On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/17/2013 02:43 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
I know right? I'm amazed they still work!
Ahh, young'ns. ;) You're accustomed to brand-new drives dying in a
year or two. That's a relatively recent thing, designed to drive
sales figures.
Yeah. That's why belligerent bastards like me ALWAYS send 2-year old
corpses back to the manufacturer for replacement under warranty. I
ain't paying for a drive to die after 18 months when I have drives
here I bought and used 10 years ago that are still 100% working!!
Yep.
[Dave glances over at a stack of 40-year-old RK05s that work great..]
-Dave
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Hello!
The only reason why those middle-aged drives work is because they've
got great backup...
I've got a crowd of SCSI drives here that agree with you Dave.
There's also a pair of one hundred year old Yetis outside who agree.
When they aren't doing things......
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On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:05, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Two Linksys WAP54G units, that's what I'd do. The WAP54G is fairly old so may be cheap on EBay.
But you're not a Linksys fan, are you?
No, but from what I've recently learned, MoCa is going to be a great solution and I think it's what i'm going to go with.
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On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:29, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Ethernet over mainspower runs at 50 Mb/s (a friend uses such a product). It is reliable but both rooms are on the same phase.
Wireless is your best bet. Two accesspoints in "remote bridge mode" ought to do the job.
If all else fails run ethernet over a phone line, 10 Mb/s is feasible depending on distance.
Any suggestions for access point models? I need one that doesn't suck if I go that approach.
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Hello!
I'm going to be moving some of my equipment to the basement here for several reasons (heat produced, noise, space, et cetera), and in planning i'm hitting a roadblock: networking.
I've come up with several ideas:
Wireless client-bridge: Linksys e1000 is garbage and doesn't like to pass DECnet or any of those protocols, so i'd either need a workaround or a better router. (workaround being: a virtual cisco tunnel to my other virtual cisco?) (Other router: /real/ Cisco or a another suggestion from someone on this list)
Powerline ethernet: Is this reliable yet? How are the transfer speeds?
Or: Adding a phone jack, getting DSL on the second line here. (installation costs, but would actually be $2 more/month to upgrade current plan + add a second identical plan not counting hardware rental fees, setup costs, and that stuff)
Running cables all the way from the second floor isn't viable.
Any (viable) options i'm missing?
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On 01/17/2013 03:11 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I could be arsed to give it a whirl, if you think there's any
possibility of it actually booting. I'd rather not go dig it out if
there's little chance, though.
Now, I'm aware that you're "all up in there" with VMS internals...Is
there any chance of your being able to make it run (I understand that
there'd likely be low-level driver work involved) on an unsupported
system such as this?
Anything is possible; however, I've been involved in too many Sisyphean
efforts to know that you might be better off getting a supported system
if it doesn't boot.
Ahh. Well, I *have* this machine already (got it for free), and
although nice boxes like rx2620s are pretty cheap, I'm not into shelling
out more bucks for such a box at the moment. In general I agree with
your position though.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:42, Dave McGuire wrote:
For shame.
Sorry, I have nothing to run on it. If you fix that problem, I'll be
very happy. :)
Use it to heat your bath water, Itaniums should be ideal for that ;)
I installed Linux on it, but it was slower than pissing tar.
Not only that but it doesn't like working all that much, especially
when it comes to desktops and GUIs.
On Itanium you mean?
Yeah, due to the fact mine had a FireGL X1 in it, Linux basically decided it was not playing ball. A Radeon 7500 would fix it (and also in OpenVMS) but alas finding one is a great toil.
OpenVMS 8.4 (2011 version) runs like hot snot on my zx6000 :D I
wouldn't run Debian on it - it's a waste of electricity for just
another Linux box. HP-UX... well lets just say a favourite joke about
THAT was to reverse the H and the P then pronounce it as an acronym
;)
Unfortunately it doesn't run on this machine. :-( I wish it did.
If it's no HP (I just retyped this part!!) then there's not a huge chance it will work. I don't know if OpenVMS or the HP firmware has the EFI software needed to boot OpenVMS.
Not enough RAM by a long chalk. For a 4-way Itanium you need 8GB
MINIMUM IMHO :)
That depends on what one is doing, I'd imagine. ;)
Itanium eats RAM when doing anything much. Mine came with (hold onto your pants) 24GB of RAM installed in it. It *was* a CAD workstation at an F1 team, but even still... 24GB might be common now in the 64-bit PC era but in 2003 that was actually more RAM than my PC had hard drive space! :P
I use 8GB. In my Integrity box the RAM is banked per CPU, so I have 4GB per socket. I don't know if yours is the same?
I patted my UltraSPARCs (which run at HALF that clock rate)
affectionately on that day.
I miss using my U60 but Oracle took my ball away and now I'm grumpy
:(
Huh? My UltraSPARCs still run great. I wouldn't be exchanging email
with you now if they weren't. ;) Besides, OpenIndiana is on the cusp of
having installable SPARC builds supporting just about every UltraSPARC
in existence.
Yeah, I lost interest when Oracle slammed the door, but if OpenIndiana looks promising on SPARC there may be hop for my Ultra 60 yet :)
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Two Linksys WAP54G units, that's what I'd do. The WAP54G is fairly old so may be cheap on EBay.
But you're not a Linksys fan, are you?
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On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:29, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Ethernet over mainspower runs at 50 Mb/s (a friend uses such a product). It is reliable but both rooms are on the same phase.
