On 23 Jan 2013, at 08:01, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> wrote:
At this post-rate, you may need to move the list-archive to Sampsa's 12TB data-warehouse (... errrr 6TB if he's *wasting* disk on R10 :) )....
My data-warehouse is only 5TB after RAID...9 before.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-01-23 08:14, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/23/2013 02:06 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 23/01/2013, a les 3:37, sampsa at mac.com va escriure:
Any other wacky ideas? The Hercules with VM + Debian + z/OS is
obviously a must.
Hmmm remember the blue boys are not so kind to hobbyists as HP is.
You could get a nasty C&D letter from them...
I've discussed this with Sampsa offline.
Is this list publicly archived?
All the messages are kept, but currently there is no way for a random person to get to the archive.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Three white box Alpha's will run VMS along with NT 4: the Digital Server 3300, 5305 and the 7305.
The modification is found on home.zonnet.nl/hvlems and look for White Box Alpha's.
The 5305 won't run True64 though.
Hans
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/22/2013 09:31 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Is that a proper Xeon or a P4 Xeon?
No idea..But yeah, I'm going to get a beefy server with serious internet access (the place provides a gigabit pipe) for running various fun stuff on. Of course if other HECnet users have an idea for a cool project to run as a VM on the server, that'd be fun too.
Will you let me run NT 4 TSE on it? ;)
I'd love NT 4 on a gigabit pipe...
It's a sickness.
I'm not too fond of windows past NT 4 for anything other than an occasional game. ;) I'd call it more masochism to be honest. I DID recently install it on a Pentium 4 though. ;) (Did you know it won't boot on a P4 HT?)
I didn't. And from what they tell me, that knowledge is now IN my
brain, and I cannot get those neurons back.
-Dave
I think Dave has a few extra neurons to spare. And if he can't get these
back they must be core instead of dynamic. I think I'll see if we can get
him to exhibit a RSTS "?Program lost, sorry" message.
I still have 2 DECServer 3300's (Alpha's) that I installed NT4 TSE on some
time back before the turn of the century. Dastardly slow, but the only
platform I had at the time at home to practice on to get Citrix certified.
They really ran FreeBSD nice though, and since I had loaded 4 drives in
each one, I think I also had copies of NetBSD and Linux (loaded via Milo).
I wish they had been able to run VMS, alas they were the white elephants.
They wouldn't run FreeBSD V4, until we stole a patch from the NetBSD boys.
Brett
On 23 Jan 2013, at 15:01, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> wrote:
At this post-rate, you may need to move the list-archive to Sampsa's 12TB data-warehouse (... errrr 6TB if he's *wasting* disk on R10 :) )....
I know you're kidding but I'd be happy to set up some kind of archive (accessible to members of HECnet only, of course) on the system once it's up.
sampsa
At this post-rate, you may need to move the list-archive to Sampsa's 12TB data-warehouse (... errrr 6TB if he's *wasting* disk on R10 :) )....
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-01-23 08:14, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/23/2013 02:06 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 23/01/2013, a les 3:37, sampsa at mac.com va escriure:
Any other wacky ideas? The Hercules with VM + Debian + z/OS is
obviously a must.
Hmmm remember the blue boys are not so kind to hobbyists as HP is.
You could get a nasty C&D letter from them...
I've discussed this with Sampsa offline.
Is this list publicly archived?
All the messages are kept, but currently there is no way for a random person to get to the archive.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-01-23 08:14, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/23/2013 02:06 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 23/01/2013, a les 3:37, sampsa at mac.com va escriure:
Any other wacky ideas? The Hercules with VM + Debian + z/OS is
obviously a must.
Hmmm remember the blue boys are not so kind to hobbyists as HP is.
You could get a nasty C&D letter from them...
I've discussed this with Sampsa offline.
Is this list publicly archived?
All the messages are kept, but currently there is no way for a random person to get to the archive.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
6 73GB SAS drives in a RAID 10 (3 mirrors, striped over the mirror) which yields me about 200GB space.
I think I'm probably going to sacrifice the SAS speed for the larger storage you get with SATA drives, 6x2 TB drives should make a nice array..
sampsa
On 1/23/2013 6:49 AM, Brett Bump wrote:
I think Dave has a few extra neurons to spare. And if he can't get these back they must be core instead of dynamic. I think I'll see if we can get him to exhibit a RSTS "?Program lost, sorry" message.
I still have 2 DECServer 3300's (Alpha's) that I installed NT4 TSE on some time back before the turn of the century. Dastardly slow, but the only platform I had at the time at home to practice on to get Citrix certified.
They really ran FreeBSD nice though, and since I had loaded 4 drives in each one, I think I also had copies of NetBSD and Linux (loaded via Milo).
