If you run cable inside the heating ducts, make sure it's plenum rated (FT6).
Ian
On 2013-01-16, at 3:16 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/16/2013 05:37 PM, Dennis Boone wrote:
Running cables all the way from the second floor isn't viable.
"Not viable to run cable" usually comes down to "too lazy". Not
throwing stones: I've been lazy about cabling too. But you might
consider bouncing the particulars off of the crowd to see if there are
any suggestions for overcoming the obstacles. Wired really is the most
stable and reliable, for all the wireless hoopla these days.
Agreed. Wireless == suck. (and I design wireless comm gear for a
living!) Run the wires. You'll be glad you did.
One possibility might be running the cable through your heating ducts,
if your house has them. Lots of people have done that with great success.
-Dave
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On 01/16/2013 06:14 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
100m
That would work for running outside a house between floors I think. ;)
Be sure to either use a conduit or use outdoor-rated cable. If
sunlight hits standard Ethernet cable, the UV will destroy the outer
jacket in short order, and it will just crumble away. You'd be very
lucky if it lasted two summers.
-Dave
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On 16 Jan 2013, at 18:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/16/2013 05:37 PM, Dennis Boone wrote:
Running cables all the way from the second floor isn't viable.
"Not viable to run cable" usually comes down to "too lazy". Not
throwing stones: I've been lazy about cabling too. But you might
consider bouncing the particulars off of the crowd to see if there are
any suggestions for overcoming the obstacles. Wired really is the most
stable and reliable, for all the wireless hoopla these days.
Agreed. Wireless == suck. (and I design wireless comm gear for a
living!) Run the wires. You'll be glad you did.
One possibility might be running the cable through your heating ducts,
if your house has them. Lots of people have done that with great success.
That poses the challenge of getting the cable to go to the right place. ;)
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
On 01/16/2013 05:37 PM, Dennis Boone wrote:
Running cables all the way from the second floor isn't viable.
"Not viable to run cable" usually comes down to "too lazy". Not
throwing stones: I've been lazy about cabling too. But you might
consider bouncing the particulars off of the crowd to see if there are
any suggestions for overcoming the obstacles. Wired really is the most
stable and reliable, for all the wireless hoopla these days.
Agreed. Wireless == suck. (and I design wireless comm gear for a
living!) Run the wires. You'll be glad you did.
One possibility might be running the cable through your heating ducts,
if your house has them. Lots of people have done that with great success.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 16 Jan 2013, at 18:13, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
100m
That would work for running outside a house between floors I think. ;)
Ian
On 2013-01-16, at 2:58 PM, Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> wrote:
I'm considering powerline as well instead of bugging someone to do the
crimping for me or running cables along the siding. ;)
The cableco will run cable outside; why shouldn't you? :)
As to crimping, don't. Buy patch cables. It's easier, and _far_ more
reliable. Individual punch down blocks are easier to get right, larger
and easier to see, and a neater solution. Home improvement stores sell
the little baseboard boxes and keystone jacks, and have cheap little
plastic tools for terminating the wire so the investment is minimal.
De
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100m
Ian
On 2013-01-16, at 2:58 PM, Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> wrote:
I'm considering powerline as well instead of bugging someone to do the
crimping for me or running cables along the siding. ;)
The cableco will run cable outside; why shouldn't you? :)
As to crimping, don't. Buy patch cables. It's easier, and _far_ more
reliable. Individual punch down blocks are easier to get right, larger
and easier to see, and a neater solution. Home improvement stores sell
the little baseboard boxes and keystone jacks, and have cheap little
plastic tools for terminating the wire so the investment is minimal.
De
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On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:58, Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> wrote:
I'm considering powerline as well instead of bugging someone to do the
crimping for me or running cables along the siding. ;)
The cableco will run cable outside; why shouldn't you? :)
As to crimping, don't. Buy patch cables. It's easier, and _far_ more
reliable. Individual punch down blocks are easier to get right, larger
and easier to see, and a neater solution. Home improvement stores sell
the little baseboard boxes and keystone jacks, and have cheap little
plastic tools for terminating the wire so the investment is minimal.
What's the maximum length for cat5e/6?
De
I'm considering powerline as well instead of bugging someone to do the
crimping for me or running cables along the siding. ;)
The cableco will run cable outside; why shouldn't you? :)
As to crimping, don't. Buy patch cables. It's easier, and _far_ more
reliable. Individual punch down blocks are easier to get right, larger
and easier to see, and a neater solution. Home improvement stores sell
the little baseboard boxes and keystone jacks, and have cheap little
plastic tools for terminating the wire so the investment is minimal.
De
On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:42, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
I have a similar situation with my garage - my DEC collection lives in the garage, but the Internet connection is in the main house. At the moment, the problem is solved with an Apple Airport in the main house and an Aiport Express in bridge mode in the garage. Unfortunately, this isn't as reliable as I had hoped - I get quite a few dropped packets. I was considering the powerline option. 50Mbps isn't a problem considering the majority of the DEC stuff is 10Mbps half duplex :)
I'm considering powerline as well instead of bugging someone to do the crimping for me or running cables along the siding. ;)
Ian
On 2013-01-16, at 2:38 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:37, Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> wrote:
Running cables all the way from the second floor isn't viable.
"Not viable to run cable" usually comes down to "too lazy". Not
throwing stones: I've been lazy about cabling too. But you might
consider bouncing the particulars off of the crowd to see if there are
any suggestions for overcoming the obstacles. Wired really is the most
stable and reliable, for all the wireless hoopla these days.
It'd get messy with drilling holes and running it through walls and whatnot, but I know it'd be the best.
De
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On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:30 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
...
Focal, Coral, Jovial (gag), Mumps. Then from the outside world: Algol-60, Algol-68,...
Hello!
What's wrong with Jovial? We've built a great air traffic control
system around it. Too bad the hardware is old enough to vote.
The designer clearly demonstrated that he has few brain cells and none of them contain any knowledge about structured programming languages or for that matter any of the design principles that make Algol-60 what it is.
I don't remember enough of the details, but that much was immediately obvious by inspection, and my conclusion was that I know all I need to know and I will never look for more.
paul
Hello!
Paul sadly at the time that's what was needed to build an incredibly
lousy ATC system. Now we need a better one, and I'm not going into
those details because it's Off Topic.
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