On 14 Jan 2013, at 12:37, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
What's the best alpha emulator to go with?
What OS?
-brian
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On the Alpha with VMS 6.1 I got exactly the same.
Erik
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 06:29:22PM +0100, G. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:20:43 +0100, you wrote:
I had to try too, under VAX/VMS 5.5-2:
Me too! VAX/VMS V4.7 :)
$ monitor ethernet
MONITOR> monitor ethernet
%MONITOR-E-NOCLASSES, no classes specified
MONITOR> monitor blah
%MONITOR-E-INVCLSNM, class-name "BLAH" is invalid or not uniquely identified
Who offers more? :P
G.
On 14 Jan 2013, at 12:29, G. <gerry77 at mail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:20:43 +0100, you wrote:
I had to try too, under VAX/VMS 5.5-2:
Me too! VAX/VMS V4.7 :)
$ monitor ethernet
MONITOR> monitor ethernet
%MONITOR-E-NOCLASSES, no classes specified
MONITOR> monitor blah
%MONITOR-E-INVCLSNM, class-name "BLAH" is invalid or not uniquely identified
Who offers more? :P
I can try on VMS 3.x I have a SIMH instance of it laying around.
I can't get 1.5 to boot without a BUG CHECK though...
G.
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:20:43 +0100, you wrote:
I had to try too, under VAX/VMS 5.5-2:
Me too! VAX/VMS V4.7 :)
$ monitor ethernet
MONITOR> monitor ethernet
%MONITOR-E-NOCLASSES, no classes specified
MONITOR> monitor blah
%MONITOR-E-INVCLSNM, class-name "BLAH" is invalid or not uniquely identified
Who offers more? :P
G.
MISSY::SYSTEM$ monitor ethernet
MONITOR> exit
MISSY::SYSTEM$ monitor notthere
%MONITOR-E-INVCLSNM, class-name "NOTTHERE" is invalid or not uniquely identified
This is on VMS 8.4.
Looks like there's some support left then. I'm willing to be that some very similar patches would turn on whatever support is left. The old patches were.like this...naturally, this is useless on modern versions of VMS, but it hints what sort of data structure to look for and what bit to drop to reenable these turned off classes - bit nine set was what keeps a class from displaying. I'd guess a dump of the image would find a table that had some 11's and 211's at some fixed spacing..
$ Patch Monitor.exe
REPLACE 4158+33e
211
exit
11
exit
replace 4158+391
211
exit
11
exit
replace 4158+48a
235
exit
35
exit
replace 4158+583
211
exit
11
exit
replace 4158+629
211
exit
11
exit
replace/long 170f6 ! additional for V4.6
00000000
exit
00000660 ! specify valid protocol value for $QIOW to hack deuna
exit
update
exit
$ exit
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I had to try too, under VAX/VMS 5.5-2:
$ monitor
MONITOR> monitor ethernet
%MONITOR-E-NOCLASSES, no classes specified
MONITOR> monitor notthere
%MONITOR-E-INVCLSNM, class-name "NOTTHERE" is invalid or not uniquely identified
MONITOR>
Erik
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 04:51:47PM +0000, lee.gleason at comcast.net wrote:
I wrote the original patches for Monitor that enabled those hidden classes, and the Pagewapper article that detailed how to apply them
I haven't had an opportunity to check on newer versions of VMS, but it's trivial to see if at least some support is still there for them.
On a VMS system, try
$ MON ETHERNET
or any of the other undocumented monitor classes. Then try a command that definitely isn't going to be there
$ MON NOTTHERE
If the error messages are different - then at least some of the support for the undocumented classes is still there.
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From: "H Vlems" <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:21:30 PM
Subject: RE: [HECnet] SCSISE adapter -> listings
Brian,
Speaking of source listings, VMS V4.<mumble> had a "secret" patch for
MONITOR.EXE. It enabled the monitor class Ethernet. Is that code still
hidden in MONITOR?
