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VMware, was Re: [HECnet] Sort of off-topic, co-locating area 8

by b4＠gewt.net

On 23 Jan 2013, at 21:09, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 01/23/2013 08:38 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote: but it's nice to be able to just create a VM with a few measly clicks. The downside is that I have to run the VMWare vSphere Client on a Windows platform. In this case it's Windows 7 running on my Mac Pro inside a VMWare Fusion VM. You can do a lot of stuff from the BB shell within ESXi, though the command structure is somewhat obtuse. It's handy in emergencies. If you're just bringing up or shutting down VMs, etc, it's very easy to deal with, and you don't need to sully yourself with Winblows and end up with that "not so fresh" feeling. With the move to ESXi from "full blown" ESX VMware has been moving more and more out of the ESXi host. Are they reducing the functionality that's available there? I don't *want* full-blown ESX. I wish I could tell. The product descriptions on the website are a bit too full of buzzwords for me to figure out what's actually being said. The things you can do in BB are *very* limited. Nah. Here's my quick cheat sheet, which is only the stuff I've used: vim-cmd vmsvc/getallvms # lists VMs vim-cmd vmsvc/power.getstat <vmid> # get power state vim-cmd vmsvc/power.on <vmid> # power on VM vim-cmd vmsvc/power.off <vmid> # power off VM vim-cmd vmsvc/power.shutdown <vmid> # shutdown vim-cmd vmsvc/power.restart <vmid> # restart vim-cmd hostsvc/maintenance_mode_enter # enter maintenance mode vim-cmd hostsvc/maintenance_mode_exit # exit maintenance mode vim-cmd vmsvc/unregister <vmid> # remove VM from inv. vim-cmd solo/registervm /path/to/<filename>.vmx # add VM to inv. vim-cmd vmsvc/message <msg_num> # get messages So, basically anything except creating a new one or re-provisioning disks or other resources...and I've done THOSE from the BB shell as well, though not often enough that I've put it in my cheat-sheet. Useful cheat sheet. However, you can download the API tools (perl or PowerShell versions available) or install the VMA (Virtual Management Appliance, just a linux box with the tools already installed) you can do everything you need to do from the CLI of your favorite OS. Got a link for that? And will it work with 4.1? A quick google seems to only mention it for 5.0 :( If you can use vCenter, the web based GUI in 5.1 is FANTASTIC and only required flash. Works fine in Chrome. If you need keys for 5 I might *cough* know *cough* where *cough* to get some. *cough cough*. :) Hmm! Please to be sending! Can I do an in-place upgrade from 4.1 to 5? I could use a key I think .I'm not sure which product I want through due to the number of buzzwords on the website. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

12 years, 3 months

VMware, was Re: [HECnet] Sort of off-topic, co-locating area 8

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 01/23/2013 08:38 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote: but it's nice to be able to just create a VM with a few measly clicks. The downside is that I have to run the VMWare vSphere Client on a Windows platform. In this case it's Windows 7 running on my Mac Pro inside a VMWare Fusion VM. You can do a lot of stuff from the BB shell within ESXi, though the command structure is somewhat obtuse. It's handy in emergencies. If you're just bringing up or shutting down VMs, etc, it's very easy to deal with, and you don't need to sully yourself with Winblows and end up with that "not so fresh" feeling. With the move to ESXi from "full blown" ESX VMware has been moving more and more out of the ESXi host. Are they reducing the functionality that's available there? I don't *want* full-blown ESX. The things you can do in BB are *very* limited. Nah. Here's my quick cheat sheet, which is only the stuff I've used: vim-cmd vmsvc/getallvms # lists VMs vim-cmd vmsvc/power.getstat <vmid> # get power state vim-cmd vmsvc/power.on <vmid> # power on VM vim-cmd vmsvc/power.off <vmid> # power off VM vim-cmd vmsvc/power.shutdown <vmid> # shutdown vim-cmd vmsvc/power.restart <vmid> # restart vim-cmd hostsvc/maintenance_mode_enter # enter maintenance mode vim-cmd hostsvc/maintenance_mode_exit # exit maintenance mode vim-cmd vmsvc/unregister <vmid> # remove VM from inv. vim-cmd solo/registervm /path/to/<filename>.vmx # add VM to inv. vim-cmd vmsvc/message <msg_num> # get messages So, basically anything except creating a new one or re-provisioning disks or other resources...and I've done THOSE from the BB shell as well, though not often enough that I've put it in my cheat-sheet. However, you can download the API tools (perl or PowerShell versions available) or install the VMA (Virtual Management Appliance, just a linux box with the tools already installed) you can do everything you need to do from the CLI of your favorite OS. Got a link for that? And will it work with 4.1? If you can use vCenter, the web based GUI in 5.1 is FANTASTIC and only required flash. Works fine in Chrome. If you need keys for 5 I might *cough* know *cough* where *cough* to get some. *cough cough*. :) Hmm! Please to be sending! Can I do an in-place upgrade from 4.1 to 5? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 3 months

