD or rolled into the Illumos stuff. :) -brian

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Area 44 is also missing. Anything I ought to have done? Hans -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:33:27 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] _PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H. On 1/7/2013 9:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Sampsa, I appear to be missing. Are you able to add me? No, you are missing because you can't currently be found. We'll find you, be patient. :) My area router is A42RTR 42.1023. It is adjacent to SUN 52.1 and GW 61.1. Unfortunately for your scanning program, 42.1023 is a Cisco router. Yeah, Cisco routers have yet to be tackled. -brian

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MOP vs. Cisco, was Re: [HECnet] _PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/8/2013 9:28 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-01-08 07:02, Dave McGuire wrote: On 01/08/2013 12:53 AM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: The problem with ssh is it's "out of band" as far as hecnet is concerned. It would be nice if the discovery was purely decnet. True. Well, if one can define access lists using DECnet addresses as filter terms, I'd be ok with that, for nonprivileged access. I've just verified that a MOP console request works from Linux using locally-stored authentication on the IOS side to establish a nonprivileged IOS CLI session on a 7206VXR running IOS 12.3(22), like so: $ moprc -v <MAC address> ...and like this from NCP under VMS: NCP> connect node gw physical address <MAC address> via <circuit-name> Note that the MAC address must have its octets delimited by colons under Linux, and hyphens under VMS. This is a service (protocol?) called Console Carrier Request. If you have Phase V, I think you use SET HOST/MOP under VMS. Under RSX, there is a special program called CCR that you use. And correct, this is not a routed protocol, so you need to be on the local network, and you cannot go through NCP on another machine using TELL. :-) I'm going to play with this. I think this is the solution to keeping cisco queries in-band. I'll report back on how I plan on using this. -brian

12 years, 11 months

_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/7/2013 9:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Sampsa, I appear to be missing. Are you able to add me? No, you are missing because you can't currently be found. We'll find you, be patient. :) My area router is A42RTR 42.1023. It is adjacent to SUN 52.1 and GW 61.1. Unfortunately for your scanning program, 42.1023 is a Cisco router. Yeah, Cisco routers have yet to be tackled. -brian

12 years, 11 months

_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/7/2013 7:57 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 7 Jan 2013, at 19:54,sampsa at mac.com wrote: >If we can't walk it by NCP, resutls are unpredictable. You can, it just kinda has infinite loops and whatnot. My code won't query a router more than once so loops are a non-issue. -brian

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