I wish they had been able to run VMS, alas they were the white elephants.
They wouldn't run FreeBSD V4, until we stole a patch from the NetBSD boys.
Brett
Technically the name is Digital Server 3300R. It's the "white box" equivalent to the Alpha Server 800. I have two of the 800's and when I bought a 500Mhz processor board for one (to replace the 333Mhz) it apparently is hardcoded in ROM or NVRAM on the board since it now identifies itself as a Digital Server instead of an Alphaserver in the SRM. But it still runs VMS okay. ;)
I also have a Digital Server 5300 which I patched the NVRAM so it would boot VMS. Matches the Alphaserver 1200 except it's all white.
Not too bad once they get booted.
John H. Reinhardt
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/22/2013 09:31 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Is that a proper Xeon or a P4 Xeon?
No idea..But yeah, I'm going to get a beefy server with serious internet access (the place provides a gigabit pipe) for running various fun stuff on. Of course if other HECnet users have an idea for a cool project to run as a VM on the server, that'd be fun too.
Will you let me run NT 4 TSE on it? ;)
I'd love NT 4 on a gigabit pipe...
It's a sickness.
I'm not too fond of windows past NT 4 for anything other than an occasional game. ;) I'd call it more masochism to be honest. I DID recently install it on a Pentium 4 though. ;) (Did you know it won't boot on a P4 HT?)
I didn't. And from what they tell me, that knowledge is now IN my
brain, and I cannot get those neurons back.
-Dave
I think Dave has a few extra neurons to spare. And if he can't get these back they must be core instead of dynamic. I think I'll see if we can get him to exhibit a RSTS "?Program lost, sorry" message.
I still have 2 DECServer 3300's (Alpha's) that I installed NT4 TSE on some time back before the turn of the century. Dastardly slow, but the only platform I had at the time at home to practice on to get Citrix certified.
They really ran FreeBSD nice though, and since I had loaded 4 drives in each one, I think I also had copies of NetBSD and Linux (loaded via Milo).
I wish they had been able to run VMS, alas they were the white elephants.
They wouldn't run FreeBSD V4, until we stole a patch from the NetBSD boys.
Brett
See my comments below.
This is what I bought for my own VM servers:
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us…
HP DL360 Gen 5. I have two I got on Ebay. Total cost about $1100 US. If my Pounds/Dollar conversion is about right, that's about the same as the DL380 you found. Two DL360's would fit in the same 2U rack space and give you some redundancy. Plus a lot more horsepower.
Mine are configured as follows:
2 Intel Xeon Quad core E5345 2.33Ghz processors
16GB memory
6 73GB SAS drives in a RAID 10 (3 mirrors, striped over the mirror) which yields me about 200GB space.
I run VMWare ESXi 5 on both. Why? Because it's free, it works reasonably well and I'm lazy. It would probably be more efficient to put a stripped Linux and VirtualBox but it's nice to be able to just create a VM with a few measly clicks. The downside is that I have to run the VMWare vSphere Client on a Windows platform. In this case it's Windows 7 running on my Mac Pro inside a VMWare Fusion VM.
John H. Reinhardt
On 1/22/2013 9:13 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Actually, I think I'll go for something like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Proliant-DL380-G5-2x-Quad-Core-Xeon-2-66Ghz-32…
Could probably run a few FreeAXP / PersonalAlpha instances on that too.
With the 32GB memory (expensive, compare the Ebay prices for 16GB) you'd have plenty to throw at VM's and with 8 cores, plenty of those, too. A tad expensive, but decent machines. The HP Proliants aren't bad for PC's
sampsa
On 23 Jan 2013, at 04:03, Cory Smelosky<b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 21:00, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Guys,
I've decided to move out of the UK but will keep all the machines in area 8 running by renting a 1/3rd rack from a colo provider.
At the moment I have an iMac running a bunch of VM's and SIMH instances including GORVAX that I was thinking about replacing with a 2U server, and found this on eBay:
For some reason i'm imagining you coloing an iMac G4 ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-SE1102-Twin-Quad-Core-2-5Ghz-12GB-RAM-1U-SATA-…
Would that make a decent VMWare / SIMH host?
Not a bad system. Might want a bit more memory, depending on how many VM you plan to run. It's got a lot of cores to spread around though.
Seems okay, but: http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/386355-2 Cluster 'em and grab RAM for them. ;)
Not as good. Older processor, single core. You'd need 6-8 of these to equal the # of cores as the HP. More rack space, electricity, cooling and costs more.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
Hmmm remember the blue boys are not so kind to hobbyists as HP is.
You could get a nasty C&D letter from them...
I've discussed this with Sampsa offline.
Is this list publicly archived?
Nope.