Sort of off-topic, co-locating area 8

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-01-24 02:44, Brian Hechinger wrote: On 1/22/2013 9:15 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Is that a proper Xeon or a P4 Xeon? If it's a quad core it's a core2 arch xeon. P4 (Pentium-D) only came in dual core. Gents... Fun as all the small talk is, this is getting a little much outside of hecnet stuff, isn't it? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 3 months

Sync serial bridging over Ethernet, was Re: [HECnet] Multi-floor household (DECnet) routing help needed

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/22/2013 8:33 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Get something that works with linux with ease all the time. Like a 3DFX.;) Ah, no. :) -brian

12 years, 3 months

Sort of off-topic, co-locating area 8

by b4＠gewt.net

On 23 Jan 2013, at 20:43, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: On 1/23/2013 8:40 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: If you can use vCenter, the web based GUI in 5.1 is FANTASTIC and only required flash. Works fine in Chrome. Better than the Windows client! Eeeek. Visual J#! The one that shipped with 5.0 wasn't. :) Yay > > If you need keys for 5 I might *cough* know *cough* where *cough* to get some. *cough cough*. :) What I need is a box to run 5 on. ;) It'll run on just about anything. Look at Dell 1950s or HP DL/ML G5s. That'd cost a bit of money though. ;) I can grab some RAM and shoehorn it on to my desktop I never use though -brian -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

12 years, 3 months

Sort of off-topic, co-locating area 8

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/22/2013 9:15 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Is that a proper Xeon or a P4 Xeon? If it's a quad core it's a core2 arch xeon. P4 (Pentium-D) only came in dual core. -brian

12 years, 3 months

Sort of off-topic, co-locating area 8

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/23/2013 8:40 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: If you can use vCenter, the web based GUI in 5.1 is FANTASTIC and only required flash. Works fine in Chrome. Better than the Windows client! Eeeek. Visual J#! The one that shipped with 5.0 wasn't. :) > > If you need keys for 5 I might *cough* know *cough* where *cough* to get some. *cough cough*. :) What I need is a box to run 5 on. ;) It'll run on just about anything. Look at Dell 1950s or HP DL/ML G5s. -brian

12 years, 3 months

Sort of off-topic, co-locating area 8

by b4＠gewt.net

On 23 Jan 2013, at 20:38, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: On 1/23/2013 6:37 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 01/23/2013 06:47 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: HP DL360 Gen 5. I have two I got on Ebay. Total cost about $1100 US. If my Pounds/Dollar conversion is about right, that's about the same as the DL380 you found. Two DL360's would fit in the same 2U rack space and give you some redundancy. Plus a lot more horsepower. ... I run VMWare ESXi 5 on both. Why? Because it's free, it works reasonably well and I'm lazy. There's an even better reason: It's a buttload more efficient, and a WHOLE lot more stable. (I'm not saying Linux isn't stable, mind you...but VMware ESXi is absolutely rock-solid and a whole lot simpler.) This. :) but it's nice to be able to just create a VM with a few measly clicks. The downside is that I have to run the VMWare vSphere Client on a Windows platform. In this case it's Windows 7 running on my Mac Pro inside a VMWare Fusion VM. You can do a lot of stuff from the BB shell within ESXi, though the command structure is somewhat obtuse. It's handy in emergencies. If you're just bringing up or shutting down VMs, etc, it's very easy to deal with, and you don't need to sully yourself with Winblows and end up with that "not so fresh" feeling. With the move to ESXi from "full blown" ESX VMware has been moving more and more out of the ESXi host. The things you can do in BB are *very* limited. However, you can download the API tools (perl or PowerShell versions available) or install the VMA (Virtual Management Appliance, just a linux box with the tools already installed) you can do everything you need to do from the CLI of your favorite OS. If you can use vCenter, the web based GUI in 5.1 is FANTASTIC and only required flash. Works fine in Chrome. Better than the Windows client! Eeeek. Visual J#! If you need keys for 5 I might *cough* know *cough* where *cough* to get some. *cough cough*. :) What I need is a box to run 5 on. ;) I haven't played with the vCVA (virtualCenter Virtual Appliance) in 5.1 so I'm not sure if they made it better or not. I'm hoping so. Also, if anyone needs any VMware help please feel free to email me off list. It's what I do for a living these days you know. :) -brian -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

