I have been using barracuda plain scsi-1, external, they are small but
run decent for everything (probably except windoze, never tried to run
it on scsi on alpha.) All three were barracuda, I lost one machine
(the miata, without counting a number of VAX, those have been dying
faster, I'm down to "one" now,) but not the drives.
The noise points to a bad drive, (hopefully not controller,) on linux
boxes, pc and pc server hardware, I have had a lot of disk failures,
sparc, sgi, hp9000 and ibm 6000 are built way better, hardly never
fail, consider that those alpha (and the small drives they came with,)
are now going to be 20 year old in a few months, the VAX is heading
for thirty, in so I expect those old drives to fail sooner or later, I
used to buy them by the lot, and still have boxes of small ones.
I'm more worried when the machines fail, those are hard to replace,
and parts may be really hard to find (like a multia floppy or internal
ide.) Probably is time to image all those drives, and if worse comes
to worse, run on stromasys or simh for the vax.
cheers,
daniel
;-)
On 2/10/13, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Found the hidden culprit.... The hard drive started making noises that I
normally hear from a blender.
The multia booted fine when I set it to mop boot without any local disk
(slow but worked).
So next weekend I'll remove (or replace )the drive and do the fan upgrade
everyone recommends.
Anyone know of any possible replacement scsi drives for multia's???
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:39 PM, "Dan B" <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
keep it in a cold place, the number one cause of death for multia is
processor overheating, it does not suffer cold, but fries processors
in the heat
On 2/10/13, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh gee what a picky machine....
It wasn't lighting up the flat panel monitor from SRM console.
Switched it to the same old CRT monitor I use with the DEC 3000 (only
monitor with RGB inputs)
and its displaying...
Damn thing is ACTUALLY booting off its little disk that I installed vms
on
directly via the DEC 3000.
Now just have to convo boot the damn thing to fix its HOME server for
system
disks (node name and addresses changed when I connected to HECnet).
wish me luck...
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:42:08 +0200
From: uusimaki at exdecfinland.org
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
Are you sure that nothing has changed on your setup since you booted
the
Multia successfully?
Any parameter? Anything of the HW?
On 10.2.2013 21:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
Yes I hooked up the vms install CDROM to the multia to boot and used
the
boot procedure with floppy and it pretty much stalls after the
"starting
bootstrap ..."message.
took the HD from the dec3000 with the image of the vms install disk
and
tried to boot from it with same results.
Bought a new (and expensive) floppy for it and same results.
Can flip to ARC and SRM consoles ok (not tried to boot under arc as I
don't have win nt.)
---------
Just booted back up and it was at ARC console so I switched it over to
SRM and power cycled it and now it's not powering the monitor.
Will have to find my serial cable and try to switch it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:06 AM, "Kari Uusim ki"
<uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
wrote:
Do you have any chance to test booting from a directly connected SCSI
CD-ROM or a disk?
Kari
On 10.2.2013 0:58, Michael Holmes wrote:
Forgive me if this is off topic, but I was reading about the fixes
to
the VAXStation 4000 regarding chips.
I bought a multia several years back and I think it sucommed to
being
moved to and from Germany and the States too many times.
I had it booting as a satelite off a DEC 3000 just fine, until this
last
move.
I thought the battery had died and replaced it. (dead battery
prevents
the bios from coming up)
I get the SRM console and i'd get MOP load message on the DEC 3000
but
the MULTIA just hangs after message about bootstrapping.
I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on the MB and
was
wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be used to fix the
MULTIA.
thanks
Mike
At the time these boxes were new, it was common that the graphics cards produced sync-on-green as most of the DEC monitors had only RGB inputs (i.e. no H-sync nor V-sync). Times has changed... :)
Kari
On 11.2.2013 1:37, Michael Holmes wrote:
Oh gee what a picky machine....
It wasn't lighting up the flat panel monitor from SRM console.
Switched it to the same old CRT monitor I use with the DEC 3000 (only
monitor with RGB inputs)
and its displaying...
Damn thing is ACTUALLY booting off its little disk that I installed vms
on directly via the DEC 3000.
Now just have to convo boot the damn thing to fix its HOME server for
system disks (node name and addresses changed when I connected to HECnet).
wish me luck...
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:42:08 +0200
> From: uusimaki at exdecfinland.org
> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Subject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
>
>
> Are you sure that nothing has changed on your setup since you booted the
> Multia successfully?
> Any parameter? Anything of the HW?
