On 23 Jan 2013, at 20:38, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 1/23/2013 6:37 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/23/2013 06:47 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
HP DL360 Gen 5. I have two I got on Ebay. Total cost about $1100 US.
If my Pounds/Dollar conversion is about right, that's about the same as
the DL380 you found. Two DL360's would fit in the same 2U rack space
and give you some redundancy. Plus a lot more horsepower.
...
I run VMWare ESXi 5 on both. Why? Because it's free, it works
reasonably well and I'm lazy.
There's an even better reason: It's a buttload more efficient, and a
WHOLE lot more stable. (I'm not saying Linux isn't stable, mind
you...but VMware ESXi is absolutely rock-solid and a whole lot simpler.)
This. :)
but it's nice to be able to just
create a VM with a few measly clicks. The downside is that I have to
run the VMWare vSphere Client on a Windows platform. In this case it's
Windows 7 running on my Mac Pro inside a VMWare Fusion VM.
You can do a lot of stuff from the BB shell within ESXi, though the
command structure is somewhat obtuse. It's handy in emergencies. If
you're just bringing up or shutting down VMs, etc, it's very easy to
deal with, and you don't need to sully yourself with Winblows and end up
with that "not so fresh" feeling.
With the move to ESXi from "full blown" ESX VMware has been moving more and more out of the ESXi host.
The things you can do in BB are *very* limited.
However, you can download the API tools (perl or PowerShell versions available) or install the VMA (Virtual Management Appliance, just a linux box with the tools already installed) you can do everything you need to do from the CLI of your favorite OS.
If you can use vCenter, the web based GUI in 5.1 is FANTASTIC and only required flash. Works fine in Chrome.
Better than the Windows client! Eeeek. Visual J#!
If you need keys for 5 I might *cough* know *cough* where *cough* to get some. *cough cough*. :)
What I need is a box to run 5 on. ;)
I haven't played with the vCVA (virtualCenter Virtual Appliance) in 5.1 so I'm not sure if they made it better or not. I'm hoping so.
Also, if anyone needs any VMware help please feel free to email me off list. It's what I do for a living these days you know. :)
-brian
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On 1/23/2013 6:37 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/23/2013 06:47 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
HP DL360 Gen 5. I have two I got on Ebay. Total cost about $1100 US.
If my Pounds/Dollar conversion is about right, that's about the same as
the DL380 you found. Two DL360's would fit in the same 2U rack space
and give you some redundancy. Plus a lot more horsepower.
...
I run VMWare ESXi 5 on both. Why? Because it's free, it works
reasonably well and I'm lazy.
There's an even better reason: It's a buttload more efficient, and a
WHOLE lot more stable. (I'm not saying Linux isn't stable, mind
you...but VMware ESXi is absolutely rock-solid and a whole lot simpler.)
This. :)
but it's nice to be able to just
create a VM with a few measly clicks. The downside is that I have to
run the VMWare vSphere Client on a Windows platform. In this case it's
Windows 7 running on my Mac Pro inside a VMWare Fusion VM.
You can do a lot of stuff from the BB shell within ESXi, though the
command structure is somewhat obtuse. It's handy in emergencies. If
you're just bringing up or shutting down VMs, etc, it's very easy to
deal with, and you don't need to sully yourself with Winblows and end up
with that "not so fresh" feeling.
With the move to ESXi from "full blown" ESX VMware has been moving more and more out of the ESXi host.
The things you can do in BB are *very* limited.
However, you can download the API tools (perl or PowerShell versions available) or install the VMA (Virtual Management Appliance, just a linux box with the tools already installed) you can do everything you need to do from the CLI of your favorite OS.
If you can use vCenter, the web based GUI in 5.1 is FANTASTIC and only required flash. Works fine in Chrome.
If you need keys for 5 I might *cough* know *cough* where *cough* to get some. *cough cough*. :)
I haven't played with the vCVA (virtualCenter Virtual Appliance) in 5.1 so I'm not sure if they made it better or not. I'm hoping so.
Also, if anyone needs any VMware help please feel free to email me off list. It's what I do for a living these days you know. :)
-brian
On 23 Jan 2013, at 19:49, Brett Bump <bbump at rsts.org> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/23/2013 06:53 PM, Brett Bump wrote:
If anyone can, YOU can...heck, you were the guy who introduced me to
RSTS, what, 27 or 28 years ago?
That must be a math problem, and those are now in dynamic memory. I think
I must have gotten rebooted, as I can't count back that far (86 maybe?).
