On 02/11/2013 03:52 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
That's frightening. They stopped pushing it as a viable platform in
like 1994. The last place I saw it deployed (not that there were many)
was gone by 1995.
I've heard NT performance wasn't that good on early alphas, so I see why. ;)
That wasn't why. ;)
It boots the kernel and loads the installer with all 4 processors and all 4G RAM, even!
I am TERRIFIED.
-Dave
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On 11 Feb 2013, at 20:49, Dave McGuire wrote:
That's frightening. They stopped pushing it as a viable platform in
like 1994. The last place I saw it deployed (not that there were many)
was gone by 1995.
Either way, though, NT on Alpha was very much a "first generation
Alphas" thing, and the ES family is a "last generation Alphas" thing.
I'd be shocked if it even came close to booting on a 21264-class
processor. ...which means I'm utterly shocked to hear of any DS20
support at all.
Well I learned something today. ;)
You know DEC, they loved supporting legacy products almost into oblivion.
I mean, when did they stop officially supporting PDP themselves?
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On 11 Feb 2013, at 15:49, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/11/2013 03:44 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server
es40 is there an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2
keyboards plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early
setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I
really don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and
the current firmware build was released in 2007!
I don't know what "TSE" is, but I could've sworn the ES40 was more
like 2005, and NT for Alpha died (thank heaven) YEARS before 1998.
Terminal Services Edition. You might be thinking of the
discontinuation date for the ES40.
I don't think so, but either way..
Perhaps they (stupidly) kept supporting it ?
It seems they half-stopped supporting it. There are DS20 drivers
(2001 again) yet support WAS dropped in 1998.
That's frightening. They stopped pushing it as a viable platform in
like 1994. The last place I saw it deployed (not that there were many)
was gone by 1995.
I've heard NT performance wasn't that good on early alphas, so I see why. ;)
Either way, though, NT on Alpha was very much a "first generation
Alphas" thing, and the ES family is a "last generation Alphas" thing.
I'd be shocked if it even came close to booting on a 21264-class
processor. ...which means I'm utterly shocked to hear of any DS20
support at all.
It boots the kernel and loads the installer with all 4 processors and all 4G RAM, even!
Well I learned something today. ;)
NT on Alpha had even less reason to exist than NT on DECstations.
That I would agree with. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 02/11/2013 03:44 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server
es40 is there an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2
keyboards plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early
setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I
really don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and
the current firmware build was released in 2007!
I don't know what "TSE" is, but I could've sworn the ES40 was more
like 2005, and NT for Alpha died (thank heaven) YEARS before 1998.
Terminal Services Edition. You might be thinking of the
discontinuation date for the ES40.
I don't think so, but either way..
Perhaps they (stupidly) kept supporting it ?
It seems they half-stopped supporting it. There are DS20 drivers
(2001 again) yet support WAS dropped in 1998.
That's frightening. They stopped pushing it as a viable platform in
like 1994. The last place I saw it deployed (not that there were many)
was gone by 1995.
Either way, though, NT on Alpha was very much a "first generation
Alphas" thing, and the ES family is a "last generation Alphas" thing.
I'd be shocked if it even came close to booting on a 21264-class
processor. ...which means I'm utterly shocked to hear of any DS20
support at all.
Well I learned something today. ;)
NT on Alpha had even less reason to exist than NT on DECstations.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 11 Feb 2013, at 15:41, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/11/2013 03:39 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there
an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards
plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I really
don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and the current firmware build was released in 2007!
I don't know what "TSE" is, but I could've sworn the ES40 was more
like 2005, and NT for Alpha died (thank heaven) YEARS before 1998.
Terminal Services Edition. You might be thinking of the discontinuation date for the ES40.
Perhaps they (stupidly) kept supporting it ?
It seems they half-stopped supporting it. There are DS20 drivers (2001 again) yet support WAS dropped in 1998.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 02/11/2013 03:39 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there
an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards
plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I really
don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and the current firmware build was released in 2007!
I don't know what "TSE" is, but I could've sworn the ES40 was more
like 2005, and NT for Alpha died (thank heaven) YEARS before 1998.
Perhaps they (stupidly) kept supporting it...?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 11 Feb 2013, at 15:36, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/11/2013 03:33 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello!
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there
an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards
plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I really
don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and the current firmware build was released in 2007!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 02/11/2013 03:33 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello!
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there
an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards
plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I really
don't think you're going to have much luck there.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
On Feb 11, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
I have been using barracuda plain scsi-1, external, they are small but
run decent for everything (probably except windoze, never tried to run
it on scsi on alpha.) All three were barracuda, I lost one machine
(the miata, without counting a number of VAX, those have been dying
faster, I'm down to "one" now,) but not the drives.
The noise points to a bad drive, (hopefully not controller,) on linux
boxes, pc and pc server hardware, I have had a lot of disk failures,
sparc, sgi, hp9000 and ibm 6000 are built way better, hardly never
fail, consider that those alpha (and the small drives they came with,)
are now going to be 20 year old in a few months, the VAX is heading
for thirty, in so I expect those old drives to fail sooner or later, I
used to buy them by the lot, and still have boxes of small ones.
I'm more worried when the machines fail, those are hard to replace,
and parts may be really hard to find (like a multia floppy or internal
ide.) Probably is time to image all those drives, and if worse comes
to worse, run on stromasys or simh for the vax.
The machines themselves are usually easily repaired (though not so much Alphas, but I personally don't think there's much "vintage" about those anyway) and drives will become less of a problem as new adapters are developed. We already have narrow SCSI<->SATA, etc..
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