>
>
>
> On 10.2.2013 21:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
> > Yes I hooked up the vms install CDROM to the multia to boot and
used the boot procedure with floppy and it pretty much stalls after the
"starting bootstrap ..."message.
> >
> > took the HD from the dec3000 with the image of the vms install disk
and tried to boot from it with same results.
> >
> > Bought a new (and expensive) floppy for it and same results.
> >
> > Can flip to ARC and SRM consoles ok (not tried to boot under arc as
I don't have win nt.)
> >
> > ---------
> > Just booted back up and it was at ARC console so I switched it over
to SRM and power cycled it and now it's not powering the monitor.
> > Will have to find my serial cable and try to switch it.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:06 AM, "Kari Uusim ki"
<uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Do you have any chance to test booting from a directly connected
SCSI CD-ROM or a disk?
> >>
> >>
> >> Kari
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10.2.2013 0:58, Michael Holmes wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Forgive me if this is off topic, but I was reading about the fixes to
> >>> the VAXStation 4000 regarding chips.
> >>>
> >>> I bought a multia several years back and I think it sucommed to being
> >>> moved to and from Germany and the States too many times.
> >>>
> >>> I had it booting as a satelite off a DEC 3000 just fine, until
this last
> >>> move.
> >>>
> >>> I thought the battery had died and replaced it. (dead battery
prevents
> >>> the bios from coming up)
> >>>
> >>> I get the SRM console and i'd get MOP load message on the DEC
3000 but
> >>> the MULTIA just hangs after message about bootstrapping.
> >>>
> >>> I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on the MB and was
> >>> wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be used to fix the
MULTIA.
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>
>
In fact, there was some years ago a long discussion where someone told about his investigations of overheated Multias and there was found a chip on the motherboard - close to the floppy drive - which is not sufficiently cooled and tends to die of overheating. It is possible to replace the chip but that's not an easy chore.
Kari
On 11.2.2013 3:39, Dan B wrote:
keep it in a cold place, the number one cause of death for multia is
processor overheating, it does not suffer cold, but fries processors
in the heat
On 2/10/13, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh gee what a picky machine....
It wasn't lighting up the flat panel monitor from SRM console.
Switched it to the same old CRT monitor I use with the DEC 3000 (only
monitor with RGB inputs)
and its displaying...
Damn thing is ACTUALLY booting off its little disk that I installed vms on
directly via the DEC 3000.
Now just have to convo boot the damn thing to fix its HOME server for system
disks (node name and addresses changed when I connected to HECnet).
wish me luck...
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:42:08 +0200
From: uusimaki at exdecfinland.org
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
Are you sure that nothing has changed on your setup since you booted the
Multia successfully?
Any parameter? Anything of the HW?
On 10.2.2013 21:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
Yes I hooked up the vms install CDROM to the multia to boot and used the
boot procedure with floppy and it pretty much stalls after the "starting
bootstrap ..."message.
took the HD from the dec3000 with the image of the vms install disk and
tried to boot from it with same results.
Bought a new (and expensive) floppy for it and same results.
Can flip to ARC and SRM consoles ok (not tried to boot under arc as I
don't have win nt.)
---------
Just booted back up and it was at ARC console so I switched it over to
SRM and power cycled it and now it's not powering the monitor.
Will have to find my serial cable and try to switch it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:06 AM, "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
wrote:
Do you have any chance to test booting from a directly connected SCSI
CD-ROM or a disk?
Kari
On 10.2.2013 0:58, Michael Holmes wrote:
Forgive me if this is off topic, but I was reading about the fixes to
the VAXStation 4000 regarding chips.
I bought a multia several years back and I think it sucommed to being
moved to and from Germany and the States too many times.
I had it booting as a satelite off a DEC 3000 just fine, until this
last
move.
I thought the battery had died and replaced it. (dead battery
prevents
the bios from coming up)
I get the SRM console and i'd get MOP load message on the DEC 3000
but
the MULTIA just hangs after message about bootstrapping.
I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on the MB and was
wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be used to fix the
MULTIA.
thanks
Mike
.
Found the hidden culprit.... The hard drive started making noises that I normally hear from a blender.
The multia booted fine when I set it to mop boot without any local disk (slow but worked).
So next weekend I'll remove (or replace )the drive and do the fan upgrade everyone recommends.
Anyone know of any possible replacement scsi drives for multia's???
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:39 PM, "Dan B" <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
keep it in a cold place, the number one cause of death for multia is
processor overheating, it does not suffer cold, but fries processors
in the heat
On 2/10/13, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh gee what a picky machine....