I was a sophomore in high school so that would've been 1985. Do you
remember my old PDP-11/34a?
Yes, and I remember all the vulgarities that you expelled when you found
out that the 11/23 that you had sold would do 4meg of memory by doing some
minor wirewrapping. ;-)
Well it seems VMS can indeed run on those. You wanna take the plunge?
Yes, I really should. I've been telling people for years I've had this
project of jumping on hecnet and it always gets put on the back burner.
Would be nice to put those 3300s to work, but I still think I'll have to
put something else at the gigapop (I don't think they will allow 3300s).
Why wouldn't they?
The gigapop has standardized 7foot racks and I pay for 1/2 a rack. I don't
think I have enough room left in the rack to put something as big as one
of those 3300s (let alone it would be far too deep). Most likely, I have
enough room to put in an AlphaStation 200 (just for routing purposes).
I see the copy of OpenVMS I have is Alpha V8.3 (which I got years ago).
I'll have to check with Montagar and check on my hobbyist license. If I
can get that far I may just set it all up connected to a terminal server
and let Dave install it all. ;-) lol
I'd be happy to! And see your private email.
-Dave
While you are at it, you can fix Marge's Ubuntu box (she is on the phone).
I only have to do this about 2 times a year, and it is always because they
moved cables around, and not becuase of the software. I am always happy
when I can migrate the elderly off of Wanderz and onto something sensible.
No need to clean off the malware every 3 months when they're off of the windows. ;)
Brett
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/23/2013 06:53 PM, Brett Bump wrote:
If anyone can, YOU can...heck, you were the guy who introduced me to
RSTS, what, 27 or 28 years ago?
That must be a math problem, and those are now in dynamic memory. I think
I must have gotten rebooted, as I can't count back that far (86 maybe?).
I was a sophomore in high school so that would've been 1985. Do you
remember my old PDP-11/34a?
Yes, and I remember all the vulgarities that you expelled when you found
out that the 11/23 that you had sold would do 4meg of memory by doing some
minor wirewrapping. ;-)
Well it seems VMS can indeed run on those. You wanna take the plunge?
Yes, I really should. I've been telling people for years I've had this
project of jumping on hecnet and it always gets put on the back burner.
Would be nice to put those 3300s to work, but I still think I'll have to
put something else at the gigapop (I don't think they will allow 3300s).
Why wouldn't they?
The gigapop has standardized 7foot racks and I pay for 1/2 a rack. I don't
think I have enough room left in the rack to put something as big as one
of those 3300s (let alone it would be far too deep). Most likely, I have
enough room to put in an AlphaStation 200 (just for routing purposes).
I see the copy of OpenVMS I have is Alpha V8.3 (which I got years ago).
I'll have to check with Montagar and check on my hobbyist license. If I
can get that far I may just set it all up connected to a terminal server
and let Dave install it all. ;-) lol
I'd be happy to! And see your private email.
-Dave
While you are at it, you can fix Marge's Ubuntu box (she is on the phone).
I only have to do this about 2 times a year, and it is always because they
moved cables around, and not becuase of the software. I am always happy
when I can migrate the elderly off of Wanderz and onto something sensible.
Brett
Problem solved, connections should now work.
Grab HECnet Instant Messenger at http://rhesus.sampsa.com/him/
sampsa
On 24 Jan 2013, at 01:40, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 23 Jan 2013, at 18:33, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
For ages now I've been wanting some kind of tool to see who is on HECnet, instead of spending ages PHONE DIRing to see if someone is logged into one of their multiple nodes.
Thus I created HIM - at first it was simply meant to be a way to register your logged in node and user name using a "nick" (nickname - one VMS user can have many nicks, and more than one VMS user can use the same nick).
Anyway, I realised pretty quickly that it'd be pretty simple to add a basic messaging service to the system as well - which explains the name :)
Check it out at: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/him/ or RHESUS::[MEDIALIB.HIM]
samosa
GEWT::B4$ @himregister "gewt" "test123"
%DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening RHESUS::"task=him" as input
-RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed
-SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node
On 01/23/2013 06:53 PM, Brett Bump wrote:
If anyone can, YOU can...heck, you were the guy who introduced me to
RSTS, what, 27 or 28 years ago?
That must be a math problem, and those are now in dynamic memory. I think
I must have gotten rebooted, as I can't count back that far (86 maybe?).
