On 02/11/2013 03:44 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server
es40 is there an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2
keyboards plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early
setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I
really don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and
the current firmware build was released in 2007!
I don't know what "TSE" is, but I could've sworn the ES40 was more
like 2005, and NT for Alpha died (thank heaven) YEARS before 1998.
Terminal Services Edition. You might be thinking of the
discontinuation date for the ES40.
I don't think so, but either way..
Perhaps they (stupidly) kept supporting it ?
It seems they half-stopped supporting it. There are DS20 drivers
(2001 again) yet support WAS dropped in 1998.
That's frightening. They stopped pushing it as a viable platform in
like 1994. The last place I saw it deployed (not that there were many)
was gone by 1995.
Either way, though, NT on Alpha was very much a "first generation
Alphas" thing, and the ES family is a "last generation Alphas" thing.
I'd be shocked if it even came close to booting on a 21264-class
processor. ...which means I'm utterly shocked to hear of any DS20
support at all.
Well I learned something today. ;)
NT on Alpha had even less reason to exist than NT on DECstations.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 11 Feb 2013, at 15:41, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/11/2013 03:39 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there
an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards
plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I really
don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and the current firmware build was released in 2007!
I don't know what "TSE" is, but I could've sworn the ES40 was more
like 2005, and NT for Alpha died (thank heaven) YEARS before 1998.
Terminal Services Edition. You might be thinking of the discontinuation date for the ES40.
Perhaps they (stupidly) kept supporting it ?
It seems they half-stopped supporting it. There are DS20 drivers (2001 again) yet support WAS dropped in 1998.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 02/11/2013 03:39 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there
an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards
plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I really
don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and the current firmware build was released in 2007!
I don't know what "TSE" is, but I could've sworn the ES40 was more
like 2005, and NT for Alpha died (thank heaven) YEARS before 1998.
Perhaps they (stupidly) kept supporting it...?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 11 Feb 2013, at 15:36, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/11/2013 03:33 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello!
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there
an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards
plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I really
don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and the current firmware build was released in 2007!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 02/11/2013 03:33 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello!
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there
an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards
plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I really
don't think you're going to have much luck there.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server es40 is there an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2 keyboards plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
On Feb 11, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
I have been using barracuda plain scsi-1, external, they are small but
run decent for everything (probably except windoze, never tried to run
it on scsi on alpha.) All three were barracuda, I lost one machine
(the miata, without counting a number of VAX, those have been dying
faster, I'm down to "one" now,) but not the drives.
The noise points to a bad drive, (hopefully not controller,) on linux
boxes, pc and pc server hardware, I have had a lot of disk failures,
sparc, sgi, hp9000 and ibm 6000 are built way better, hardly never
fail, consider that those alpha (and the small drives they came with,)
are now going to be 20 year old in a few months, the VAX is heading
for thirty, in so I expect those old drives to fail sooner or later, I
used to buy them by the lot, and still have boxes of small ones.
I'm more worried when the machines fail, those are hard to replace,
and parts may be really hard to find (like a multia floppy or internal
ide.) Probably is time to image all those drives, and if worse comes
to worse, run on stromasys or simh for the vax.
The machines themselves are usually easily repaired (though not so much Alphas, but I personally don't think there's much "vintage" about those anyway) and drives will become less of a problem as new adapters are developed. We already have narrow SCSI<->SATA, etc..
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hi there.
Saw you were a fellow MBP user and wanted to ask what you were using to map your keyboard.
I've just been using Mac's terminal and its ok but haven't found a way to get the "missing" keyboard keys needed for use in EVE editor (page up/down, select, remove, etc...)
Was curious what you use.
Also Steve Davidson suggested I contact you about getting a copy of the log of his rebuilding a vms system for you. I'm still new to VMS from the system mgt side and was looking to build a "starters guide" to building a vms system for beginners. He suggested I look at the log from his build for you to learn the steps and see what I missed and then roll that into a "checklist" style guide to help get hobbyists going faster.
Thanks and hope you are settling in well over there in beruit.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:46 AM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 2 Jan 2013, at 21:38, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
Anyway, I assume CTERM isn't the best way to transfer files.
Not really the point :) It's just that CTERM "felt" slower, I wanted to quantify so Kermit seemed handy.
But I do in fact use Kermit as my default telnet client on my MBP, in case I just wanna do some quick ad-hoc transfers.
sampsa
<Paul_Koning at Dell.com> writes:
On Feb 10, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Anyone have a copy of this? Is it DECNETtable?