12 years, 3 months

Sort of off-topic, co-locating area 8

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/23/2013 6:37 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 01/23/2013 06:47 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: HP DL360 Gen 5. I have two I got on Ebay. Total cost about $1100 US. If my Pounds/Dollar conversion is about right, that's about the same as the DL380 you found. Two DL360's would fit in the same 2U rack space and give you some redundancy. Plus a lot more horsepower. ... I run VMWare ESXi 5 on both. Why? Because it's free, it works reasonably well and I'm lazy. There's an even better reason: It's a buttload more efficient, and a WHOLE lot more stable. (I'm not saying Linux isn't stable, mind you...but VMware ESXi is absolutely rock-solid and a whole lot simpler.) This. :) but it's nice to be able to just create a VM with a few measly clicks. The downside is that I have to run the VMWare vSphere Client on a Windows platform. In this case it's Windows 7 running on my Mac Pro inside a VMWare Fusion VM. You can do a lot of stuff from the BB shell within ESXi, though the command structure is somewhat obtuse. It's handy in emergencies. If you're just bringing up or shutting down VMs, etc, it's very easy to deal with, and you don't need to sully yourself with Winblows and end up with that "not so fresh" feeling. With the move to ESXi from "full blown" ESX VMware has been moving more and more out of the ESXi host. The things you can do in BB are *very* limited. However, you can download the API tools (perl or PowerShell versions available) or install the VMA (Virtual Management Appliance, just a linux box with the tools already installed) you can do everything you need to do from the CLI of your favorite OS. If you can use vCenter, the web based GUI in 5.1 is FANTASTIC and only required flash. Works fine in Chrome. If you need keys for 5 I might *cough* know *cough* where *cough* to get some. *cough cough*. :) I haven't played with the vCVA (virtualCenter Virtual Appliance) in 5.1 so I'm not sure if they made it better or not. I'm hoping so. Also, if anyone needs any VMware help please feel free to email me off list. It's what I do for a living these days you know. :) -brian

12 years, 3 months

Sort of off-topic, co-locating area 8

by b4＠gewt.net

On 23 Jan 2013, at 19:49, Brett Bump <bbump at rsts.org> wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 01/23/2013 06:53 PM, Brett Bump wrote: If anyone can, YOU can...heck, you were the guy who introduced me to RSTS, what, 27 or 28 years ago? That must be a math problem, and those are now in dynamic memory. I think I must have gotten rebooted, as I can't count back that far (86 maybe?). I was a sophomore in high school so that would've been 1985. Do you remember my old PDP-11/34a? Yes, and I remember all the vulgarities that you expelled when you found out that the 11/23 that you had sold would do 4meg of memory by doing some minor wirewrapping. ;-) Well it seems VMS can indeed run on those. You wanna take the plunge? Yes, I really should. I've been telling people for years I've had this project of jumping on hecnet and it always gets put on the back burner. Would be nice to put those 3300s to work, but I still think I'll have to put something else at the gigapop (I don't think they will allow 3300s). Why wouldn't they? The gigapop has standardized 7foot racks and I pay for 1/2 a rack. I don't think I have enough room left in the rack to put something as big as one of those 3300s (let alone it would be far too deep). Most likely, I have enough room to put in an AlphaStation 200 (just for routing purposes). I see the copy of OpenVMS I have is Alpha V8.3 (which I got years ago). I'll have to check with Montagar and check on my hobbyist license. If I can get that far I may just set it all up connected to a terminal server and let Dave install it all. ;-) lol I'd be happy to! And see your private email. -Dave While you are at it, you can fix Marge's Ubuntu box (she is on the phone). I only have to do this about 2 times a year, and it is always because they moved cables around, and not becuase of the software. I am always happy when I can migrate the elderly off of Wanderz and onto something sensible. No need to clean off the malware every 3 months when they're off of the windows. ;) Brett -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

12 years, 3 months

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