It wasn't lighting up the flat panel monitor from SRM console.
Switched it to the same old CRT monitor I use with the DEC 3000 (only
monitor with RGB inputs)
and its displaying...
Damn thing is ACTUALLY booting off its little disk that I installed vms on
directly via the DEC 3000.
Now just have to convo boot the damn thing to fix its HOME server for system
disks (node name and addresses changed when I connected to HECnet).
wish me luck...
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:42:08 +0200
From: uusimaki at exdecfinland.org
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
Are you sure that nothing has changed on your setup since you booted the
Multia successfully?
Any parameter? Anything of the HW?
On 10.2.2013 21:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
Yes I hooked up the vms install CDROM to the multia to boot and used the
boot procedure with floppy and it pretty much stalls after the "starting
bootstrap ..."message.
took the HD from the dec3000 with the image of the vms install disk and
tried to boot from it with same results.
Bought a new (and expensive) floppy for it and same results.
Can flip to ARC and SRM consoles ok (not tried to boot under arc as I
don't have win nt.)
---------
Just booted back up and it was at ARC console so I switched it over to
SRM and power cycled it and now it's not powering the monitor.
Will have to find my serial cable and try to switch it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:06 AM, "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
wrote:
Do you have any chance to test booting from a directly connected SCSI
CD-ROM or a disk?
Kari
On 10.2.2013 0:58, Michael Holmes wrote:
Forgive me if this is off topic, but I was reading about the fixes to
the VAXStation 4000 regarding chips.
I bought a multia several years back and I think it sucommed to being
moved to and from Germany and the States too many times.
I had it booting as a satelite off a DEC 3000 just fine, until this
last
move.
I thought the battery had died and replaced it. (dead battery
prevents
the bios from coming up)
I get the SRM console and i'd get MOP load message on the DEC 3000
but
the MULTIA just hangs after message about bootstrapping.
I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on the MB and was
wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be used to fix the
MULTIA.
thanks
Mike
On Feb 10, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Anyone have a copy of this? Is it DECNETtable?
On the second question: definitely. VaxELN is the OS used to implement the LPS40 PostScript printer, which was connected via DECnet.
paul
keep it in a cold place, the number one cause of death for multia is
processor overheating, it does not suffer cold, but fries processors
in the heat
On 2/10/13, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh gee what a picky machine....
It wasn't lighting up the flat panel monitor from SRM console.
Switched it to the same old CRT monitor I use with the DEC 3000 (only
monitor with RGB inputs)
and its displaying...
Damn thing is ACTUALLY booting off its little disk that I installed vms on
directly via the DEC 3000.
Now just have to convo boot the damn thing to fix its HOME server for system
disks (node name and addresses changed when I connected to HECnet).
wish me luck...
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:42:08 +0200
From: uusimaki at exdecfinland.org
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
Are you sure that nothing has changed on your setup since you booted the
Multia successfully?
Any parameter? Anything of the HW?
On 10.2.2013 21:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
Yes I hooked up the vms install CDROM to the multia to boot and used the
boot procedure with floppy and it pretty much stalls after the "starting
bootstrap ..."message.
took the HD from the dec3000 with the image of the vms install disk and
tried to boot from it with same results.
Bought a new (and expensive) floppy for it and same results.
Can flip to ARC and SRM consoles ok (not tried to boot under arc as I
don't have win nt.)
---------
Just booted back up and it was at ARC console so I switched it over to
SRM and power cycled it and now it's not powering the monitor.
Will have to find my serial cable and try to switch it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:06 AM, "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
wrote:
Do you have any chance to test booting from a directly connected SCSI
CD-ROM or a disk?
Kari
On 10.2.2013 0:58, Michael Holmes wrote:
Forgive me if this is off topic, but I was reading about the fixes to
the VAXStation 4000 regarding chips.
I bought a multia several years back and I think it sucommed to being
moved to and from Germany and the States too many times.
I had it booting as a satelite off a DEC 3000 just fine, until this
last
move.
I thought the battery had died and replaced it. (dead battery
prevents
the bios from coming up)
I get the SRM console and i'd get MOP load message on the DEC 3000
but
the MULTIA just hangs after message about bootstrapping.
I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on the MB and was
wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be used to fix the
MULTIA.
thanks
Mike
OUCH....
I was about to do just that
and it must have realized its ass was done for and started behaving...