On the second question: definitely. VaxELN is the OS used to implement
the= LPS40 PostScript printer, which was connected via DECnet.
...and PrintServer17.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
There were several options; a 2,5" SCSI disk, a 3,5" SCSI disk and a 2,5" IDE disk.
What I've found out with my Multias is that it is not recommended to use an internal drive at all, because of the additional heat it produces. The enclosure is not very well designed for sufficient cooling and therefore it is best to try to minimize the heat load in every possible way.
An external SCSI disk or enclosure with disks (such as a BA353) works fine.
Kari
On 11.2.2013 10:20, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Did you write IDE disk for a Multia?
ISTR it used a 2.5" scsi drive.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 00:03:10
To: <hecnet at update.uu.se>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
also, for the drive, let the machine off but plugged into a socket for
24 hours, maybe needs to energize, I notice today with the multia, and
before with the vax, that they need enough charge on the batteries to
function
anyhow, that's how the isa corrupted message went off after a while,
so that issue is solved, not so for the ide hard disk, that one i
think is fried, still keeps appearing and disappearing
On 2/10/13, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
I have been using barracuda plain scsi-1, external, they are small but
run decent for everything (probably except windoze, never tried to run
it on scsi on alpha.) All three were barracuda, I lost one machine
(the miata, without counting a number of VAX, those have been dying
faster, I'm down to "one" now,) but not the drives.
The noise points to a bad drive, (hopefully not controller,) on linux
boxes, pc and pc server hardware, I have had a lot of disk failures,
sparc, sgi, hp9000 and ibm 6000 are built way better, hardly never
fail, consider that those alpha (and the small drives they came with,)
are now going to be 20 year old in a few months, the VAX is heading
for thirty, in so I expect those old drives to fail sooner or later, I
used to buy them by the lot, and still have boxes of small ones.
I'm more worried when the machines fail, those are hard to replace,
and parts may be really hard to find (like a multia floppy or internal
ide.) Probably is time to image all those drives, and if worse comes
to worse, run on stromasys or simh for the vax.
cheers,
daniel
;-)
On 2/10/13, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Found the hidden culprit.... The hard drive started making noises that I
normally hear from a blender.
The multia booted fine when I set it to mop boot without any local disk
(slow but worked).
So next weekend I'll remove (or replace )the drive and do the fan upgrade
everyone recommends.
Anyone know of any possible replacement scsi drives for multia's???
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:39 PM, "Dan B" <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
keep it in a cold place, the number one cause of death for multia is
processor overheating, it does not suffer cold, but fries processors
in the heat
On 2/10/13, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh gee what a picky machine....
It wasn't lighting up the flat panel monitor from SRM console.
Switched it to the same old CRT monitor I use with the DEC 3000 (only
monitor with RGB inputs)
and its displaying...
Damn thing is ACTUALLY booting off its little disk that I installed vms
on
directly via the DEC 3000.
Now just have to convo boot the damn thing to fix its HOME server for
system
disks (node name and addresses changed when I connected to HECnet).
wish me luck...
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:42:08 +0200
From: uusimaki at exdecfinland.org
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
Are you sure that nothing has changed on your setup since you booted
the
Multia successfully?
Any parameter? Anything of the HW?
On 10.2.2013 21:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
Yes I hooked up the vms install CDROM to the multia to boot and used
the
boot procedure with floppy and it pretty much stalls after the
"starting
bootstrap ..."message.
took the HD from the dec3000 with the image of the vms install disk
and
tried to boot from it with same results.
Bought a new (and expensive) floppy for it and same results.
Can flip to ARC and SRM consoles ok (not tried to boot under arc as I
don't have win nt.)
---------
Just booted back up and it was at ARC console so I switched it over
to
SRM and power cycled it and now it's not powering the monitor.
Will have to find my serial cable and try to switch it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:06 AM, "Kari Uusim ki"
<uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
wrote:
Do you have any chance to test booting from a directly connected
SCSI
CD-ROM or a disk?
Kari
On 10.2.2013 0:58, Michael Holmes wrote:
Forgive me if this is off topic, but I was reading about the fixes
to
the VAXStation 4000 regarding chips.
I bought a multia several years back and I think it sucommed to
being
moved to and from Germany and the States too many times.
I had it booting as a satelite off a DEC 3000 just fine, until this
last
move.
I thought the battery had died and replaced it. (dead battery
prevents
the bios from coming up)
I get the SRM console and i'd get MOP load message on the DEC 3000
but
the MULTIA just hangs after message about bootstrapping.
I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on the MB and
was
wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be used to fix the
MULTIA.
thanks
Mike