The MONITOR utility was written in PL/I at the time. Probably rewritten,
right?
Hans
On 14 Jan 2013, at 11:51, lee.gleason at comcast.net wrote:
I wrote the original patches for Monitor that enabled those hidden classes, and the Pagewapper article that detailed how to apply them
I haven't had an opportunity to check on newer versions of VMS, but it's trivial to see if at least some support is still there for them.
On a VMS system, try
$ MON ETHERNET
or any of the other undocumented monitor classes. Then try a command that definitely isn't going to be there
$ MON NOTTHERE
If the error messages are different - then at least some of the support for the undocumented classes is still there.
MISSY::SYSTEM$ monitor ethernet
MONITOR> exit
MISSY::SYSTEM$ monitor notthere
%MONITOR-E-INVCLSNM, class-name "NOTTHERE" is invalid or not uniquely identified
This is on VMS 8.4.
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Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
From: "H Vlems" <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:21:30 PM
Subject: RE: [HECnet] SCSISE adapter -> listings
Brian,
Speaking of source listings, VMS V4.<mumble> had a "secret" patch for
MONITOR.EXE. It enabled the monitor class Ethernet. Is that code still
hidden in MONITOR?
The MONITOR utility was written in PL/I at the time. Probably rewritten,
right?
Hans
--
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
Correction:
On VAX/VMS 6.1 monitor ethernet results in the Monitor> prompt.
Retyping monitor ethernet gives:
Monitor-E-Noclasses, no classes specified
Monitor blabla (in monitor) gives class name BLABLA is iinvalid or not uniquely identified.
On AXP/VMS 8.3
Mon ethernet gets the Monitor> prompt and retyping it gives nothing, just Monitor> again. Monitor blabla gives the same error as on VAX.
Hans
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I wrote the original patches for Monitor that enabled those hidden classes, and the Pagewapper article that detailed how to apply them
I haven't had an opportunity to check on newer versions of VMS, but it's trivial to see if at least some support is still there for them.
On a VMS system, try
$ MON ETHERNET
or any of the other undocumented monitor classes. Then try a command that definitely isn't going to be there
$ MON NOTTHERE
If the error messages are different - then at least some of the support for the undocumented classes is still there.
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
From: "H Vlems" <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:21:30 PM
Subject: RE: [HECnet] SCSISE adapter -> listings
Brian,
Speaking of source listings, VMS V4.<mumble> had a "secret" patch for
MONITOR.EXE. It enabled the monitor class Ethernet. Is that code still
hidden in MONITOR?
The MONITOR utility was written in PL/I at the time. Probably rewritten,
right?
Hans
I recall, that that indicates at least some support is still there. See what happens when you do MONITOR BADCLASS or any other nonexistent class - it should be different.
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Control-G Consultants
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From: hvlems at zonnet.nl
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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:58:19 AM
Subject: Re: [HECnet] SCSISE adapter -> listings
Curious that I am I did try
MONITOR ETHERNET on a VAX/VMS 6.1 system and on an AXP/VMS 8.3 system and all I saw was the command prompt.
No other output.
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] SCSISE adapter -> listings
I wrote the original patches for Monitor that enabled those hidden classes, and the Pagewapper article that detailed how to apply them
I haven't had an opportunity to check on newer versions of VMS, but it's trivial to see if at least some support is still there for them.
On a VMS system, try
$ MON ETHERNET
or any of the other undocumented monitor classes. Then try a command that definitely isn't going to be there
$ MON NOTTHERE
If the error messages are different - then at least some of the support for the undocumented classes is still there.
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
From: "H Vlems" <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:21:30 PM
Subject: RE: [HECnet] SCSISE adapter -> listings
Brian,
Speaking of source listings, VMS V4.<mumble> had a "secret" patch for
MONITOR.EXE. It enabled the monitor class Ethernet. Is that code still
hidden in MONITOR?
The MONITOR utility was written in PL/I at the time. Probably rewritten,
right?
Hans