> Subject: RE: [HECnet] Mulita issue
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:46:33 -0500
> From: jeep at scshome.net
> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
>
> I am pretty sure that a cup of gasoline will do quite nicely. Of course
> if you are trying to make it impossible for anyone to identify it as
> anything resembling a machine then you will probably need that much
> anyway... :-)
>
> -Steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> > [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 14:07
> > To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> > Subject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
> >
> > On Feb 9, 2013, at 17:58, Michael Holmes
> > <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote.
> > >
> > > I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on the
> > MB and was wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be
> > used to fix the MULTIA.
> >
> > The best tools to fix a Multia are a hammer, a quart of
> > gasoline and a match. :)
> >
> > -brian
> >
Oh gee what a picky machine....
It wasn't lighting up the flat panel monitor from SRM console.
Switched it to the same old CRT monitor I use with the DEC 3000 (only monitor with RGB inputs)
and its displaying...
Damn thing is ACTUALLY booting off its little disk that I installed vms on directly via the DEC 3000.
Now just have to convo boot the damn thing to fix its HOME server for system disks (node name and addresses changed when I connected to HECnet).
wish me luck...
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:42:08 +0200
> From: uusimaki at exdecfinland.org
> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Subject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
>
>
> Are you sure that nothing has changed on your setup since you booted the
> Multia successfully?
> Any parameter? Anything of the HW?
>
>
>
> On 10.2.2013 21:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
> > Yes I hooked up the vms install CDROM to the multia to boot and used the boot procedure with floppy and it pretty much stalls after the "starting bootstrap ..."message.
> >
> > took the HD from the dec3000 with the image of the vms install disk and tried to boot from it with same results.
> >
> > Bought a new (and expensive) floppy for it and same results.
> >
> > Can flip to ARC and SRM consoles ok (not tried to boot under arc as I don't have win nt.)
> >
> > ---------
> > Just booted back up and it was at ARC console so I switched it over to SRM and power cycled it and now it's not powering the monitor.
> > Will have to find my serial cable and try to switch it.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:06 AM, "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Do you have any chance to test booting from a directly connected SCSI CD-ROM or a disk?
> >>
> >>
> >> Kari
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10.2.2013 0:58, Michael Holmes wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Forgive me if this is off topic, but I was reading about the fixes to
> >>> the VAXStation 4000 regarding chips.
> >>>
> >>> I bought a multia several years back and I think it sucommed to being
> >>> moved to and from Germany and the States too many times.
> >>>
> >>> I had it booting as a satelite off a DEC 3000 just fine, until this last
> >>> move.
> >>>
> >>> I thought the battery had died and replaced it. (dead battery prevents
> >>> the bios from coming up)
> >>>
> >>> I get the SRM console and i'd get MOP load message on the DEC 3000 but
> >>> the MULTIA just hangs after message about bootstrapping.
> >>>
> >>> I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on the MB and was
> >>> wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be used to fix the MULTIA.
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>
>
ok, today i fired up the multia, a zillion issues, message "isa table
corrupted," the ide disk comes and goes and so the floppy, (my suspect
is that they are related to the isa bus corruption message,) the time
clock battery is dead, (hopefully it may recharge if I leave it
plugged in.)
"however" after long pains to remember various settings, changing at
least 6 scsi cables, trying a few terminators (active by the way,) it
finally booted vms 7.3 and tru64 5.1, but not red hat, linux is a
nightmare because the devices names change in the order cabled ;-(
on red hat I get a kernel panic, my suspicion is that it is missing
something from the ide disk related to the first error, and I'm not
going to try arc again, because I'm not feeling in the mood of the
hardware fixes to reset it
the more time is powered in and the better it goes, now boots on
graphics directly and remembers the settings ;-) it was the same with
the vax, they look dead, but you leave them plugged in for a while and
they resurrect, sooner or later
anyhow, this is the situation now, if anybody knows how to fix the isa
table corrupted, i can use suggestions
cheers,
daniel
;-)
On 2/10/13, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
Do you have any chance to test booting from a directly connected SCSI
CD-ROM or a disk?
Kari
On 10.2.2013 0:58, Michael Holmes wrote:
Forgive me if this is off topic, but I was reading about the fixes to
the VAXStation 4000 regarding chips.
I bought a multia several years back and I think it sucommed to being
moved to and from Germany and the States too many times.
I had it booting as a satelite off a DEC 3000 just fine, until this last
move.
I thought the battery had died and replaced it. (dead battery prevents
the bios from coming up)
I get the SRM console and i'd get MOP load message on the DEC 3000 but
the MULTIA just hangs after message about bootstrapping.
I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on the MB and was
wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be used to fix the MULTIA.
thanks
Mike