Wireless is your best bet. Two accesspoints in "remote bridge mode" ought to do the job.
If all else fails run ethernet over a phone line, 10 Mb/s is feasible depending on distance.
Any suggestions for access point models? I need one that doesn't suck if I go that approach.
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Onderwerp: [HECnet] Multi-floor household (DECnet) routing help needed
Verzonden: 16 januari 2013 23:12
Hello!
I'm going to be moving some of my equipment to the basement here for several reasons (heat produced, noise, space, et cetera), and in planning i'm hitting a roadblock: networking.
I've come up with several ideas:
Wireless client-bridge: Linksys e1000 is garbage and doesn't like to pass DECnet or any of those protocols, so i'd either need a workaround or a better router. (workaround being: a virtual cisco tunnel to my other virtual cisco?) (Other router: /real/ Cisco or a another suggestion from someone on this list)
Powerline ethernet: Is this reliable yet? How are the transfer speeds?
Or: Adding a phone jack, getting DSL on the second line here. (installation costs, but would actually be $2 more/month to upgrade current plan + add a second identical plan not counting hardware rental fees, setup costs, and that stuff)
Running cables all the way from the second floor isn't viable.
Any (viable) options i'm missing?
--
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On 01/17/2013 02:54 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
If you can access its BMC to boot from DVD, then see what happens when
you execute the EFI boot file for VMS. It if can't boot, it will show
up rather quickly if VMS is not able to find support drivers and other
primordial bits and pieces to boot.
I could be arsed to give it a whirl, if you think there's any
possibility of it actually booting. I'd rather not go dig it out if
there's little chance, though.
Now, I'm aware that you're "all up in there" with VMS internals...Is
there any chance of your being able to make it run (I understand that
there'd likely be low-level driver work involved) on an unsupported
system such as this?
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 1/17/2013 2:49 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:18, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Mark Benson<md.benson at gmail.com> writes:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 17:40, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
What compilers do you need? I could possibly set them up on RHESUS..
Whatever is required to compile SimH and libpcap on VMS 8.4, I assume.
I'm intrigued to see how well the VAX simulation does on an Integrity in
= an OS that was actually deliberately ported to Itanium, not
accidentally = stuffed on there 'because'. If someone has the OpenVMS
Integrity = binaries that'd do for a start...
I assume SimH is written in 'C'. You can get a hobbyist license for VMS
from HP for Itanium. HP then gives you access to distributions as well
as PAKs for VMS and some layered products.
I have the PAK, I've had a Hobbyist PAK as long as I've had the Integrity, I need the software however...
I have the Hobbyist CDs for VAX and Alpha but no such thing seems to exist for Integrity last I checked.
If you've gotten a Hobbyist PAK recently (i.e. within the last year) then you can email the fellow at HP that sent you the PAKs and he wills end you an FTP logon to download IA64 OpenVMS 8.4 and stuff. If you haven't, then when you renew you can ask.
John H. Reinhardt
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 01/17/2013 02:44 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: >> On
01/17/2013 02:11 PM, Mark Benson wrote: >> Not a damn thing. ;) >> It
hasn't been powered on in about two >> years. > > For shame. >> >>
Sorry, I have nothing to run on it. If you fix that problem, I'll >> be
very happy. :) > > Which Integrity model is it???
It's not. Companies other than HP made Itanium2 machines, you know.
;) It's an Intel SR870BN4, which I believe is the reference platform
for the Itanium2. A good friend (a fairly hardcore VMS admin) told me
rather explicitly that VMS will not run on it. That said, I've never
tried.
Yes, I'm aware of other mfgs of Itanium based systems.
Should I try? Do you have any tricks? Or can you assist otherwise?
I'd love to run VMS on it. I'll go put it in a rack *right now* if the
answer is yes.
If you can access its BMC to boot from DVD, then see what happens when
you execute the EFI boot file for VMS. It if can't boot, it will show
up rather quickly if VMS is not able to find support drivers and other
primordial bits and pieces to boot.
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On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:18, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> writes:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 17:40, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
What compilers do you need? I could possibly set them up on RHESUS..
Whatever is required to compile SimH and libpcap on VMS 8.4, I assume.
I'm intrigued to see how well the VAX simulation does on an Integrity in
= an OS that was actually deliberately ported to Itanium, not
accidentally = stuffed on there 'because'. If someone has the OpenVMS
Integrity = binaries that'd do for a start...
I assume SimH is written in 'C'. You can get a hobbyist license for VMS
from HP for Itanium. HP then gives you access to distributions as well
as PAKs for VMS and some layered products.
I have the PAK, I've had a Hobbyist PAK as long as I've had the Integrity, I need the software however...
I have the Hobbyist CDs for VAX and Alpha but no such thing seems to exist for Integrity last I checked.
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On 01/17/2013 02:44 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
On 01/17/2013 02:11 PM, Mark Benson wrote: >> Not a damn thing. ;)
It hasn't been powered on in about two >> years. > > For shame.
Sorry, I have nothing to run on it. If you fix that problem, I'll
be very happy. :)
Which Integrity model is it???
It's not. Companies other than HP made Itanium2 machines, you know.
;) It's an Intel SR870BN4, which I believe is the reference platform
for the Itanium2. A good friend (a fairly hardcore VMS admin) told me
rather explicitly that VMS will not run on it. That said, I've never tried.
Should I try? Do you have any tricks? Or can you assist otherwise?
I'd love to run VMS on it. I'll go put it in a rack *right now* if the
answer is yes.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