I was a sophomore in high school so that would've been 1985. Do you
remember my old PDP-11/34a?
Well it seems VMS can indeed run on those. You wanna take the plunge?
Yes, I really should. I've been telling people for years I've had this
project of jumping on hecnet and it always gets put on the back burner.
Would be nice to put those 3300s to work, but I still think I'll have to
put something else at the gigapop (I don't think they will allow 3300s).
Why wouldn't they?
I see the copy of OpenVMS I have is Alpha V8.3 (which I got years ago).
I'll have to check with Montagar and check on my hobbyist license. If I
can get that far I may just set it all up connected to a terminal server
and let Dave install it all. ;-) lol
I'd be happy to! And see your private email.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/23/2013 06:49 AM, Brett Bump wrote:
I'm not too fond of windows past NT 4 for anything other than an
occasional game. ;) I'd call it more masochism to be honest. I DID
recently install it on a Pentium 4 though. ;) (Did you know it won't
boot on a P4 HT?)
I didn't. And from what they tell me, that knowledge is now IN my
brain, and I cannot get those neurons back.
I think Dave has a few extra neurons to spare. And if he can't get
these back they must be core instead of dynamic. I think I'll see if we
can get him to exhibit a RSTS "?Program lost, sorry" message.
If anyone can, YOU can...heck, you were the guy who introduced me to
RSTS, what, 27 or 28 years ago?
That must be a math problem, and those are now in dynamic memory. I think
I must have gotten rebooted, as I can't count back that far (86 maybe?).
I still have 2 DECServer 3300's (Alpha's) that I installed NT4 TSE on
some time back before the turn of the century. Dastardly slow, but the
only platform I had at the time at home to practice on to get Citrix
certified.
They really ran FreeBSD nice though, and since I had loaded 4 drives in
each one, I think I also had copies of NetBSD and Linux (loaded via Milo).
I wish they had been able to run VMS, alas they were the white elephants.
They wouldn't run FreeBSD V4, until we stole a patch from the NetBSD boys.
Well it seems VMS can indeed run on those. You wanna take the plunge?
-Dave
Yes, I really should. I've been telling people for years I've had this
project of jumping on hecnet and it always gets put on the back burner.
Would be nice to put those 3300s to work, but I still think I'll have to
put something else at the gigapop (I don't think they will allow 3300s).
I see the copy of OpenVMS I have is Alpha V8.3 (which I got years ago).
I'll have to check with Montagar and check on my hobbyist license. If I
can get that far I may just set it all up connected to a terminal server
and let Dave install it all. ;-) lol
Brett
Yeah, that's the problem - I've been testing from machines which all had proxies set up with RHESUS.
How do I turn off authentication on a DECNET object?
sampsa
On 24 Jan 2013, at 01:45, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
That's weird, let me remove a proxy from one of my machines and try it, it might be a security setting thing on the object.
sampsa
That's weird, let me remove a proxy from one of my machines and try it, it might be a security setting thing on the object.
sampsa
On 24 Jan 2013, at 01:40, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 23 Jan 2013, at 18:33, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
For ages now I've been wanting some kind of tool to see who is on HECnet, instead of spending ages PHONE DIRing to see if someone is logged into one of their multiple nodes.
Thus I created HIM - at first it was simply meant to be a way to register your logged in node and user name using a "nick" (nickname - one VMS user can have many nicks, and more than one VMS user can use the same nick).
Anyway, I realised pretty quickly that it'd be pretty simple to add a basic messaging service to the system as well - which explains the name :)
Check it out at: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/him/ or RHESUS::[MEDIALIB.HIM]
samosa
GEWT::B4$ @himregister "gewt" "test123"
%DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening RHESUS::"task=him" as input
-RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed
-SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node
On 23 Jan 2013, at 18:33, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
For ages now I've been wanting some kind of tool to see who is on HECnet, instead of spending ages PHONE DIRing to see if someone is logged into one of their multiple nodes.
Thus I created HIM - at first it was simply meant to be a way to register your logged in node and user name using a "nick" (nickname - one VMS user can have many nicks, and more than one VMS user can use the same nick).
Anyway, I realised pretty quickly that it'd be pretty simple to add a basic messaging service to the system as well - which explains the name :)
Check it out at: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/him/ or RHESUS::[MEDIALIB.HIM]
samosa
GEWT::B4$ @himregister "gewt" "test123"
%DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening RHESUS::"task=him" as input
-RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed
-SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node
