On 1/10/2013 5:26 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Brian,
If you need a real Cisco running decnet to point to for playing, I'll volunteer.
Ian
Thanks for the offer, but I have one. Once I've got some stable code I'll start bothering you all. :)
-brian
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 09:09
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Issues With Virtual Cisco Tunnels and HECnet
On 11 Jan 2013, at 08:17, Fred <fcoffey at misernet.net> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I was more wondering why the roundtrip time to 33.15 was
more-or-less
double what it was to a system around the world. ;)
*pops head up* Hey, that's me!
I'm on the local cable co, which usually gives good ping times.
Could have been doing transfers at that time perhaps?
Could be related to me -> Dave -> his other link -> Steve -> you. ;)
We need trace route for DECnet?
I can ping around (don't have a Cisco though) if someone
would like ...
Fred
This may not be a case of anything we are doing. In the last week or so
we have found (at one of the places I work) that the Internet is
experiencing high than usual delays. We were looking at it yesterday
and over the course of the day performance did improve, but early on it
was pathetic!
-Steve
On 11 Jan 2013, at 08:17, Fred <fcoffey at misernet.net> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I was more wondering why the roundtrip time to 33.15 was more-or-less double what it was to a system around the world. ;)
*pops head up* Hey, that's me!
I'm on the local cable co, which usually gives good ping times.
Could have been doing transfers at that time perhaps?
Could be related to me -> Dave -> his other link -> Steve -> you. ;)
We need trace route for DECnet?
I can ping around (don't have a Cisco though) if someone would like ...
Fred
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I was more wondering why the roundtrip time to 33.15 was more-or-less double what it was to a system around the world. ;)
*pops head up* Hey, that's me!
I'm on the local cable co, which usually gives good ping times.
Could have been doing transfers at that time perhaps?
I can ping around (don't have a Cisco though) if someone would like ...
Fred
On 10 Jan 2013, at 17:48, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/10/2013 04:36 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Well. It works fine now. Wooo.
marianne#ping 33.15
Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte DECnet echos to atg 0 area.node 33.15, timeout is 5 seconds:
!!!!!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 392/429/476 ms
marianne#ping 1.13
Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte DECnet echos to atg 0 area.node 1.13, timeout is 5 seconds:
!!!!!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 180/219/252 ms
I wonder why the times are so high :)
Let's see...an emulated computer running through an emulated router
going down a pipe to a real router, then back out the same pipe to a
machine on the other side of the planet. Hmm, why would that have
quarter-second ping times? ;)
I was more wondering why the roundtrip time to 33.15 was more-or-less double what it was to a system around the world. ;)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/10/2013 04:36 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Well. It works fine now. Wooo.
marianne#ping 33.15
Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte DECnet echos to atg 0 area.node 33.15, timeout is 5 seconds:
!!!!!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 392/429/476 ms
marianne#ping 1.13
Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte DECnet echos to atg 0 area.node 1.13, timeout is 5 seconds:
!!!!!
Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 180/219/252 ms
I wonder why the times are so high :)
Let's see...an emulated computer running through an emulated router
going down a pipe to a real router, then back out the same pipe to a
machine on the other side of the planet. Hmm, why would that have
quarter-second ping times? ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 9 Jan 2013, at 19:57, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
I've got a few people asking, so here's an attempt at describing the steps needed. You will probably have to google large parts of this if you've never used GNS3, virtualization, or Ciscos before, but hopefully this will point you in the right direction.
First, get GNS Workbench VM from http://rednectar.net/gns3-workbench/
Follow the directions there on how to set it up. For my purposes, I used a Cisco 7206VXR ROM image that is the same as the physical router I have, and I know it has DECnet support. If you need a copy, send me a private email and I can link you.
Once the ROM image is registered in GNS3, start building your network.
Drop a Cisco 7200 router and a cloud on the building area in GNS3.
Right-click the router, and configure. Select Slots, and put a C7200-IO-FE in slot 0. If you want a second network interface, put a PA-FE-TX in slot 1.
Right-click on the cloud, and configure.
Under Linux Enternet NIO, pick eth0, then add. This connects the cloud to your VM's network card.
