sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Has anybody tried to set this up? I think it'd be nifty if we had say Hercules with MVS connected to HECnet..
If I ever get off my ass and get on HECnet, I might even be able to hook a real mainframe (at least part of the time) to the network.
Peace... Sridhar
i have them on another slow link in Finland.
a11pi::[.alpha084]
--Saku
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-01-14 23:37, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
TITAAN (44.35) was shutdown just now. If there still is interest for VMS kits or layered products : just tell me and I"l boot it again.
Hans
Hans, don't you have any other machine where you can host the files?
Johnny
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On 01/14/2013 08:09 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Unless you want to run OS/390. ;)
Good luck FINDING OS/390.
Unless, of course, you know the right people. *ahem*.
And those people might have several releases of VM, and maybe z/OS
(what OS/390 became) as well.
But I have no idea of who might have such stuff, of course.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/14/2013 08:14 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
All this talk about IBM mainframe technology and gatewaying it to
Hecnet - is there an equivalent hobby group in the IBM community?
There are several, in fact, but not of the "WAN/VPN" sort, at least
not yet. The night is young!
I know absolutely nothing about SNA or anything IBM, but I'd love to
learn :)
The learning curve is pretty much VERTICAL, but I'm sure you can
handle it.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/14/2013 08:14 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Hercules can run OS/390 and z/OS. One of those supports SNA over IP. I'm not sure which. I think Dave might know a bit about this.
Not sure the VMS SNA stuff support SNA over IP though, could we get a Cisco router to convert it to regular SNA?
I'd be up for hacking on this a bit.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/14/2013 08:12 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Unless you want to run OS/390. ;)
What on real hardware? Or some emulator that does SNA..?
Hercules can run OS/390 and z/OS. One of those supports SNA over IP.
I'm not sure which. I think Dave might know a bit about this.
I've not done direct SNA over IP.
Note that Hercules can make virtual 3270s appear as tn3270-protocol
ports over IP. This works quite well. The MVS (or VM, etc) system
thinks they're connected via an establishment controller.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/14/2013 08:11 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Unless you want to run OS/390. ;)
What on real hardware? Or some emulator that does SNA..?
Real hardware is KING, man! If someone can find me a FICON DASD
array, I'll bring up a beefy z/Series machine.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2013-01-15 03:17, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 14 Jan 2013, at 21:15, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-01-15 02:41, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Somebody was asking for a better benchmark than VUPS earlier, I found WHETSTONE.C on GORVAX which calculates MIPS. Not sure how much better it is than VUPS.COM, but here are some results:
GORVAX (SIMH VAX, on a Core i5)
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 5 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 20.0 MIPS
CHIMPY (DS10)
Loops: 10000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 2 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 500.0 MIPS
RHESUS (rx2600)
Loops: 100000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 4 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 2500.0 MIPS
I've attached the C source to this message, and will put binaries for all three platforms as well as the source in RHESUS::[.MEDIALIB.WHETSTONE]
Just as a comparision, using the DEC PDP-11 C compiler:
JOCKE (11/94 using simh on a i7 at 3.4 GHz):
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 16 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 6.3 MIPS
MIM (11/74 using e11 on a PIII at 548 MHz):
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 55 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 1.8 MIPS
PONDUS (11/93 using a J11 at 18 MHz or so):
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 639 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 156.5 KIPS
Now, the DEC PDP-11 C compiler produces rather poor code, but still some fun numbers to look at. (And E11 looks pretty good.)
If there's a PDP-11 PL/I compiler, join me in benchmarking using some PL/I examples I found on kednos.com ;)
Don't think I've ever seen one. I have F4, F77, Pascal, BASIC+2, COBOL, BCPL, Simula-2, Xlisp, TECO, Forth... Possibly some other things that I can't remember now...
Johnny
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pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 14 Jan 2013, at 21:15, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-01-15 02:41, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Somebody was asking for a better benchmark than VUPS earlier, I found WHETSTONE.C on GORVAX which calculates MIPS. Not sure how much better it is than VUPS.COM, but here are some results:
GORVAX (SIMH VAX, on a Core i5)
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 5 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 20.0 MIPS
CHIMPY (DS10)
Loops: 10000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 2 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 500.0 MIPS
RHESUS (rx2600)
Loops: 100000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 4 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 2500.0 MIPS
I've attached the C source to this message, and will put binaries for all three platforms as well as the source in RHESUS::[.MEDIALIB.WHETSTONE]
Just as a comparision, using the DEC PDP-11 C compiler:
JOCKE (11/94 using simh on a i7 at 3.4 GHz):
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 16 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 6.3 MIPS
MIM (11/74 using e11 on a PIII at 548 MHz):
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 55 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 1.8 MIPS
PONDUS (11/93 using a J11 at 18 MHz or so):
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 639 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 156.5 KIPS
Now, the DEC PDP-11 C compiler produces rather poor code, but still some fun numbers to look at. (And E11 looks pretty good.)
If there's a PDP-11 PL/I compiler, join me in benchmarking using some PL/I examples I found on kednos.com ;)
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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On 2013-01-15 02:41, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Somebody was asking for a better benchmark than VUPS earlier, I found WHETSTONE.C on GORVAX which calculates MIPS. Not sure how much better it is than VUPS.COM, but here are some results:
GORVAX (SIMH VAX, on a Core i5)
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 5 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 20.0 MIPS
CHIMPY (DS10)
Loops: 10000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 2 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 500.0 MIPS
RHESUS (rx2600)
Loops: 100000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 4 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 2500.0 MIPS
I've attached the C source to this message, and will put binaries for all three platforms as well as the source in RHESUS::[.MEDIALIB.WHETSTONE]
Just as a comparision, using the DEC PDP-11 C compiler:
JOCKE (11/94 using simh on a i7 at 3.4 GHz):
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 16 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 6.3 MIPS
MIM (11/74 using e11 on a PIII at 548 MHz):
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 55 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 1.8 MIPS
PONDUS (11/93 using a J11 at 18 MHz or so):
Loops: 1000, Iterations: 1, Duration: 639 sec.
C Converted Double Precision Whetstones: 156.5 KIPS
Now, the DEC PDP-11 C compiler produces rather poor code, but still some fun numbers to look at. (And E11 looks pretty good.)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
