El 16/01/2013, a les 2:37, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
I had no idea that network still existed I haven't heard any mention of it in ages. A quick wikipedia says it's still quite huge. Hmmmm.
If I'm not wrong its user base is mostly european.
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El 15/01/2013, a les 2:12, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Hercules can run OS/390 and z/OS. One of those supports SNA over IP. I'm not sure which. I think Dave might know a bit about this.
Not natively. You need one of those megabucky IBM products called "Enterprise Extender" to do that.
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On 15 Jan 2013, at 20:34, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
El 15/01/2013, a les 4:05, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> va escriure:
Good luck FINDING OS/390.
Unless, of course, you know the right people. *ahem*.
Actually it is not _so_ hard. It's highly ilegal though...
Just use that P2P network whose name begins with "em" and ends with "ule". The magic word to search for is ADCD (not to be confused with the aussie heavy metal band of a similar name).
I had no idea that network still existed I haven't heard any mention of it in ages. A quick wikipedia says it's still quite huge. Hmmmm.
Oh, that's about 10GB, so be ready to be patient :)
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El 15/01/2013, a les 4:05, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> va escriure:
Good luck FINDING OS/390.
Unless, of course, you know the right people. *ahem*.
Actually it is not _so_ hard. It's highly ilegal though...
Just use that P2P network whose name begins with "em" and ends with "ule". The magic word to search for is ADCD (not to be confused with the aussie heavy metal band of a similar name).
Oh, that's about 10GB, so be ready to be patient :)
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On 15 Jan 2013, at 20:29, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
If someone is interested, I have published the source code and the basic circuitry I have been using. I have also built a virtual console for the virtual pdp-11. Or if you like it more, a simulation of the simulated console for the simulated PDP-11.
Can I then simulate the simulation of the simulation for the simulated simulation or however many levels I just recursed? ;)
http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/blinkenlights-not-so-difficult-a…
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El 15/01/2013, a les 1:41, sampsa at mac.com va escriure:
Has anybody tried to set this up? I think it'd be nifty if we had say Hercules with MVS connected to HECnet..
The hardware part in the IBM side has not been emulated afaik... You need a 3745 if I'm not wrong, and Hercules don't provide that.
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If someone is interested, I have published the source code and the basic circuitry I have been using. I have also built a virtual console for the virtual pdp-11. Or if you like it more, a simulation of the simulated console for the simulated PDP-11.
http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/blinkenlights-not-so-difficult-a…
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
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PS: This mail _could_ end being duplicated... I apologize for it
On 15 Jan 2013, at 19:55, Clem Cole wrote:
So, if you really want to do this type of analysis, I think for the effort you suggesting, it be worth the extra time to dig up a copy of specint and run that not whetstone. What is cool is that all the manufacturers published their spec numbers so you can see what you should expect and what you get so you'll have real base line and be able to make some more direct inferences.
*FORGET* I ever asked... ;)
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On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote:
It did do IA-32, IA-64, Alpha, MIPS.
And INTEL*64 to an extent (although it was not released). As I understand it, the project was show it could be done and it was fodder/part of the GEM vs Intel C war that GEM lost. But as I understand it from my compiler friends, it was fairy easy to take the x32 tables and make them 64 bits and add new instructions. The advantage was the IL was easier to do some of the cool things INTEL*64 needs but alas it was in BLISS and Intel was not going to base it's compiler's on BLISS (which I can understand from a business standpoint].
As Grove once told me, GEM was designed to be a compiler to last 25 years. They knew it would have to support a number of features we now re having a heck of time dealing with in today's code generators and ILs. No other suite so far has done as wide job and able to handle the diversity of languages and architectures.
GCC has been made to work, and was the first FOSS compiler to come close. But the difference between GCC's code generator for INTEL*64 compared to icc is not even close for real applications programs.
It will be interesting to see if LLVM is able to do as well as GEM did. You have a lot of the thought leaders in compiler land betting on it. Apple's moved to it. Intel will do something with it for the Exascale machines because DOE wants it, as will IBM or any other firm that wants to "prime" a Supercomputer in the future I would bet (but do not know).
On 2013-01-15 22:27, Clem Cole wrote:
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
he DEC PDP-11 C runs on the PDP-11, it's not a cross compiler.
Interesting, I learned something here. As I said - by that time, I
long lost interest in the 11.
I'll have to ask around up here in compiler land if anyone remembers
anything about it and who led its development.
I have that information *somewhere*. If noone else can recall, I'll try and dig it up.
Johnny
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