Click on the "Add a link" icon at the top (looks like a RJ45 plug), then click the router, then pick e0/0, then click the cloud, then pick your network card.
Click on the stop sign that's now where the "Add a link" icon was.
You've now plugged your router in to the internet.
Click on the router, then click the green Play button. This will start the router.
Click the ">_" icon. This will open up a console to the router.
Once the router boots, hit enter a few times to get a command prompt in the router.
Once you've got a command prompt, you *need* to run Idle PC otherwise your VM will consume 100% resources.
Right-click the router, and select Idle PC. After it runs, it will give you a list of potential addresses. Pick one with a * by it. This is a bit of a black art - you may want to google if you have problems with this.
Now you need to put a config in the Cisco. Maybe someone else can help with how to run a cosco, but basically, the config you want will have these bits:
decnet routing a.b (your router's decnet address)
decnet node-type area
!
interface FastEthernet0/0
ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.x.x
no shutdown
!
interface Tunnel0
Description Tunnel to Hecnet
no ip address
decnet cost 10
tunnel source Fastethernet0/0
tunnel destination a.b.c.d (IP address of someone else's Cisco)
tunnel path-mtu-discovery
!
I've got to run out for the evening, so any assistance will be limited until I get back.
Have fun and experiment! I'm sure any of us with Cisco routers will be happy to be a tunnel destination.
Ian
On 2013-01-09, at 4:04 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 9 Jan 2013, at 19:00, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
On 2013-01-09, at 10:06 AM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
On 2013-01-09, at 10:03 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Get a Cisco. It's not like they're tough to find, or very expensive.
And you'll use it essentially forever. (because it will last that long!)
But emulation is free and here today, instead of waiting two weeks for an Ebay order to arrive :) Maybe I should try playing with it to see if it's even possible. If we could create a nice simple turnkey VM image, maybe more Hecnet members would implement it...
(I agree the hardware is the best way to go - it's bullet-proof and lives forever)
Okay, after a bit of wrangling, I have the following setup:
Mac OSX Snow Leopard (host machine), running Ubuntu 10.10 guest machine under Virtualbox. Inside the Ubuntu machine, I am running GNS3. Inside GNS3, I am emulating a Cisco 7206VXR router. Inside the router, I created a bridge back to my real 7206VXR at home. I created an area router with a dummy address of 42.1022.
Can I have a transcript of the commands run to configure DECnet on it to behave that way? I learn best by imitating other setups when it comes to stuff like this. ;)
It works! I'm getting full Hecnet routing tables. So, I've proven that we can have a poor-man's Cisco routing solution for Hecnet with nothing more than a VM image.
If anyone is interested, I used the VM image called GNS3 Workbench from http://rednectar.net/gns3-workbench/ as my source. I added an appropriate Cisco 7200 binary.
Ian.
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Cory Smelosky
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http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
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I've had an idea Raspberry Pi images with dynamips and dynagen pre-installed for use by HECnet members.
This could be a great idea if dynamips builds on ARM. :)
On 10 Jan 2013, at 17:26, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/10/2013 05:19 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yay! It works properly.
This is good news! Just to confirm, this is using GNS3/Dynamips, correct? Are you using one ethernet card or two?
Config generated in GNS3 and then migrated to pure dynagen + dynamips, yes.
One card. I'm willing to give my configuration if anyone wants it.
I gotta say i'm starting to like IOS. :)
IOS is really, really nice.
I'm glad you got it working, this is very cool!
Now for the crazy part getting it to handle dynamic IPs. :) (Doesn't seem too hard, quick googling shows IOS supports a CRON-like feature that can be used to update the IP on a tunnel periodically but does it support a powerful enough scripting language to re-resolve it in the config only if ping doesn't return anything?)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On 01/10/2013 05:19 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yay! It works properly.
This is good news! Just to confirm, this is using GNS3/Dynamips, correct? Are you using one ethernet card or two?
Config generated in GNS3 and then migrated to pure dynagen + dynamips, yes.
One card. I'm willing to give my configuration if anyone wants it.
I gotta say i'm starting to like IOS. :)
IOS is really, really nice.
I'm glad you got it working, this is very cool!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
